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  • #443203
    anita
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    Dear Alessa:

    Thank you so much for your thoughtful and kind words. Your support means a lot to me, and I’m truly grateful for your encouragement. ❤️

    My weekend was quite relaxing, thank you for asking. I’m glad to read that you were doing okay this past weekend, and hope that you are doing okay this Monday as well.

    Your reflections on avoidance and confronting feelings are very insightful. It’s true that finding a balance between not getting lost in pain and accepting our feelings can be challenging. Viewing our feelings in a more positive light is a valuable approach.

    Dear Jana:

    It’s a profound decision to choose to work with your nature rather than against it. Your thoughts on vulnerability and tenderness resonate deeply. It does take immense courage to be vulnerable, and it’s understandable to feel exposed and at risk. Learning to protect oneself skillfully while maintaining compassion is a delicate balance, and it’s wonderful that you’re working on this.

    I’m grateful for your kind words about my self-esteem and self-compassion. I’d be happy to share more about my experience: I used to feel devasted, overwhelmed by criticism, it felt like Danger. And so, I responded with two of the three responses to perceived danger: Flight (running away) or Freeze (feeling paralyzed, stuck, trapped). Most often, I froze and didn’t know how to respond, later to run away: end contact with the criticizing person, or run away before I get to be criticized.

    My feelings of shame and guilt were so intense and persistent that any criticism was too much to bear. Fast forward, my feelings of shame and guilt have significantly lessened and my empathy for others has increased, so.. on one hand, criticism- the non-abusive kind- doesn’t feel dangerous anymore, and on the other had, I am not locked within myself, frozen. I engage with others and that makes all the difference.

    anita

    #443211
    Jana 🪷
    Participant

    Thank you for sharing your experience.

    I wonder. When I am in presence of too dominant people, I also freeze. But I am not sure what the source is… I connect this to my introversion and slow thinking.

    I call “dominant people” those people who are loud, agressive in speech/act, very moody and always in the mood of attacking (gossiping, judging, you say “A” and they have to say “B” just only to have a reason to oppose and argue…)

    ☀️ 🪷

    #443213
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Jana:

    You are welcome. It’s completely understandable to feel overwhelmed or freeze in the presence of dominant individuals, especially when their behavior is aggressive and confrontational.

    “you say ‘A’ and they have to say ‘b'”- do you ever find yourself as the one who has to say b? Do you ever find yourself as the aggressive, confrontational person.. ever?

    There were times- far in between- that I was that person, the dominant, aggressive and confrontational one. I wonder if anyone’s behavior is strictly, consistently one (passive, submissive) OR the other (aggressive, confrontational)?

    anita

    #443214
    Jana 🪷
    Participant

    Hello Anita,

    I do find myself as the one who has a different opinion, but I don’t have the urge to say it whatever it costs… without thinking about the consequences. The fact is that I am so slow that it might not be even possible to be aggressive. I mean it seems to me that confrontational people are quite hot-tempered, fire-like personalities… exact opposites of me. And that’s also why they hate me.

    I agree that it can be a result of frustration or stress, too. But I was always submissive, maybe you remember… and in very unhealthy way… a submissive escapist, avoiding a conflict… rather completely isolated than confrontational. It is not good, either. I know. That’s why I’m on my way to self-compassion and hope to find healthy assertiveness.

    I know people who are dominant but with the need to be protective. I feel better with them. But they can be unhealthy in relationships too when they become too controlling.

    ☀️ 🪷

    #443215
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Jana:

    It was Tues 3:05 am when you submitted your post a few moments ago, your time; Mon 6:05 pm when your post appeared here, and 6:20 pm when I submit this post. I will reply further in the morning. I hope you sleep restfully, and that I do too 🌙😴✨

    anita

    #443239
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Jana:

    I asked you: “if anyone’s behavior is strictly, consistently one (passive, submissive) OR the other (aggressive, confrontational)?

    Your answer includes the statement “I was always submissive”.

    This morning, I want to answer my question in general terms: human behavior is complex and situational, which makes it rare for someone to exhibit strictly and consistently one type of behavior, such as being entirely passive and submissive or entirely aggressive and confrontational, in all aspects of life.

