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    Kilian
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    Help, I heard that the last thoughts one has determine one’s rebirth. I have OCD and intrusive thoughts of all the worst things in this world. Violent and horrifying intrusions, images etc. And they come precisely at times when I don’t want them. For example at religious sites or events. It’s the nature of OCD. What can I do? They’re uncontrollable. I am thinking of Assisted suicide because I have a rare disease. But I am terrified by this idea that these intrusions may send me into a bad rebirth. People with OCD are no bad people. What can they do?

    #372073
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Kilian:

    I am trying to understand: you have a rare disease that makes it possible for you to apply for Assisted Suicide? And what unfortunate disease is that??

    anita

     

    #372074
    Kilian
    Participant

    Yes, it is a degenerative bone disease but I am not sure of the prognosis. I am seeking treatment at a center for rare diseases.

    #372083
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Kilian:

    You wrote that you suffer from a degenerative bone disease, but you are “not sure of the prognosis”. You are considering assisted suicide,  but you are afraid that you will be obsessing on violent thoughts and images before you die, and that will cause you a “bad rebirth” that will match your violent thoughts and images (like being born into a violent household or into war, I am guessing).

    First, I am sorry that you are suffering from a degenerative bone disease, and I hope that the prognosis is better than you think it is.

    I suggest that you see a doctor, or doctors and find out the prognosis of your individual bone disease situation, and that you do everything possible to help slow down the disease, maybe pause or stop the degeneration altogether, if possible, according to the instructions of competent professionals.

    Because you’ve been considering the idea of assisted suicide, find out if it is available where you live,  and what are the policies and regulations in this regard- find out if you could qualify, given your age, your disease and your prognosis.

    —  The more information you have, the lesser your anxiety will be.

    Regarding your OCD- there are treatments for this disorder (I was diagnosed with it and suffered greatly from it for many years), including a class of psychiatric medications called SSRIs that are often prescribed for the disorder. Psychotherapy can also help you a great deal.

    Regarding your belief in reincarnation and being born into a situation that fits a person’s last thoughts and images- that wouldn’t be fair, would it, to be punished like this when you, as an OCD sufferer, can’t choose to not think what you .. want to not think about.

    I don’t believe in reincarnation/ rebirth, but if you believe in it, perhaps ask a reputable person in a Buddhist temple or such about the specific matter of an OCD sufferer and rebirth.

    anita

     

    #372106
    Kilian
    Participant

    Thank you, I know SSRIs. Maybe I’ll try them. I was just wondering why Buddhists always say how insubstantial thoughts are if they have such significance at death. The Buddha sunder the Bodiodhi  tree was confronted with all kinds of thoughts I think, and he just calmly said, “I know you Mara”.. But is this enough  ? The only way out seems to me to be in a calm state of mind, regardless of the thought quality itself. I called a Buddhist monk about this and she said she didn’t quite know what to make of it and was not familiar with the condition.

    #372114
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Kilian:

    Thoughts are mental-physical activities, made possible by chemical and other physiological processes in our flesh and blood brains. When we die, our brains die as well, and therefore, thoughts that were made possible by the living brain, no longer exist.

    I hope that if you are prescribed with SSRIs by a doctor and take them as prescribed, that your thoughts will slow down, and that you will feel calmer as a result.

    anita

     

    #372138
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Kilian:

    I noticed that you started a new thread. I hope other members answer you on that thread. You are welcome to post here, on your new thread, and/ or start more new threads, and I hope other members correspond with you on those other threads.

    As far as communicating with me, I will reply to you only on this thread. And so, if you have a question for me, or want my input, ask me here. Otherwise, I wish you health and healing in this new year!

    anita

    #372139
    Kilian
    Participant

    It would be interesting to know your perspective on how Spirituality can exist alongside the presence of arbitrary evil in this world.

    Thank you I wish you all the best too

    #372141
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Kilian:

    You are welcome and thank you for your wishes for me. To answer your question, I need to understand your question, therefore I ask:

    1. Is the word spirituality for you the same as the word good?

    2. Can you give me your definition of spirituality?

    3. Can you give me your definition of arbitrary evil?

    (I will be away from the computer for the next 16 hours).

    anita

    #372142
    Kilian
    Participant

    Spirituality to me has to do with trust that something greater than oneself makes the world and what happens in it have some sense rhyme and reason. That it ticks according to a greater mind and moves toward the good.

    Arbitrary evil to me is children having cancer, the life cycles of parasites that are unnecessarily harmful of its victims, and people’s propensities for evil deeds sadistic deeds and so on

     

     

    #372163
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Kilian:

    “It would be interesting to know your perspective on how Spirituality can exist alongside the presence of arbitrary evil in this world”, you wrote.

    You defined Spirituality as (1) “the trust that something greater than oneself makes the world”, (2) that “what happens in (the world) has some sense rhyme and reason.. that it ticks according to a greater mind”, (3) that the world “moves toward the good”.

    You defined arbitrary evil as “children having cancer, the life cycles of parasites that are unnecessarily harmful to its victims, and people’s propensities for evil deeds, sadistic deeds and so on”.

    What I believe to be true regarding your definition of spirituality:

    #1: I agree- there is “something greater than oneself that makes the world”, and that is why after I die, the world will go on without me in it. Nothing is a more convincing piece of evidence that the world is greater than any one person than the observation that the world does not die a million times a day, even though…  millions of people die every day.

    #2: I agree- what happens in the world has some sense, rhyme and reason, it does tick to a greater mind: the rhyme is evident in the seasons, winter, spring, summer and fall, for example. It operates according to some sense and reason, for example, the mountain lion attacks a smaller, weaker deer because it is easier and safer than attacking a big, strong deer.

    As to the greater mind, I don’t believe it is a god in the way the bible describes god, a human-like god. As a human being, I can’t observe the appearance of that greater mind, I can only observe the work of this greater mind: I can observe nature. I can investigate the work of this greater mind by applying the scientific method of investigation.

    #3: I disagree- the world is not moving toward “the good”- for example,  climate change is evidence that the world is moving toward bad: toward what harms and kills plants, animal and people (air pollution, mega fires, greater hurricanes, etc.).

    The idea of good was born in the context of animals living in social groups, where an individual does good for the group and in return, the group does good for the individual. (from coyotes to elk to people). Unfortunately, in human social life, individuals too often do what is bad for the group, disregarding that “sense, rhyme and reason” you mentioned. For example, it makes sense to not pollute the air for the good of the social group, but many individuals choose to unnecessarily pollute the air because polluting the air gives them their individual, temporary pleasure(ex., smoking in the home, around one’s family members), or immediate/ easy financial gain (ex., the oil industry powerful individuals fighting against the development of clean energy sources).

    As to arbitrary evil: you mentioned cancer- a lot of cancer is caused by individual disregarding the good of the social group, such as the air pollution I mentioned above. As to the “life cycle of parasites that are unnecessarily harmful to its victims”- I am all for ridding our bodies from parasites, but from the point of view of that greater mind we are discussing, people are not more important than parasites. In that greater mind, parasites have the same right to exist as humans.

    As far as “people’s propensities for evil deeds, sadistic deeds”- those behaviors come to be when a child is born into a home (the child’s first social-group) where the individuals within that home (parents, siblings, others) harm the child severely (which goes against that “sense, rhyme and reason” of the greater mind), and some of those severely harmed children then proceed to harm others, some do so sadistically. It is a terrible distortion of that sense-rhyme-and-reason of the greater mind.

    anita

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