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  • #214967
    Christy
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    It’s been about two months give or take since my unexpected ego death (what is time anyway?) and I’m adjusting. In case you haven’t read my other post the short version is that I asked myself who I was and realized I was no one. “My” life has changed a lot on the inside since then and it helps to post about it. Like last time I am posting the disclaimer that I do not believe that I am in any way special. “Enlightenment” is simply realizing that there is no self and that the self never was. I do seem more “connected” to things than I used to be but for the most part I’m just an ordinary person, very, very ordinary.

    Having grown up in the 80’s I remember all the uproar over the game Dungeons and Dragons and how people said that those who played it would end up believing that they were their character. This never actually happened but it’s a good analogy for how I now view people. They believe they are the character that they play. It’s like it’s all just one big movie or play and everyone has their lines to say and scenes to play out but when they say these lines and play out the scenes they believe with all their heart that they are in fact the characters they are playing. The company I work for is still doing poorly and upper management believes they can control the situation. If they tell people the right things, hide the right information, tell that information to the right people they can control the situation and steer the ship where they want. Control is an illusion. The universe is in control and if it wants the company to continue on it will and if not then it will not. It’s as simple as that. Try to control things all you like, you might as well be trying to control the weather.

    I no longer feel the need to “do” anything either. Yes, there are things that I do but not because “I” feel I must. I obviously still get up and go to work, I still walk my dog, I still wash the dishes after dinner but I no longer feel a pull to do something because “it’s better than doing nothing.” So far this weekend all I have done is run to the grocery store. I have felt no need to do anything for the sake of doing it. I’m much calmer as a result. I am not in control of my life because there is no me. Last weekend I did go out. I went to a local mall and sat on a bench. I watched all the people go by all having a destination in mind. I had none. I was amazed by just how much this universe put together and how all these people were me and how I was them. I was the bench I was sitting on. I was the ceiling above me. It was very peaceful.

    All my life the idea of losing my identity scared the crap out of me. I would rather have died than be without it. Now I never want to go back to believing there is a “me.”

     

     

     

    #215097
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Christy:

    Can you define “ego” for me, one or two sentences?

    anita

    #215167
    Christy
    Participant

    Ego is the sense of self, the “I” or the “me.” It is what makes us think we are separate from everyone and everything and it is the little voice that narrates our day from the time we get up until the time we go to bed.

    Yes I still have one of those but I recognize that it is not who I am.

    #215269
    Peter
    Participant

    Every moment, infinity small, infinity large, every breath we take is a death and rebirth 🙂  every breath every moment a reincarnation.

    The ego has its role to play in consciousness and easy to mistake for the self and in charge.

    “What had the experience”, “I had the experience”… But the I does not exist – other then a construct of language, there is only the present experience.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 9 months ago by Peter.
    #215337
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Christy:

    In your previous thread you wrote: “Who am I?… I am not my beliefs.. not my hobbies.. not my job.. not my political affiliations..” As a result of your ego death, as you got used to “being ‘no one'”, “every aspect of (your) life had suddenly changed”.

    I agree with you that we are not our beliefs (or our hobbies, job, etc.) in the sense that we were not born with those things. Our core beliefs are what we absorbed from our childhood environment, a result of our early interactions with our parents, primarily.

    What you are expressing in your threads is that your beliefs, including core beliefs,  are now void, dead with the ego and that it happened during a quick spiritual event, an “ego death”. It is fascinating to me.

    I do hope you post again. I would like to read more and more from you.

    anita

     

    #215415
    Peter
    Participant

    Responding to the topic of ego death

    Coming to the realization that “I am not my beliefs” does not necessary mean one’s beliefs are void or that one is indifferent to them, only that one understands them for what they are and so not attached to them.  This form of non-attachment creates space where one no longer experience anxiety when a ‘belief’ is challenged, which they will be. By non-attachment one can confront the present moment experience that may contradict the belief without danger to ones ‘identity’ and doing so learn and grow.