    People’s behavior often changes depending on the context and situation. Someone might be passive and submissive at work or in formal settings, but assertive or even confrontational in personal relationships. The nature of relationships influence behavior. For example, someone might be passive with authority figures but assertive or aggressive with a younger sibling.

    While certain personality traits make someone more inclined toward a particular behavior (e.g., introversion => more passive behavior, while extroversion => more assertive behavior), it’s not absolute. People exhibit a range of behaviors depending on various factors.

    Over time, individuals may learn and adapt their behaviors based on experiences. Someone who was once submissive might learn to be more assertive, while someone who was aggressive might learn to communicate more calmly.

    In some cultures, assertiveness is encouraged, while in others, submissiveness is more socially acceptable. Social expectations shape how people respond in different situations.

    What do you think about the above, Jana?

    Also, in regard to “I was always submissive”- what about your anger about submitting, anger at the aggressive people in your life: did you push it down, suppressing it or repressing it?

    anita

    #443262
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Anita and Jana

    I settled on understanding the meaning of the emotions.

    I remembered something that my old therapist said.

    Negative emotions are not bad. They have a purpose. Anger is there to let you know when a boundary has been crossed.

    I have been feeling anxious and I wondered what the purpose of anxiety was. To highlight a threat or danger. It can also be related to fear of loss. For autists particularly, uncertainty. The difficulty is that anxiety can misfire when there isn’t much of a threat. This is what happens to me a lot because of my PTSD. Hyper-vigilance.

    I’m learning that I don’t often directly think about my feelings. I tend to focus on other things and not even notice. I have to look for the hidden underlying reason. Then when that is acknowledged the feeling passes.

    I’m glad that you had a good weekend, Anita. I did too. Thank you! You deserve encouragement. You have achieved so much and are an inspiration to everyone here! ❤️

    Ah well there was a pirate code of conduct. And one of the characters tried to use that to their advantage. And the pirate refused to co-operate and said they are more like guidelines than actual rules.

    I’m working on handling conflict too, it is pretty tricky! I feel like internal validation is important. I feel like the more I do that, the less I need others to meet my needs, I guess because I have already met them. I am okay with doing my own thing and other people doing their own thing. I feel like that is healthy for me. Letting things unfold in their own time naturally instead of trying to steer the ship as it were.

    I’m also working on understanding myself and others more. I’m pretty straightforward and honest. Which is not the best combination when it comes to conflict. Even with good intentions, it is easy for people to feel hurt. So I’m trying to learn how to be less blunt and when it might not be so helpful to share something.

    I also have a tendency to emotionally shut down to protect myself in conflict. People often interpret that as me not caring. Which isn’t true. I’m a complex person and I don’t ever stop caring about people, not even during disagreements. As you say Jana, I just don’t like being vulnerable when I’m at risk of being hurt. I still have a lot of positive feelings for others when I express that and I feel rejected during disagreements it hurts.

    There are some complex communication skills that I would like to learn, indirect communication and positive confirmation.

    I’m glad that you no longer feel that others know more about yourself than you do Jana. 😊

    Whilst I do find outside perspectives helpful. I feel like there is a vast inner world that other people are unaware of. Also, every person views us differently. Depending on when they meet us, they can hold onto views from the past which isn’t their fault, but there is a lot of growth that they are unaware of.

    I feel like you are someone who has a rich inner world and there are a lot that some people might not take the time to get to know properly. I think that you’re a very wise and gentle person. I understand what you mean when you say that you have always been submissive. It is rare to meet someone as peaceful as you.

    My guess is that lot of people don’t understand you and misinterpret your actions because you are so different. People often only understand what they haven’t experienced themselves.

    I would guess that you probably do accidentally hurt people though. Everyone does because we are all so different. It is easy not to realise it when you have good intentions. There can be an assumption that others would see our good intentions and how much we care. But unless we are very straightforward and explicit in telling people this, it is easy for them to misunderstand and make assumptions.

