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August 5, 2024 at 11:45 am #435836anitaParticipant
Dear Zenith:
“I believe my friend is still a good human and she cares about me. She came to airport to pick us, cooked breakfast and lunch on the day we landed. She still cares about me“- this is the reality of who she is, caring although not perfectly. No one is perfectly caring (not even you, lol).
“At night my brain started fighting again like how my friend treats me, she is taking advantage of me. I had these racing thoughts and headache… my brain is trying to tell me she is hurting by enjoying with other group“- this is not a reflection on the reality of who your friend is, it’s negative mental programming (from before you ever met your friend) repeating itself.
“She has financial and health issues“- when angry at her, shift to empathy for her. Try to do this during the day and at night, preferably before thoughts start to race.
anita
August 6, 2024 at 9:58 am #435866ZenithParticipantI am doing this. But still my thoughts havent stopped. Do you think this is OCD ? OCD always told me that I am never good enough. Now its saying that my friend has hurt me and she is not good enough. Like all the obsessive thoughts wont stop. I will be left all alone by this friend(lets call A). I have another close friend apart from my neighbor and let her name as B. Lets name the person who has hurt me as by ignoring me as C. Even B invited C to her home and she invited me too. B doesnt know about the things happened between me and A. I told her what has happend and I rejected her invite politely. Now my brain is worried that B will get close to C and her group just like A did. They all will get close and I will be left with no friends. I dont want friends anymore. Before my daughter was born I used to enjoy my time alone at home and with my husband. I used to have zero friends and that never bothered me. I started making for the sake of my daughter and got used to it. Now it feels life without friends is empty.
August 6, 2024 at 9:59 am #435867ZenithParticipantIt feels my brain is seeking validation from other others. My self worth is defined by others.
August 6, 2024 at 10:23 am #435869ZenithParticipantBased on my my experience some indian friends are emotionally draining. If i have to make new friends i have to invite thier families to home and cook food for them. I feel like making friends is physically and emotionally draining and I dont have time for the it.But I am scared pf being alone.
August 6, 2024 at 10:26 am #435870anitaParticipantDear Zenith: I am working on a reply for you. Please feel comfortable to add more posts whenever you feel like it. I’ll read all and add to my reply.
anita
August 6, 2024 at 10:41 am #435871ZenithParticipantOn top of that. I expect alot from people I guess. I expect them to make me thier top priority friend.
August 6, 2024 at 10:59 am #435872ZenithParticipantEarlier I am ok with people not making me thier top priority and I accepted the fact people change over time. This time its getting hard to accept.I am just filled with anger
August 6, 2024 at 11:17 am #435873anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
“my thoughts haven’t stopped. Do you think this is OCD?“- yes.
“OCD always told me that I am never good enough“- OCD is not a friend. Living with OCD is.. living with an enemy.
“Now its saying that my friend has hurt me and she is not good enough“- OCD is separating you from yourself (telling you that you are not good enough), and it is separating you from others (telling you that others are not good enough).
This is what OCD did to me, both of what I mentioned right above. I can’t believe I no longer have this enemy living with me (in that space in-between my ears). So, now, in my estimation: I am good-enough and you, Zenith, are also good-enough!
“Like all the obsessive thoughts won’t stop… Now my brain is worried that B will get close to C and her group just like A did. They all will get close and I will be left with no friends… Now it feels life without friends is empty… I am scared pf being alone.“- as a human being, you need friends. When you have a friend, or friends, you get scared of losing them and ending up alone. Your brain focuses on the fear of losing a friend and OCD runs with that fear.
“Before my daughter was born I used to enjoy my time alone at home and with my husband. I used to have zero friends and that never bothered me“- not never-bothered. For a while, it didn’t bother you.
“I don’t want friends anymore“- it feels like too much trouble to have friends, too much anxiety, so I understand that the quick solution that comes to mind is to not have friends anymore!
“It feels my brain is seeking validation from other others. My self worth is defined by others“- it’s natural for a human being (a social animal, one who lives with and is interdependent on others) to seek others’ validation, and for one’s self worth to be affected by others’ behaviors toward us. Thing is to not seek validation excessively and to not overreact to others’ behaviors.
“Based on my experience, some Indian friends are emotionally draining“- more draining because of excess in seeking their validation and overreacting to their words and behaviors..?
“If I have to make new friends, I have to invite their families home and cook food for them. I feel like making friends is physically and emotionally draining and I don’t have time for the it“- I understand. Possible solutions: make a friend or two who are not Indian? Also: if you could meet a friend for coffee in a coffee place, or for a walk outside, you could have time with a friend without having to cook for them.
“On top of that. I expect a lot from people, I guess. I expect them to make me their top priority friend.“- it’s almost like you are trying to undo what OCD is telling you (that you are a low priority to your friends) by taking it to the other extreme: expecting to be top priority!
