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  • #110114
    James
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    Hey. I’m 30, share an apartment with a roommate, have a boring but stable job, and feel like nothing I do will ever turn out well.
    The fear of failure rears up whenever I attempt any but the most mundane tasks which, in addition to a pile of stress and anxiety, prevents me from doing activities I enjoy, going out, looking for a better job, etc. (The stress in particular has gotten very bad.)
    Intellectually, of course, I know that my fears are unfounded, but that never seems to help. The fear is almost reflexive or subconscious. It’s too deeply embedded for me to just Logic it away.

    And I’m really tired of gong to bed feeling like I wasted my day, or spending entire weekends doing nothing but pissg away time on the Internet or walks around the street with hands in my pockets, face staring down, or of having relationships be things exclusively for people who are not me.

    But mostly, I’m just tired. Not fatigued, but weary. As if every bone in my body is slowly being worn away.

    Help.

    #110139
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear James Jones:

    Your fear: you figure it is unfounded. Logically you figured it is unfounded but obviously you believe, emotionally, that it is founded.

    Would you like to share its origin: when did it start: go back as long as you can…?

    anita

    #110212
    James
    Participant

    Thanks for taking time to respond Anita. 🙂

    It’s difficult to point to any sort of starting point. If I had to pick a time I first noticed it would be around four years ago. There was a game that I was quite fond that I happened to also be very good at. However, as I got better, the expectations I put on myself got higher, until eventually the game became too stressful and I stopped playing altogether.

    That’s not the start though, that’s just the first time I can remember thinking about as a distinct thing, and I’ve done a lot of work over the past couple years on understanding myself (some of that work was even successful). Going farther back I’d have to point at college, which I flunked out of. But thinking back to that time I’m not sure if my difficulties at the time were cause of my current issues or merely a symptom of something deeper that I was not emotionally aware enough to recognize at the time.

    #110215
    Matty
    Participant

    Hi James Jones,

    I’m 30, share an apartment with a roommate, have a boring but stable job, and feel like nothing I do will ever turn out well.

    So i wrote this out a couple of times, my mind is trying to make connections tonight, just not working 😉
    I want you to know that what you are feeling is actually natural. You look at yourself in the mirror and see some 30 year old, lame person that you would rather not be. I get that, i feel like this more often than I like to admit. I look at my past and see everything differently, as if I feel that my past is inferior, that everything I did amounted to nothing. But this is incorrect. We are our own harshest critics and as a result when we look back, ‘in hindsight’ we often look back with tinted vision. What happened, is not what we see. What i’m trying to say is that age doesn’t make you more experienced, its just an number. However, we see that number and think of the social implications more often than not. Let me tell you, that no one is immune to this feeling, it is natural. What is unnatural as how many people never want to talk about it. So you are making an exceptional choice to make a stand in your life and ask yourself ‘why do i feel this way’.

    And I’m really tired of gong to bed feeling like I wasted my day, or spending entire weekends doing nothing but pissg away time on the Internet or walks around the street with hands in my pockets, face staring down, or of having relationships be things exclusively for people who are not me.

    My questions to you are these –> what’s wrong with spending day on the internet? WHat’s wrong with walking with your hands in your pocket? What’s wrong with not being in a relationship? We always, as humans tend to focus on what we want and then the reasons as to why we want are generally thrown to the wayside. If you are enjoying yourself, if you are happy then why should it bother you so much? Fear?? Fear is actually quite logical and understandable, however it is only ever in our heads. People are so afraid of dying young, they forget that we are all going to die anyway. It’s inevitable, one of the only things in human life that is guaranteed. Are you afraid that you could be doing more with your life? You say there are other things you would rather be doing, but don’t do them. Why are you afraid of not doing these things? My thoughts are that (as you stated with @anita) that you have placed heavy expectations on yourself. As a result you end up thinking you could or should be doing more. Which is actually illogical, because what you think you should be doing, might not be what you need to be doing. Do you really need more in life than what you already have? I’m not saying that you should just accept what you have now and be done. I just want you to think about the ‘whys?’ and seek understanding within yourself.

    You are caught in a paradox, you are afraid of failing, as a result you feel you could be doing more to be successful, but don’t because you fear failing.

    I believe that you fear triumph more than you fear failure, to be honest. Life is not an exam, you do not get As and Fs, it’s more like ‘i did something well’ or ‘i didn’t do so well’ neither are absolutes…that’s life. You fear success more than anything. Because if you were truly afraid of failure, then you wouldn’t be waking up and living and breathing the same air I do, you would of given up. But you are afraid of succeeding, what if i’m good at this? what if i do try something different and i’m decent at it? You played a video game that more than likely bought you joy and you were good at it. But somewhere along the way you felt that being good wasn’t good enough. You felt that success should feel different than this. SO you upped the volume, you fought harder, set the bar higher and at some point you set the bar so high, you forgot to enjoy the game. You forgot why you enjoy playing. And now…if you find that you are good at something, you fear that you will just set yourself up for failure by setting expectations too high.

    Your self-confidence is eroded because you have stopped enjoying things for what they are and are setting expectations on everything. If you aren’t on the computer, then you might be getting a partner, you might have a better job, you might feel happier. you ‘might’ do a lot of things. But why are you setting the bar so high over things that may or may not happen? You expect yourself to be extraordinary in everything you do, now you are setting yourself up with failure. We create expectations to succeed, not to fail.

    I see many people on these forums that are unhappy and lack self-confidence, the reason is because during their lifetime they felt they needed more to be happy. They needed something that gave them confidence, rather than being confident to begin with. People have confidence issues because they evaluate their age + what they own + what they feel is valuable = not enough or at the worst…. not good enough.

