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  • #93935
    dfh
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    Hi there,
    I posted here several months back about my friend that I like and here I am again with the same dilemma just with a slight change. I’ve known this girl for over a year now, we’ve actually worked together for longer than that I just never said much to her because of the people/boyfriends she hung out with weren’t the type of people I relate to or hang out with/want to associate with. She initiated talking to me and we clicked. I was hesitant at first because I’ve had a history of people taking advantage of me and using me for their personal gain then leaving. But, I slowly opened up and found out we had a lot in common, were on the same page about a lot of views and we get along really well. She has a 3 year old son that is very hyperactive and is a handful to say the least. She’s caring, intelligent, understanding, attractive, and is just a beautiful person in and out. I’m 33 and she turned 25 in December, so I am amazed at how much we do click. I understand that age doesn’t matter much in terms of intelligence or life experiences, but she’s almost my opposite but yet we get along together really well.
    Unfortunately for me, she doesn’t want to date mainly because of her past with previous relationships and how they treated her, she’s given up on it and says she just wants to focus on herself and her son for now, which I respect fully. In the other breath though, she has encounters with a couple of different guys to fulfill her sexual needs and then they disappear until she calls them again. This I don’t necessarily agree with, but she is her own person and that is her choice to do so.

    A couple of weeks ago I had a conversation with her about my feelings towards her. She said she already knew I liked her, and so I replied it’s a moot point because she doesn’t want to date and I respect that. I regret this conversation because I felt that we didn’t need to have it, we were friends and that was that and I accepted that. It doesn’t stop me from feeling the way I do about her though and that’s what’s frustrating. How can an amazing woman shut down like that? I’m a decent guy, yes I have my flaws like everyone, but I respect women, and I want to know more about her and hang out with her and her son more, and there’s no ulterior motive here, either. If more becomes between the two of us then it will happen naturally. Since the conversation it feels like it was left unfinished, like we needed to continue and resolve it, but we haven’t. We both have been busy and I now have 3 jobs so it makes it almost impossible to talk to her like I used to. Before all of this we were hanging out at least once a week and talking on the phone just about every day, and now we still talk frequently just not hanging out as much and it feels like she’s constantly saying no to me when I do ask.

    My question is, do I still hang around as “just a friend” or do I just let her go and focus on my jobs?

    #93940
    Violet
    Participant

    If you can accept that she’s not interested in or available for dating, if you can accept that she’s not interested in dating you then continue being friends. She has a lot going on and her kid is her priority. Giving the situation some space, dating other women would be a good idea for you to help with your emotion towards her.

    #93942
    dfh
    Participant

    I agree with that theory about moving on and accepting, and it does work for some people, but my situation is a little different and it’s hard to accept a friend not being in my life. Right now, and for the past 6 years, I haven’t dated anyone, I’ve been alone, I work and come home and sleep. I stopped going places because it gets old going alone. I want to experience life with someone. I eventually want a wife and kids and I think having a family would be a great thing for me. This girl is the only friend I have in the town I live in. The other two friends I do have, they live in different states, one is a few hours away, the other, a couple of days away. Up until last week, i’ve been working to pay bills and have maybe $30 a month to spend after the bare necessities. To not have her in my life, and not being able to see her son grow, that’s depressing. I don’t want to give up on her because I feel she deserves a decent guy in her life, regardless of whether it is me or not, she still deserves a good guy. I feel i’m that person, and she’s even mentioned that she’s thought about dating me, but that conversation in particular got interrupted and we never finished. I still don’t know how she feels about me, or where I stand with her in terms of being relationship material.
    I don’t date because simply no woman has shown interest in me. I have tried, and i’ve failed every time. I take this personally unfortunately because it feels like it’s because of who I am they don’t want to give me a chance.