    I could easily be wrong about this, these are just some things that I have learned myself recently. What do you think? ❤️

    It has been really busy recently, so sorry for not having a lot of time to write. It takes me a lot of time to think about things that are very meaningful.

    #443264
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    It’s wonderful to see how much insight and growth you have gained in understanding your emotions and interactions with others.

    Your focus on letting things unfold naturally is an important aspect of personal growth, something I need to practice more myself.

    I greatly admire your dedication to understanding yourself and others. Your efforts to be less blunt and to recognize the impact of your words demonstrate emotional intelligence— something I’m working on improving myself.

    “Negative emotions are not bad. They have a purpose.”- I am processing and elaborating on your words: Anger, often considered a negative emotion due to its discomfort, agitation, and potential for aggressive behavior, has a positive purpose. It motivates us to take action to protect ourselves, assert our needs, and address injustices.

    “I have been feeling anxious and I wondered what the purpose of anxiety was. To highlight a threat or danger… This is what happens to me a lot because of my PTSD. Hyper-vigilance.”- I have suffered from Complex PTSD (C-PTSD) since childhood. This was undiagnosed because:
    (1) C-PTSD was first formally recognized as a diagnosis by the WHO in 2018, only a few years ago.
    (2) In the United States, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) has not approved C-PTSD as a separate diagnosis, so I couldn’t receive this diagnosis even if I sought it.

    I tend to be hyper-vigilant to any sign of disrespect and often quickly interpret people’s words and behaviors as disrespectful, shaming, or intentionally harmful. This stems from my experience with my mother, who severely disrespected me and intentionally shamed and hurt me, taking pleasure in my pain. As a result, I developed an expectation that others would treat me the same way. I need to become more aware of this tendency and work on recognizing it as it happens in everyday life, including here on the forums.

    Thank you, Alessa, for your kind words and encouragement, and for giving me the opportunity to process things and gain a deeper understanding of myself. Wishing you continued growth and success on your journey. ❤️

    anita

    #443321
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    I’m sorry for the delay in writing, it has been a busy week.

    That is very sweet of you to say! You certainly have a way with words. Thank you for your kindness, it is touching. I’m glad to hear that it was helpful to process and understand yourself some more. ❤️

    I know that you will go from strength to strength in whatever you set your mind to. 😊

    That makes sense with everything that you’ve been through. It is a shame that it is not properly recognized in America yet. I’m really sorry that she treat you like that. No one deserves that, let alone a child and to receive that kind of treatment from a “parent” when you deserved to be protected, loved and cherished is a very difficult way to grow up.

    I’m similar with the hypervigilance, being afraid of being hurt by others. It is not an easy thing to deal with.

    Good luck with everything! Not that you need it. I’m confident that you will succeed.

    #443332
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    No worries at all about the delay – I understand how busy life can get.

    Thank you so much for your kind words. It really means a lot to me. I’m glad that sharing my experiences was helpful for you as well. ❤️

    Your encouragement is very much appreciated. It’s been a challenging journey, but I believe in moving forward and continuing to grow. 😊

    It’s comforting to know that you understand the difficulty of hypervigilance and the fear of being hurt. It certainly is not easy, but knowing we’re not alone in these experiences can make a difference.

    Thank you for your good wishes and your confidence in me. It truly uplifts my spirits. I wish you all the best as well. Take care and stay strong.

    anita

    #443341
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    That is very kind of you. Thank you! ❤️

    I noticed that for me, these things are worse in the middle of a ptsd trigger. I don’t know if you have experienced that too? It is like um two triggers being on top of each other.

    It helps me feel safe to be alone when things are like that. Do you feel like that too? Or are there differences for you? You don’t have to answer if you don’t want to, I was just curious what your experience was like. As you say, knowing that you are not alone in these experiences is helpful. It is nice talking to someone who understands what it is like.

    #443342
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa: You submitted the above only.. 5 minutes ago (by the time I submit this post), it’s amazing to me how close in time we are, and how close we are in essence. Be back to you Mon morning.

    anita

    #443585
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    “I noticed that for me, these things are worse in the middle of a ptsd trigger. I don’t know if you have experienced that too? It is like um two triggers being on top of each other.”- it’s like an escalation that happens for me, well, more like it happened, it’s way slower now.

