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April 22, 2017 at 8:55 am #146267ChauParticipant
Hi Anita and ll
I decided to continue my journey with a new topic, I have a feeling that the story in last year has ended. It has created me as who i am now, however, i think it’s time to start a new page
If you are interested in knowing the background, you can read the following post:
http://tinybuddha.com/topic/moving-on-anger-management-and-sense-of-security/page/5/
In short, my girlfriend cheated on me with my very good friend(all parties here are girls), and i was very confused and depressed for a considerable amount of time, wondering if i at all had emotionally neglected or abused my girlfriend, which drove her to do that, and my worldview was shattered, if two closest people on earth could lie to me like this, who was there to trust.
I came a long way, to realize and gain something positive out of it.
My life has been great now, I am now trying to see someone new, i am seeing relationship in a totally new light, i began to take my time and slowly get to talk to this person, understand what kind of person she really is, whether the things she is looking in life/relationship matches mine, and i surprised myself by saying to my friend that’ even if two people like each other, it doesn’t mean they should get together’, it’s just totally different from how i was before the incidence.
Things seems to be ok, we dated a couple of times and it seems that everything is going on well.
But a few days ago my ex txted me, i felt a surge of emotions immediately.
She txted me a few times in that 30 mins period, asking me how i was, and said she wanted to return the things that i left in her house since she was moving to somewhere else soon. To my surprise my emotions died down very soon, I think i was just very shocked that she txted me.
Two days later i replied her, saying she could just leave her things at the reception of her or my building, and i will pick them up. Or simply throw my things again.
I thought I was clear in a sense that I didn’t want to meet up with her, yet she came back with a message asking me to meet and have coffee.
I felt really confused as she said this. On one hand I think I really don’t want this person to jeopardize anything that i have built after the break up. It took me so much effort to come back here, yet deep down i did consider meeting up with her, I think i might still be doubting if i have done anything wrong in this relationship, and that if I rejected her or was aloof to her, she might feel hurt or upset.
I guess i was also feeling a bit lonely and i did miss the time when she cared for me so much, as if i were the whole world to her.
I have ignored her message since she txted, but am still confused as if something was hanging in the air.
Advice?
I guess for the time being I am still letting it hand there, just keep on ignoring
Hope everyone is having a peace of mind
take care.
Chau
April 22, 2017 at 9:35 am #146291AnonymousGuestDear Chau:
Congratulations on your New Page of Life.
Notice how when we do start a new page, the old page creeps in… It is nothing unusual really, but the very nature of starting a new page: some of the writings in the old pages find their way in.
The old writings that found their way in are:
After she texted you, you , “felt a surge of emotions immediately” Then when she ignored your clear choice to not meet with her for your things, you “felt really confused as she said this” (confused, like before)..then you started “doubting if i have done anything wrong in this relationship, and that if I rejected her or was aloof to her, she might feel hurt or upset.” and you missed “the time when she cared for me so much, as if i were the whole world to her.”- these are all old writings inserting themselves into the new page.
Here are the New Writings: you didn’t reply to her text for two days, then you replied that she can “leave her things at the reception of her or my building” (excellent!) . And then “for the time being I am still letting it hand there, just keep on ignoring”- excellent, again.
I am not surprised the old writings are here- our neuropathways do not disappear or become undone and deleted when we start a new page. When we do start a new page we have new neuropathways that make a significant difference in how we function in life. The new pathways “created me as who i am now”- wiser. And you can continue to choose new behavior to fit this New Page.
Focus on new behaviors as you evaluate old and new thoughts and feelings. I think it would be wise for you to repeat your suggestion that she leaves the belongings in the reception of a building, or throw them away. And if she insists on meeting with you, do not meet with her. It will not be congruent with your New Page of Life.
What do you think?
anita
April 24, 2017 at 7:47 pm #146599ChauParticipantDear Anita
Thanks for replying, as always
I haven’t replied her yet, i sense that I feel a bit angry because she is trying to cross my line, since for me I was quite deliberate and clear, yet she was still asking to meet up, which for me, she is not listening.
