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January 22, 2025 at 6:17 pm #441738anitaParticipant
Dear Peter:
I am (!) Looking forward to read, process and and reply Thurs morning.
Anita
January 23, 2025 at 11:52 am #441753PeterParticipantLast night I happened upon the following.
From Youtube channel – Like Stories of Old – Interstellar’s Hidden Meaning Behind Love and Time
“Listen to me when I say that love isn’t something we invented, it’s observable and powerful, it has to mean something…maybe it means something more, something we can’t yet understand. Maybe it’s some evidence, some artifact of a higher dimension that we can’t consciously perceive. Love is the one thing we’re capable of perceiving that transcends dimensions of time and space.” — Dr. Brand, Interstellar.Then book I’m reading at bed time – ‘A Soldier of the Great War’ – by Mark Helprin
Old man: Do you know why you walk slowly when you’re old?
Alessandro: No
Old man: Because with age you receive the gift of friction. The less time you have, the more you suffer, the more you feel, the more you observe, and the more slowly time moves even as it races ahead. (a good description of how I’ve been experiencing time lately)
Alessandro: The less time, the more friction, difficulty, and viscosity. Time expands. Is that correct?
Old man: Yes
Alessandro: At the end, when no time is left, it will pass so slowly that it will not pass at all.”
Old man: Correct
Alessandro: Then, at death, time stops?
Old Man: Old men on their deathbeds call for their fathers not because they are afraid, but because they have seen time bend back upon itself… When I was your age I was skeptical and quick. I made fast work of the myths of heaven and hell and of the vastly deficient idea of nothingness. As I’ve grown older, I’ve seen that the world is made of perfect balances and exact compensations. The heavier the burden and the closer you get to the end, the more vicious time becomes, and you see, in slow motion, intimations of eternity.Then this morning as I woke I had the intuition to step back and let these notions we’ve been exploring go for – their is a time to think and analyze and a time to treasure up and ponder in ones heart.
That said looking back at some old journal entries I noticed that I’ve struggled with my relationship with the notion of hope so I might explore that in my next posts.
January 23, 2025 at 12:30 pm #441754HelcatParticipantHi Peter
Sorry for the late reply. The kiddo started walking and I’m exhausted.
Haha I can believe it! 😊 I hate when that happens.
I think I was just lost in my own thoughts and memories to be honest. That quote reminded me of an old friend who used to believe that people were not meant to be happy. It makes sense that you would perceive it in a different way.
I guess it depends on how you define joy? Or maybe people just experience it differently? I’m a quiet simple person. I would perhaps describe it as contentment, peace or serenity.
And from the perspective of Traditional Chinese Medicine, the goal is to simply be calm. Strong emotions good and bad are both seen as harmful.
I’m curious about your experience of joy, if you would like to describe it?
For me, it was just a side effect of meditation. My thoughts slowed down until there were gaps between them, and within that space I noticed all of the beauty in the world I had missed before.
I do think that personal development is really important though. It is good to like yourself and it reduces suffering.
I believe it is possible to be still and content with a busy life. I think that as a parent, it’s teaching me a lot about patience. The amount of self control that is needed to raise a child in a healthy way is wild. Even under the most extreme circumstances. You learn to let go of stressors until you see something of actual consequence.
Today my son learned to walk and with that came absolute chaos. Rolling with it is important. But sometimes you just need to stop and breathe for a bit.
What happens to the moment when the sun sets? I don’t think I understand the question, I will take a stab at it though. Some moments are forgotten (lost to the sands of time), some are preserved in pictures, some are burned into our memories. But every day the moment repeats itself whether we watch it or not.
Yes, I would agree, in the moment there is no need to label these things.
Thank you for letting me ramble!
Love, peace and forgiveness! ❤️🙏
January 23, 2025 at 12:49 pm #441759anitaParticipantDear peter:
I will start with processing what you shared at the end of your second, recent post:
“Then this morning as I woke I had the intuition to step back and let these notions we’ve been exploring go for – their is a time to think and analyze and a time to treasure up and ponder in ones heart”-
– your intuition prompted you to step back and let go of the intellectual exploration and analysis we’ve been engaging in. This implies a shift from active thinking and problem-solving to a more passive and reflective state.
You acknowledge that there is a time to think and analyze, which involves actively engaging with ideas, breaking them down, and seeking to understand them logically and intellectually. Conversely, you recognize that there is also a time to “treasure up and ponder in one’s heart.” This suggests a period of reflection and contemplation, where the focus is on deeply feeling the ideas rather than dissecting them. It’s about allowing the insights to settle within and resonate on a more emotional and intuitive level.
I agree that there needs to be a balance between intellectual analysis and emotional reflection. While analyzing and thinking are important for understanding concepts, it’s equally crucial to take time to step back, reflect, and let these notions resonate within the heart. This approach allows for a more holistic and integrated understanding of the ideas, connecting both the mind and the heart.
“That said looking back at some old journal entries I noticed that I’ve struggled with my relationship with the notion of hope so I might explore that in my next posts.”-
– The act of looking back at old journal entries indicates a period of reflection and introspection. It shows that you are revisiting your past thoughts and experiences to gain insights and understand your current state of mind. You acknowledge that you have struggled with your relationship with the concept of hope, that you found it challenging to understand or maintain a positive relationship with it.
The struggle with hope implies emotional complexity, as hope is often intertwined with expectations, dreams, and uncertainties about the future. You expressed an intention to explore the notion of hope in your future posts. This indicates a proactive approach to understanding and addressing your struggles with hope. It shows a willingness to delve deeper into your feelings and thoughts on the subject.