    Within a PTSD moment, upon sensing treat, there is an escalation in the perception of danger that way exceeds the actual danger. It can be the irritation that I am feeling right now in one of my big toes. in my mind, I escalated it into having neuropathy and the irritation lasting forevermore, every moment of the day and night.

    It all comes down to having grown (inward) with a woman (mother) who escalated situations: a word I said as a 6 or 7 year old, not intending harm, and her response: “I will murder you!”, and two adult women holding her on both sides as she struggles to free herself and murder me. This is one of the most, if not the most impactful memory I have of her.

    It is no wonder that an irritation in my toe escalates to a chronic, incurable disease.

    Yesterday, in real-life, I somehow (not proud of saying so) indirectly- through snide remarks- confronted a person who has been behaving- long-term- in harmful ways toward others, having a charming facade but in practice, a bad person in quite a few ways. Now that I am thinking about it, the reason I was indirect might have been a way for me to try to prevent a catastrophic reaction on his part.

    It all boils down to (and “boil” has a real meaning here) the expectation of catastrophe. And I believe that you relate, growing up (but inward) with what is clear and present danger. I mean, a child doesn’t have the capacity to perceive the threat of murder as anything less or other than a threat to kill, to murder.

    “It helps me feel safe to be alone when things are like that. Do you feel like that too?”- yes, this is why I have been alone most of my life and why being alone is still something I do every day. I call it alone-time, taking the time to not be threatened by others.

    “It is nice talking to someone who understands what it is like.’- this is your last sentence of your most recent post. And my initial alarm this late morning, as I read your words: “oh, oh, next thing Aleesa will say is: NO YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS LIKE. I THOUGHT YOU DID, BUT YOU DON’T! AND YOUR PUNISHMENT IS…”.

    Well, “your punishment is: I WILL MURDER YOU!”

    This one memory, in combination with many other memories, is imprinted in my brain, although less intensely than it used to be. Yet, still, the words of a mother, a mother who happens to be a monster, run deep.

    anita

    #443593
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    Thank you for sharing your feelings and experiences! They definitely resonate with me. 😊

    I’m sorry to hear that you experienced that. No child should have to hear those words from the people who should be protecting them. ❤️

    I have some dark memories of threats like that, my monster would say it a lot. I would like to share a funny one though, so prepare yourself for some dark humour.

    I had some food aversions growing up. There were these tinned sardines in tomato sauce on toast. I refused to eat it because of all of the little bones too small to pick out and I didn’t like the flavour of tomatoes either. She ended up getting frustrated with me and saying “If you don’t eat it I’ll put your face in it!” I still refused and she actually did it! Then, the doorbell rang and it was cult members. She hurried me away to go wash my face and threatened to kill me if I told them what had just happened. So I came back through and said nothing and one of the members said “Can anyone smell fish?” And I burst out laughing because my face still smelled of fish even after doing my best to wash it all off. 😂

    Yes, I know what you mean. After being adopted I would flinch when anyone moved their arm suddenly near me. And ask permission before getting food from the fridge because I used to get beaten for eating without permission. I feel like the past lingers in my subconscious and rears its head poking through into my conscious mind wondering is this going to happen again?

    I like that you use the word monster. That is the word my therapist used to use. I feel like it is rather apt for both of our “mothers”. 😊

    I’m glad to hear that the memories are imprinted less intensely and that the escalation happens much slower now! That is excellent progress.

    The escalation is still rather quick for me unfortunately. However, the memories feel far away in the distance compared to how they used to feel in the past. I believe that is because of therapy. Perhaps it is also because my life feels so different now? I make an effort these days for my life to be very peaceful.

    #443595
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    I found myself smiling reading your post, enjoying your dark humor. Funny to me that the story involves sardines because I must be one of the only people in the world who eats a can of sardines per day, every single day, in olive oil (not in tomato source). I will reply further tomorrow morning (Mon 4 pm here, Tues 4 am where you’re at).

    anita

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