I guess not replying will be the respond that I have for her.
I think you are right Anita, old habit still creeps in when things like this happen, it has reminded of the old way of thinking and doing, just by seeing her profile picture makes me think of a lot of things that happened in the past, those that I think are not even relevant to my life now.
I have established new habits and a lot of new friends, who all seem to be contributing positively to my life now. I have a group of new friends who run regularly with me, I have this newly met date, and of course I have all the friends who have been with me for years.
I was just thinking since I was so emotional at the time that I read her message, and that i was a bit bothered afterwards, does that mean i still have some lingering shadow that i need to deal with.
But I guess the way that I am coping with it is, just put down all the things that makes me feel negative(interacting with her included), and just leave it like that and see how it goes.
Don’t know if that makes sense, but I guess I just don’t want these unnecessary negativity in my life. I am quite committed my own happiness and not falling into that depressive mode anymore again.
Thanks Anita, always feel warm when talking to you
Take care
Chau
April 24, 2017 at 8:07 pm #146603AnonymousGuestDear Chau:
You are welcome and thank you for your kind words- they brought a smile to my face.
You wrote: “I was just thinking since I was so emotional at the time that I read her message, and that i was a bit bothered afterwards, does that mean i still have some lingering shadow that i need to deal with.”-
No, it does not mean you have to deal with it, that is to do anything regarding your ex, other than nothing at all.
The reason you felt what you felt (and may feel yet again) is because your past experience with your ex is recorded in your brain in the form of neuropathways. Thoughts and feelings are intertwined in those pathways.
We shed our skin cells but we don’t shed our brain cells. This is why your ex is still there. Over time, more time, these pathways will weaken more and more, until some memories will remain and hardly any emotions, if at all.
I do hope you continue to not see her and have no contact with her. You have been making such great progress (new neuropathways with new experiences, and more to come). There is nothing good to come from going backward.
I remember that following your South America trip, you came back home in great physical shape. And you continue to keep in shape with new friends, excellent.
anita
April 24, 2017 at 11:25 pm #146609ChauParticipantHi Anita
good to see your reply.
You have reminded me of how i feel when my other old wounds were heal. I remember some of things that happened when i broke up with my first love, the way that I lingered and the tears that were shed, yet i don’t feel anything when i recall these now.
I guess as time goes by, that feeling will be the same as the feeling i will have for this current ex.
I have even struggled for a while on whether to reply her first message, i can’t rule out the possibility that she meant good and was trying to return things.
but as she asked me to go out, my first reaction was ‘why are you asking me out instead?”
I realized the gut respond was usually most truthful to the heart. A lot of times when we second think , we complicate our mind and what you truly want and think are shadowed by thoughts that come after. So i better stick to my originally feelings.
Thanks for remembering my south america trip, I have always been very athletic yet in last year, i almost didn’t run or hike at all, all the energy was drained by those depressive episodes. I have even signed up for my very first full marathon, so me and my friends are all together working for it.
This south america trip has also taught me to distinguish some good anxiousness vs not as good anxiousness.
I realize when i was pondering on a decision, to do or not to do, if my gut feeling tells me that it would be a good thing to do and it will be fruitful in the end despite how hard the journey may seem, this kind of nervousness is ‘good’, and that i would just push myself to do it instead of think further on it, although the idea sounds scary at first. This full marathon is one of them. Going into the wilderness of Patagonia when i was in south america was one of them, in fact, going to south america alone is also one of them.
and every single time, making a decision based on this is always always right. once i have completed it, i feel so proud of myself, that i can take care of myself and i have created good memory that pushes me forward.
Interesting to note how easy it sounds now, but half a year ago, i was just so hopeless and helpless.
so i guess it’s good that i record it here, so that i won’t lost track anymore
Thanks Anita, good night on your side of the world!