    #93944
    Violet
    Participant

    Check on-line for activities you can do in your town that are free–like a nature club or or other meet up groups that have activities that you are interested in. This will help you to make friends with new people and to have fun at the same time. Also, there are on-line dating sites that are free that can be a good place to meet people to date. If you don’t try you won’t be able to succeed.

    If she is not ready for something and you push it or keep bringing it up, eventually you will push her away. Sometimes women need space and they also need to be with someone that they see as confident, independent, and has interesting qualities to bring to the table. In your first message you said she told you she doesn’t want to date. Give it some time, a few months, and then you revisit the conversation if you’re still interested.

    #93957
    dfh
    Participant

    Online dating doesn’t work for me. I have tried several sites and different ways of writing up a profile and I still don’t get any responses when I message any woman. Apparently I’m not a salesperson when it comes to selling myself. I’m honest. I am who I am and what you see is what you get. I don’t lie, and I’m not going to do anything I’m uncomfortable doing. I don’t sleep around, I have my own place, my own vehicle, I work 3 jobs. I’m making ends meet for myself. From my own experience, women don’t want that. Or I should say, the ones that I have attempted to ask out don’t want that.

    As for free things to do, well, I live in a very small town. The closest city is about 40 miles away in any direction. Other bigger small towns in the area are 25-30 miles away in any direction. The town I live in is about 3,000 people, mostly older people simply because after high school most kids either move closer to the city or they go off to college. Also, I’m 33, I’m too old in one group and too young for the other. The selection is very slim.

    I think she is interested in me, she just won’t commit either because she doesn’t feel she deserves that or she just doesn’t want to. I think it’s because she feels she doesn’t deserve it because of her past. And that’s sad. She deserves a great guy, someone that accepts and respects her and wants to be with her for who she is, not what she has. And that goes for anyone.

    #93963
    Dina
    Participant

    Hey dfh,

    I understand your plight and sympathize. It sounds like a very difficult situation. I know what it can be like to not have friends (I moved to a city recently). However, I think thats why its even more important for you not to date this person. Not only has she told you she is not ready to date, but dating her would leave you without friends. Perhaps she has called you less because she is concerned you are not willing to be just friends, and are not giving up on the relationship aspect. She may very well like you, but being a 25 year old working single mother is hard, and I actually applaud her for recognizing it is not the time in her life to date. She is not in the same place as you are. You want stability and a wife and kids and a family. She is trying to support her child and become a stable mother on her own. Bringing someone else in is too difficult right now and you should respect that.

    If you truly want her friendship, I would suggest calling her and telling her that you are 100% happy with the friendship and would like things to go back to the way they were. Then, you need to join meetups, sports, pretty much any kind of social activity you enjoy. Age group doesnt matter. Just get yourself active and social. I think you need some social stability in your life before you can even consider a relationship. And who knows, the more people you become friends with who do activities you enjoy, the more likely it will be to find like-minded potential women to date 🙂

    #93966
    dfh
    Participant

    If I were to do that, it feels like I’m turning my back on her and I can’t do that to her, or her son. They deserve better. I can’t give up on her. I won’t. She needs someone like myself in her life, to realize that not all guys are out to get in her pants, which is exactly what she’s had in her life. I care a lot about her and her son. They are both amazing people. I’m just a friend, I haven’t made any advances on her, nor will I, because friends don’t do that, or at least my definition of a friend doesn’t do that. Yes, it’s easier to grow fond of a friend and some end up in successful marriages, but right now, she just needs a friend. That’s why I didn’t want to bring how I feel about her up in the first place. It’s a moot point. I haven’t asked her out because I know it would be an automatic no, and I understand why she’s saying no to everyone. In the last couple of months she’s turned down almost a dozen men, so why in the world would I make my self number 13? I feel I’m smarter than that.
    I have no interests and I’m not one to start conversations simply because I don’t have much to say, and it’s even worse with women. I don’t feel like anyone is interested in me. I’m not part of the casual sex population so what do I have to offer some woman? Absolutely nothing.