    Associating and attaching one sense identity with one’s beliefs often leads to depression and or fanaticism. For example, if I am my ego, I am my beliefs this “I” is unlikely to be able to tolerate those beliefs being questioned as doing so puts in question my identity. This such a “I” cannot allow and so “I” will force everyone (and my self) to adhere to my beliefs… even if they no longer match my experiences. (I am divided and divided unhappy)

    Allowing the belief that “I am my ego” to “die” (which is what the ego wants but also fears) one is better able to enter into the experience and “be” in the moment. (vice the past – future)

    #215427
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * Dear Peter: I appreciate your input. I will be re-reading your post above tomorrow morning and would like to reply shortly to it tomorrow. I hope to read from Christy as well, of course.

    anita

    #215437
    Christy
    Participant

    I agree with what Peter said. When you believe you are your ego you are very rigid in your thinking. For example here in the US right now politics is a hot button topic. Politicians on both side of the fence are often caught doing wrong but their supporters will continue to support them anyway because they identify as their political party. If they were to change their stance their sense of self would be threatened.

    Being no one means not adhering to any labels. I may have politicians that I consider better candidates but if they are found doing wrong it is very easy for me to say “I do not support that and by default I no longer support them.” This leads to rational decision making rather than letting my need to be someone dictate my choices. I also do not hang out on news websites all day waiting to see “what the other side does next.” as there is no “other side” for me because I do not adhere strictly to one side or the other.

    I no longer identify as anything. I still go to the movies from time to time but I am not a “movie goer.” If I want I can watch a sporting event but that does not make me a “sports fan.” I can prepare a meal without being a “cook.” I still have beliefs but I do not identify with them as Peter said. I still have wants but I don’t NEED to have them fulfilled. For instance if I go out to eat I might want to eat at X place but others might want to eat at Y place. If I do not get what I want and end up at Y place, that’s just as well as ending up at X place. Before ego death I might have said “but I like X place better and now I have to go to Y place, it’s not fair!” What’s not fair? An experience is an experience.

    We love to both put labels on things and identify with those labels. Do you repair cars? You’re a “mechanic.” “Do you read a lot of books? You’re a “book worm.” Then we identify with those labels. “I read a lot of books so I must be a book worm.” this leads to “All the other book worms are reading THIS book. I have no interest but I must read that book too or I’m not a book worm.” You now must read a book you have no interest in as your identity demands it. This leads to misery.

    The day of my ego death started like any other. I was “Christy” I knew who Christy was or at least I thought I did. I had to adhere to all the beliefs of Christy. If another challenged those beliefs I had to defend them. Then in a blink of an eye all that was gone. At first I was terrified. I had no idea what had just happened and if not for an internet search done after the fact I still would not know. However as I get used to my new way of being I’m a lot more happy and at peace now than I ever was before. In my opinion ego is poison.

     

    #215455
    Peter
    Participant

    What a interesting experience to have before “knowing” what it was all about and understandable terrifying. It reminds me of something Jung said about it taking a strong and healthy ego to allow it die. Its a interesting thought and I suppose that the week ego only pretends to die danger and instead attaches itself to the belief that all (including the I) is meaningless and empty void. Indifference vice non-attachment

    For myself I no longer link of the ego as poison or something that has to be overcome but as a useful go between the conscious and unconscious, a necessity of language that allows for contemplation and sharing of experience.  Its very difficult to communicate with others or ourselves without using or thinking the word I even as we know “I am not I” (I am) just as “I am not my body” but I like having a body… its useful. But sometimes I forget 🙂

    #215501
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Christy:

    Thank you for your threads, it is a learning experience for me, therefore I hope this thread stays active for a long time. (Thank you Peter, again, for your input, it is helpful to my understanding).

    This is what I understand at this point about the term “ego death”-

    Death is the permanent ending of something (by definition). Ego is the attachment one has to  beliefs that are not objectively true.

    Ego death then is the permanent ending of one’s unquestioned attachment to one’s beliefs that are not objectively true.

    This means that the beliefs that are not objectively true still exist in one’s brain and sometimes a person feels attached to them, but the attachment is no longer of the unquestioned kind. It has been questioned and a space has been created between the beliefs and the self (who I was before I believed what is not objectively true and who I am when not believing in what is not objectively true), a space of calm, and so the person already has the calm experience of that space and can return to it.

    Do you agree with my understanding?

    “The day of my ego death started like any other. I was ‘Christy’. I knew who Christy was.. I had to adhere to all the beliefs of Christy. If another challenged those beliefs I had to defend them. Then in a blink of an eye all that was gone.. It’s been about two months.. since my unexpected ego death”.