Chau
April 25, 2017 at 11:51 am #146701AnonymousGuestDear Chau:
You read so reasonable. Regarding your ex’s intent, does it matter? Your job is to take care of yourself best you can. Your intent matters. Your mental well being, for one, is way, way… way more important than the return of things. Her suggestion to meet you has nothing to do with returning your things.
I agree that like your first love, this recent relationship will be remembered without emotions. Not having contact with your ex is important for this goal, and will make the… neutralizing of your feelings regarding her happen sooner than later.
I like your growing trust in your feelings, a trust that is proving to be worthy of trust. Good!
Till your next post, be good to you, best you can- it is your job!
anita
May 1, 2017 at 9:22 am #147509ChauParticipantHi Anita
Thanks for your kind words.
I realized i fluctuate quite a bit after i decided to just ignore the message.
I still didn’t reply , i wanted to at some point, and i even typed out something, but i didn’t send it out in the end.
I was so bothered that I unblocked her today, and checked on her facebook, I finally realized why.
I saw that she seemed to be all very well, i guess much better than the time when we were together, our relationship seemed to be quite a toxic one anyways. When i found that she was all well and txted me, i realized probably i have assumed that something happened, possibly something bad happened, that she wanted to reach out and find me, and that she needed help. or may be she has broken up with my ex-friend, and that she just came to find me, or may be she misses me? i don’t even know, anyhow, i catastrophized that bad things happened and that I didn’t know what and how to deal with it. and i probably felt guilty about it as well, for not replying. and may be i am missing out on someone who still had a chance with me to recitify the wrongdoing?
and i was bothered for so long
and now I think may be she…wants to be friends or something? while she is all well and strong, and possibly still with my friend, she wants to be friends with me? i really doubt if she has considered whether it’s appropriate and whether i was ready, all this terrible thing that happened, it’s more like she feels like she was ready so she reached out, while she didn’t realize the magnitude of the damage that she has done.
I was looking at her picture, but all i felt was everything other than love. I mean when you look someone you love, a warm feeling comes naturally from your heart, you see her smile and you would smile. But when i look her new pictures, all i felt were negative feelings such as envy? distrusting, anger etc. they aren’t positive at all, which clearly tells me that i shouldn’t get in touch with her.
I guess her intent, as you said, is totally irrelevant, but for some reason my well-being was bothered by her intent.
I don’t know why, i think there is something inside me that is still disorganized or unclear about it, that i would allow this to bother me for so long.
it even made me want to withdraw from my new date.
I don’t know if it makes sense but i guess it fluctuates?
Thanks for reading Anita,
best
Chau
May 1, 2017 at 10:15 am #147529AnonymousGuestDear Chau:
The feelings you had when you looked at her picture are evidence that indeed it is a bad idea to have her in your life in any capacity.
The old feelings: the guilt about causing her to cheat on you, the longing before the distrust, the desire to have the wrong corrected… all those feelings still exist, but your newer understanding is there as well, and so, you choose how to proceed so to benefit your own well being.
Turn away from her, from any contact with her, best you can. Move forward, away from her. Leave her in the past, best you can.
anita
May 1, 2017 at 6:48 pm #147621ChauParticipantDear Anita
Thanks.
I think after a night’s sleep i get better.
probably I have building up some tension inside me that i didn’t really realized, to a point that i felt a bit overwhelmed.
the old feelings are very deep i could sense, yet the new ones are not too strong in way.
but I will try to stabilize myself, and continue to choose and establish the new way
Thanks Anita, have a good night on your side
Chau
May 1, 2017 at 7:45 pm #147633AnonymousGuestDear Chau:
You are welcome and thank you for your good night wish (in an hour, for me).
Tension building without noticing- happens most often, to maybe most people. It is therefore important to notice, or pay attention, aka being mindful and notice when you start getting tense, maybe your muscles are tight, maybe your breathing is shallow… notice where you get tense, and then do something to relieve that tension, anything from a short walk, a yoga stretch, focusing on the sounds around you, etc.