    #94008
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear dfh:

    I don’t see any reason why you shouldn’t hang out with her: you obviously like her, so spend time with her as a friend.

    anita

    #94020
    dfh
    Participant

    Anita, I have offered to hang out with her a couple of times even this week, mainly to distract her son so she can get some stuff done around the house. He demands a lot of attention and it’s just her to tend to the household duties along with tending to him, so anytime I can help distract him I offer, but so far she’s said no each time I’ve asked. I can see she’s stressed about work and other personal stuff, but at the same time, one can only do so much to help another person, then it’s up to them to either help themselves or ask for help. I just wish I could do something to help.

    #94050
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear dfh:

    From what I remember from your post … was it a few months ago? as well as from this thread is that this woman is respectful of you as you are respectful of her. I like that very much and this is why I wrote above that I see no reason why you should not be friendly to her, or continue to have a friendship with her. When you asked her lately if you can help her, and she said No, it is fair for her to assert herself respectfully, that is, just say No. Now, if you would like you can ask her Why she refuses your offer to help her. You can also ask her how she feels about your offers to help. Friends share their honest feelings, whatever they are, respectfully.

    Also, in any friendship or association between two people, there are always times when the two are closer, and times when the two are farther apart from each other. Same is true in any marriage. Two individuals do not stay always close, or as close. As in anything in nature, each atom, each molecule, each anything is in constant movement, sometimes getting closer to another atom, molecule.. person, and at other times, farther apart.

    Please do post again, dfh!

    anita

    #94092
    dfh
    Participant

    Anita, I believe it was several months ago, September comes to mind but it could have been earlier, it has been going on for a while though.

    I like your perspective relating this to molecules and atoms, and I agree with that concept.

    I’m introverted and I’m constantly thinking about things and when a problem needs solving it is in my nature to not let it go until I find a solution. I feel the need to help my friends when they are in need. Even if it is just venting their frustrations or whatever, at least it helps them in a small way instead of building it up inside over time. She is no exception, so I may have pushed a little too much in asking, but my intentions are good. I think if I leave her alone for a bit she may ease up and let me visit her and her boy. It’s been nice to go over to see a friend and play with her son instead of sitting at home alone all the time. I miss it I guess.

    #94232
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear dfh:

    I believe it is wise, what you are doing, to let her be distant for a while, since it is the nature of atoms and people, just let it be. Chances are she will move closer to you in time. I used to put pressure on people in the past with the intent of being helpful. I realize now that people need to feel comfortable, safe in communication with me and that is a pre- condition to be helpful. Only if a person feels non threatened by me, not pressured, respected, then he or she will be open to whatever help I may be able to give. I am also more aware now that only Win-Win interactions and relationships with people work. So when you wrote you miss her company, it means to me that there has been a Win for you too. So, it has been a good relationship with her so far, is my understanding.

    Please post again with thoughts and updates…

    anita

    #94591
    dfh
    Participant

    Our friendship has been a great one so far. I think she’s an amazing person and so is her son. She’s a wonderful mother and a good friend. Just an all-around great person. I believe she thinks similar thoughts about me, too. We have conversations that last hours and I have a blast playing and interacting with her son. It is like a form of therapy for me since he demands attention, it requires me to focus on him instead of myself and my own problems for the time that I’m there with him. So far, I can say it has been a win-win for both of us. We both try to help each other out as much as we can. Maybe in time she’ll be open to a relationship.

    Thank you all for responding and giving different perspectives on this.

    #94595
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear dfh:

    You are welcome. As I read your latest post I was thinking: “Win-Win” and before I knew it I read your own words “a win-win”. This is a necessary component of a healthy relationship, being that, a win-win. So hope you continue, it is good for you and for her and for her son (win-win-win). Maybe it will evolve into romance, maybe not; I hope so, because you desire that. Please keep posting and … as you desire the romance, keep your eagerness in check, calm it, so it doesn’t spoil the current Win for you!

    anita

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