    I wonder, Christy,  how ego death has affected how you view your parents, if you’d like to share?

    anita

    #215915
    Christy
    Participant

    Yes beliefs that are not objectively true still exist but if they are challenged I no longer get upset about it. For instance let’s say that two people where I work have put in for the same job opening. I might feel that one of these people would be better suited for the job. In my mind I have a list of reasons why this person should get the job. However I also realize that others have their own beliefs on what is true. They might think the other person is better for the job. Before I reached a state of ego death I might believe that my reasoning is beyond challenge and that it is the absolute truth that the person I want to get the job is the better candidate for it. However now I know that my “truth” in that situation is objective and so not infallible. If the person I did not want to get the job got it anyway I would not be angry even if I were the one who put in for the job and did not get it.

    Most people have a set of beliefs they think are unquestionable truths but there are very few if any unquestionable truths. For instance most people would not argue that the sky is blue and would say that is the truth but it’s only blue because we all agree that it is. If we all agreed that the sky was green then it would be, regardless of what our sense of sight told us. We would perceive what we now call “blue” as “green” instead. Almost everything is a matter of perception. When we think our “truth” is the absolute truth it causes problems but when we see that our truth is a matter of perception it’s easy to let others who disagree go on with their lives without getting angry at them. They simply don’t perceive things the way we do.

    As for my parents both of them are gone now but growing up with them was not easy. Both my parents had issues and my mother had some very serious issues and would lash out badly at times. For years I harbored anger against her but I no longer do. Not only can I look and see what she went though that made her that way and find compassion as a result but I also recognize that I am everything and everything is me. I could not have been a victim of my mother as it is impossible to be a victim of yourself. I have forgiven her.

    As for what Peter was saying “I” did latch on to “everything is meaningless” for several days after my ego death. It took a little while to recognize that, that was my egos attempt to reestablish an identity around life being pointless. For the first couple of days I walked around with a blank look on my face saying very little and caring even less. I’m glad that’s over 🙂 You are also right about ego being a tool. I guess I see it as a poison because when I look back I can see just how many times I made mistakes or made an ass out of myself because my ego was in control. I’ll have to ponder about the ego a bit. 🙂

     

     

    #215939
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Christy:

    I like your example of two people applying to the same job, your non attachment to your own belief of who is better for the job, and therefore experiencing calm regardless of who is chosen for the job.

    You wrote, “Almost everything is a matter of perception”. Is there anything that is not a matter of perception?

    Thank you for answering my question about your parents. You wrote that you couldn’t be a victim of your mother because you can’t be a victim of yourself. I didn’t understand. Hope you can explain this to me.

    anita

    #216029
    Peter
    Participant

    Assuming this thread is open dialog

    I found my reaction to this statement personally interesting: “Death is the permanent ending of something”

    I do and don’t tend to view death in this way. I mean with regards to personal consciousness maybe but organically no.  Objectively Death is a transition, not a permanent end, just an end of one state into another. Atoms and molecules breaking down and reforming, never resting, always in motion, even when our motion stops, or our awareness of our motion stops. And symbolically the word death is always associated with transition, an end but also a beginning.

    Not sure where I’m going with that, just though it was interesting… Perhaps my feeling that when we let the ego die its more of a transformation? Perhaps that is a permanent ending…yet is it not true that a part of what dies always feeds what come next

    #216045
    Christy
    Participant

    Anita: Is there anything that isn’t a matter of perception? That we are all one being. Others might disagree with me but as far as I can tell we are all one being under the illusion that we are separate entities. That is why I say I can not blame my mother because my mother was me. This goes for everything. I am you and you are me. You are also the chair you’re sitting on and the monitor you’re looking into. You are everything. Maybe there are other truths too or maybe others will disagree with my views. I would love to tell you that I’m the all knowing all powerful Whatever but I would be lying to you if I said that. 🙂

    Peter: I consider this thread to be open dialog. I started it just to post my feelings on things. I actually never expected this many replies. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that you have also experienced ego death. Were you looking for it or did it hit you on the head like a bolt of lightening like it did to me? As for ego death I do think it’s more of a transformation. I say ego death but I still have an ego. I just don’t let it into the drivers seat anymore. It does seem to be getting smaller with time although it’s only been a couple of months. Yet it is still there and I must keep watch on it lest it try to create a new identity. I’m happy being no one.

    #216089
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Christy:

    The power of words. I think I understand what you mean by the word perception, as well as by the term ego death. I appreciate your posts and will continue to read. I hope you post again and again, maybe give updates anytime you’d like as to the aftermath of your ego death. I hope to read other members’ input as well.

    anita

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