When we are tense, not calm, old pathways are activated. Calm is where new pathways thrive.
anita
June 26, 2017 at 9:39 pm #155204ChauParticipanthi anita and all
how are you? hope everything is fine =)
kind of becomes and habit that i update here, hope its ok to occupy some airtime from time to time
recently i have become quite close to someone, we always have a very light hearted, supportive conversation and i really enjoy her company. i never imagine myself being able to develeop feelings for someone who is 8 years younger than i am, but she surprised me on her maturity.
but not until recently did we talk about our relationship, she wanted to remain friends while i have told her i developed my liking and attachment on her. i appreciate the honesty and i also am happy that at least i got an answer for my question.
its been two weeks since we talked about it. she did ask if i want to adjust how we interacted, we basically txt everyday still, sometime more, sometime less depending on the day. i couldnt have a conclusion at the time and i kind of wanted to see how i would feel afterwards before any adjustment is made. but recently i feel the urge to cut the tie, primarily to cut off the attachment for her. for me, i dont txt a fd everyday, updating myself and each other’s life on a daily basis. i do want to recalibrate the relationship, i feel like she would be a good fd, if i could adjust the feeling.
but as i am preparing to initiate the conversation, i feel the insecurity bubbling, may be deep down i am afraid of losing it all, well, while i havent even got it.
i do doubt if this is necessary at time, but i am quite sure this is insecurity talking to me. and so as i think ahead, i am thinking what i need to do to prepare myself.
i did dream of my cheating ex, and kept thinking of reaching out to her these days, i think i am scared of losing this tie with this person would make me feel lonely etc
well but u guess its quite clear to me after i type it out, i just want some insight on how to better prepare myself if you can think of any idea.
well other than that, life is good. been jogging extensively and work wise i am progessing well, proud that my project is developing well
look forward to speak to you againcheers
chauJune 27, 2017 at 3:04 am #155218ElianaParticipantHi Chau,
I think I have a different perspective. After reading your posts, you seem to be very conflicted over your ex, even dreaming about her, you also mentioned you have cut some ties off with some women that you came to care about. I think it is because you need to have some closure with your ex. I understand she cheating on you, but I think you are thinking of her because of possibly some good qualities and memories you had with her.
What could hurt just meeting her out for a quick cup of coffee? You may notice her, for who who she is today, and seeing her now, you will see that the old feelings of her have gone away. Once we have been away from an ex for awhile, it is very hard to re-capture the old flame, and chemistry. This way you will have closure, and can move on with these new women without severing ties with them, because you won’t be thinking about your ex as much. Just meet her for coffee, wish her well, tell her you have moved on and wish her happiness. Keep us posted.
June 27, 2017 at 5:54 am #155226AnonymousGuestDear Chau:
Of course it is okay for you to post here- anytime. It is a good thing to read from you and reply to you. I am spending more time in front of the computer these days following a foot injury and the resulting inability to walk- that sure rains on my parade, as my life was very physically active before the injury. It is challenging.
A key sentence in your last post, regarding considering ending the friendship with your friend: “may be deep down i am afraid of losing it all, well, while i havent even got it.”
I am thinking, as you continue to communicate with her, you might still be hoping that the friendship will develop to a love relationship, that she will change her mind. And you want to lose that hope, is that correct? As long as you hope, you get disappointed, and the loss (in the sentence I quoted) is the imagined/hoped for relationship with her.
You are doing well jogging, working, life is good, you wrote; so maybe you don’t want to lose good living, a good enough state of mind and affairs, to futile hoping.
I am not surprised your ex is still on your mind: you still long for a love relationship and you are not engaged in one, so you dream about the last one you had. When you meet an interested woman, where the interest is mutual, and a love relationship does develop, the longing for the ex will cease, I figure.
Post anytime-
anita
June 27, 2017 at 7:37 am #155234ElianaParticipantHi Anita,
I’m sorry to hear about your foot injury, and hope you feel better soon.
June 27, 2017 at 9:09 am #155256AnonymousGuest* Thank you Eliana. I appreciate your good wishes and hope you are doing well following your fall.
anita
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