    Well, this is the kicker….you already know this. You are smarter for it. Live life how you want to. Not what society thinks is a good use of time. Who cares that you are 30 with a roommate. I’m 25, no job and still live at home with my parents. But i’m happy. So you have a boring job, well do something that invigorates you when you are not at work. We all work, we all need to afford things. Work is work, so leave it at that. If you don’t want to change jobs, then look for something else you could do in your down time that makes you happy. Don’t just give up because work is dull, find something that replaces that dullness. Don’t follow what other people do in order to be happy, they aren’t you! You can never be like other people, because you are you. You are unique and valued only as much as you value and see yourself as unique!

    What is success? Everyone has a different answer, everyone has a different way of attaining success. So what does it mean to you? Maybe you will be 50 years old when you find love, but guess what….you still succeeded. Maybe you will be 43 years old when you find a passion you enjoy that completes you….you still will succeed. I always remember the movie “SEEKING A FRIEND FOR THE END OF THE WORLD”, a brilliant movie. Steve Carrel’s character finally finds love in the final days of the world. His romance lasts no more than a couple of days. But in that couple of days he achieve’s more happiness than he has ever felt. What makes the moment special, is that it’s not how long it lasts, it’s not how successful he is….it’s that it happens to begin with. Don’t let time dictate success, be happy when it comes to you whenever. You are trying to achieve success by measuring how long you will be able to embrace that success. In the end you set expectations to achieve certain things by certain times to be able to enjoy your success more. And when you don’t reach your goals, you deem yourself a failure. But you forget to see what you achieved up until this point.

    My final thought is this –> Do you want to keep failing yourself for the rest of your life?

    I hope this helps, if you have any comments or questions, please continue this thread 🙂
    MAtty

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 9 months ago by Matty.
    #110241
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear James Jones:

    About the game, you wrote: “as I got better, the expectations I put on myself got higher”-

    What were your parents’ expectations of you when you were a child?

    When you did well in school or performed a task well at home, how did your mother/ father (either or both) treat you? How did they respond to your successes at school or at home?

    anita

    #110467
    James
    Participant

    @Matty
    Hey, thank you for your reply. I should probably respond at a time when I’m not really tired, but it’s late so I’ll be brief. What really troubles me lately is how instinctive the fear has become. Whenever I consider any activity that involves other people (unless limited to a small group of close friends) I feel the vice around my chest and my muscles tense up (they’ve also started uncontrollably twitching at times, which I think is stress buildup). Not just a little either, the pressure is overwhelming, and only grows if I don’t back down. But there’s no thought associated with it, it’s all subconscious. Which is troublesome. I’m trying to fight back against it, but there’s nothing to fight against.


    @Anita

    Both parents were always pleased when I did well, which makes sense I guess? What sticks in my head the most (that is, that I can remember from so long ago) was that they always told me that as long as I did my best I had nothing to be ashamed of.
    But I don’t feel like I’ve been doing my best and giving my all. I haven’t felt that way in a long time.

    #110498
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear James Jones:

    The message you were given by your parents was “as long as you do your best, you have nothing to be ashamed of.”

    This means AS LONG as you do your best… but the moment you don’t, your shame is valid.

    Doesn’t it mean you have to be very careful to always do your best, be on your toes, because the moment there is a slipup, the moment you RELAX, is the moment of danger, of deserved shame?

    So was/ is the expectation of you by your parent/s – and consequently by you- that you perform perfectly, always at Best level and nothing less is acceptable?

    anita

    #110557
    James
    Participant

    I … suppose it could be looked at like that. It’s feels awkward to say that though, like I’m pointing my finger at my parents and trying to blame the, for everything. But I suppose there may be some truth in there. I remember asking myself once, “what is the difference between doing something Properly and doing it Perfectly?” and being unable to find an answer (and feeling, of course, that if you’re something you care about you do it properly).

    But I don’t know how that helps. I still feel like I’m fighting my subconscious and have no idea how to proceed. I still feel terrified of other people’s opinion of me while at the same time occasionally feel very lonely.

    #110572
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear James:

    About feeling awkward about blaming your parents- my goal is only to promote seeing the truth for what it is because seeing it will help your mental health. Seeing the truth for what it is will heal you. If you don’t – nothing will.

    It is necessary to look at what messages your parents gave you so to understand the messages that still run you, that subconscious you referred to. These messages that run your life (and not to your advantage!)- are the same messages given to you by your parents. This is so because you were not born with messages. Your brain was a clean slate. Then came the messages by the most important people in your life, those who handled you when your brain was forming.

    You wrote a couple of posts back: “Whenever I consider any activity that involves other people… I feel the vice around my chest and my muscles tense up (they’ve also started uncontrollably twitching at times, which I think is stress buildup). Not just a little either, the pressure is overwhelming, and only grows if I don’t back down. But there’s no thought associated with it, it’s all subconscious. Which is troublesome. I’m trying to fight back against it, but there’s nothing to fight against.”

    This is what I understand from this paragraph, and let me know if I am correct or where I am not correct:

    When you consider an activity- other than the most mundane, the messages activated in your brain automatically (without “hearing” the words) are: “You are not going to do it right. You are going to mess up. You are going to fail. It is going to be terrible, failing. Danger!” Following that message, you experience the fear: your muscles tense up, you twitch, you feel pressure in your chest, a growing pressure.

    There is no way to fight it. It is like having a child who is scared of doing a particular thing. If you tell the child: stop being scared! Just do it! – that won’t be effective. The child is still scared, feeling in danger, and the child will not calm down until you back down and NOT make him do what scares him.

    What will work- over time- is “hearing” the messages, noticing the words, the origin of the messages (your parents), examining them for truth, learning.. The best place to do this is with a competent, caring therapist. I think Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) with Mindfulness will do.

    What do you think?

    anita

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