The desire to explore hope further suggests a commitment to personal growth and self-improvement. By examining your relationship with hope, you aim to gain clarity and possibly find a more constructive way to engage with it.
“‘Love is the one thing we’re capable of perceiving that transcends dimensions of time and space.’ — Dr. Brand, Interstellar”- I feel it right now, an Eternal Now kind of right now. I feel it. And indeed, as I feel it, I don’t feel a need for labels and measurements. There is no problem in the feeling of it, therefore, nothing to solve, nothing to think about.
My thoughts: generally, we live in the Eternal Realm and in the Temporal Realm. it is not possible to live, as humans, in one or the other. Our brains label for survival just like any other organism (trees label sunlight as desirable- without the thinking- and grow toward it, seeking it; a unicellular protozoan labels acidic water as dangerous, and actively moves away from it). Living solely in the Eternal requires a non-functioning brain on our parts, as humans.
It’s about living in both, letting go of attachment to one or the other. Not labeling either one as superior to the other.
I want to reply further later, Thurs morning. But before I leave your thread for the day, about hope: the image that comes to my mind is that of little kid, me as a girl, you as a boy: we wouldn’t have any trouble stating what we hope for back then, would we? I mean, before fear took too much place in our hearts and minds.
If you ask peter the young boy: “what do you hope for?” What will he say?
I am asking anita the young girl: “what do you hope for?” I answer: LIFE! I want to LIVE! I want to LIVE!” (interestingly, I didn’t say “I hope to live”. I said: I want to live).
Back to you tomorrow.
anita
January 23, 2025 at 3:04 pm #441761PeterParticipantHi Helcat
I enjoy your ramblings 🙂 and happy that you tolerate mine.
I’m curious about your experience of joy, if you would like to describe it?
For me the experience of happiness is fleeting, a gift of a moment while Joy or Bliss goes deeper and is more durable. Its not lost when the sun sets.
Where I tend to try to cling to happiness for Joy that urge isn’t present…
I’ve been using the words ‘Bitter Sweet’ to describe it, for me, Joy has a taste…
Where happiness has a giddiness about it, joy has a somber yet content note. LOL Like a good wine…. Happiness is like a sweet wine easy to drink, enjoyed in the moment, but easily forgotten. Where Joy is a complex wine with body, various notes (emotions), presently lingers, where just a sip is enough for you to remember for a life. (I imagine that to be so as I’m not a fan of wine – but metaphor works, maybe…
“What happens to the moment when the sun sets?”I tend to see language as metaphor….
There is for me a difference between Meditation on a sunset and when the sun has set.
Meditating on a sunset, feeling calm, content maybe even happy verses Meditating when the sun has set, and you find yourself in the dark – metaphorical dark – where the world and fears swirling around you. In “darkness” I imagine I might be able to maintain a calm stillness… maybe, but not happiness where if I succeed in remaining calm and still in all that motion, I may even experience as Joy.I had a teacher say that its easy to be calm and happy sitting quietly by a lake with no one around, not so easy in the middle of rush hour and being honked at. Its good to practice by a lake but a point of the practice is learning to take the lake with you wherever you find yourself. Or something like that.
😊 As a parent you’re going to get a lot of practice
“Today my son learned to walk and with that came absolute chaos. Rolling with it is important. But sometimes you just need to stop and breathe for a bit.”
The image that created for me made me smile… and I image that this moment, when remembered years from now will bring a smile to your face. Joy and or happiness…
January 23, 2025 at 3:14 pm #441762PeterParticipantHi Anita
“My thoughts: generally, we live in the Eternal Realm and in the Temporal Realm. it is not possible to live, as humans, in one or the other… It’s about living in both, letting go of attachment to one or the other. Not labeling either one as superior to the other.”
Well said. I agree and sometimes imagine it as the yin yang symbol in motion. I know when I’m in anxiety mode both feet are firmly in the temporal (the spinning image goes all wonky) as I’m measuring/labeling like “crazy”. In those moments I need to notice bring myself closer to the Eternal, centering and slowing the spinning image.
“If you ask peter the young boy: “what do you hope for?” What will he say?”
Funny Sad that just reading that question I feel a tightness in my lower abdomen as my hope as a young boy came from a place of fear and anxiety or you might say discomfort and the Hope was to for comfort because discomfort was not only bad but ‘sin’.
I’m afraid my Hope was not for Life but to change what cannot be change. In other words as a young boy I was unknowingly saying a big NO to Life while believing I could fix it by being good and following all the rules. ( I think you had a similar experience with taking on the label of bad, if for different reasons? I wonder if most children do?)Krishnamurti made an argument that most of our hope really represented a fear. And that one hoped when one was in despair.
“Hope means you are in despair. Being in despair, you look to something to give you hope. Have you understood the nature of despair, why you are in despair? Have you ever looked at your despair, why it exists? It exists because you are comparing yourself with somebody. It exists because you want to fulfill, become, be, achieve…” – KrishnamurtiYears ago I determined that if one was to hope unskillfully it was best not to hope at all which I still think, only I didn’t give up on the notion of learning to hope skillfully.
Its why I want to revisit my relationship with Hope – Krishnamurti not wrong but surprising myself, my gut says there is a Hope that, yes, we might turn to in times of trouble, but isn’t about fixing that trouble, or comparing, or even becoming…. Though I feel such a hope would bring one closer to a ‘true self’. Kind of the Joy and sorrow relationship? Maybe? Language is going to get in the way, but think I’m in a space to explore it.
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