OCD is an enemy in the ways it affects you, although its intention is good: it is trying to protect you, to help you solve problems.. but it’s misguided, it’s not logical, not sensible, it’s impulsive, it jumps to conclusions. So, it ends up harming you again and again.
Right above, is what OCD did to me.
“Earlier, I was ok with people not making me their top priority,(that) and I accepted the fact people change over time. This time it’s getting hard to accept. I am just filled with anger.“- for a while you were okay with people not making you their top priority.
I guess that whenever you feel that you are others’ low priority, you get (naturally) angry, and sort-of demand (at least in your own mind) that they make you their top priority, trying to over-compensate your hurt feelings.
In a way it’s like it’s a hot summer and you’ve been wanting cold ice-cream for a very long time, but not getting to have it. You imagine, in your mind, that when you finally get to have ice-cream, you will have a huge amount.. to compensate for no amount for too long. Do you relate to tis example?
anita
August 6, 2024 at 1:08 pm #435878ZenithParticipantYou put it up so well.
OCD is not a friend. Living with OCD is.. living with an enemy. Yes I feel like OCD is my enemy. Its hard to live with all those voices in my head .
OCD is separating you from yourself (telling you that you are not good enough), and it is separating you from others (telling you that others are not good enough).-This is so true. Its not allowing me to be myself.
it feels like too much trouble to have friends, too much anxiety, so I understand that the quick solution that comes to mind is to not have friends anymore!-Yeah its exhausting because of my OCD and other factors like inviting them home cooking , cleaning .
I understand. Possible solutions: make a friend or two who are not Indian? Also: if you could meet a friend for coffee in a coffee place, or for a walk outside, you could have time with a friend without having to cook for them.-lol..its hard for me to meet a non indian because of my social anxiety as I am introverted too. There is vast cultural difference. I dont drink/some and I eat only HALAL food. There isn’t much common thing to do I guess. The other I was thinking to make friends with the parents of my daughters friends and see how that goes. I want to focus on myself more. Like learning new hobbies or spend more time with myself/family.
OCD is an enemy in the ways it affects you, although its intention is good: it is trying to protect you, to help you solve problems.. but it’s misguided, it’s not logical, not sensible, it’s impulsive, it jumps to conclusions. So, it ends up harming you again and again.-This is so apt.
“Earlier, I was ok with people not making me their top priority,(that) and I accepted the fact people change over time. This time it’s getting hard to accept. I am just filled with anger.“- for a while you were okay with people not making you their top priority.-This is not for a while .This has been happening since childhood. When I look at my past or since I started schooling. There were so many friends who were so close with me in the beginning and they would leave me when they found new friends. I never left angry or obsessed about it. I would just let it go. I am unable to let go of this friend. I dont know why I am obsessed about her. Its so annoying.
I guess that whenever you feel that you are others’ low priority, you get (naturally) angry, and sort-of demand (at least in your own mind) that they make you their top priority, trying to over-compensate your hurt feelings.–This is so true. I just imagine my having conversation like demanding that person in my head like how we used to be best buddies and we always hung out together. I did it once during Jan. I politely told her I felt ignored by her or like how our friendship has changed. She started blaming us that we didnt invite her which is not the case. I think there is no point in asking this time because she would get defensive. I have to accept the fact she has changed.
August 6, 2024 at 5:51 pm #435890anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
“You put it up so well“- thank you!
“Yes I feel like OCD is my enemy. It’s hard to live with all those voices in my head“- yes, it is hard.
“This is so true. Its not allowing me to be myself“- it’s an enemy indeed.
“Yeah its exhausting because of my OCD and other factors like inviting them home cooking, cleaning“- OCD is definitely exhausting and it adds exhaustion to everything you do. Almost everything would be easier without OCD.
“I was thinking to make friends with the parents of my daughter’s friends and see how that goes. I want to focus on myself more. Like learning new hobbies or spend more time with myself/family“- reads like a good plan to me, particularly to focus on yourself more.. to be yourself
“There were so many friends who were so close with me in the beginning and they would leave me when they found new friends. I never felt angry or obsessed about it. I would just let it go. I am unable to let go of this friend. I don’t know why I am obsessed about her. Its so annoying“- do you think that early on, in India, when friends left you, you weren’t angry because you were emotionally numb (anger pushed down and away from awareness)? I wonder if currently, you are not as emotionally numb as you used to be in your younger years, and therefore more emotionally reactive.
I’ll reply further to your recent post (as well as to anything you may add) Wed morning. Good night, Zenith. I hope you sleep restfully.
anita
August 7, 2024 at 9:48 am #435902anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
A key sentence from your most recent post, in regard to OCD, is: “Its not allowing me to be myself.” From having communicated with you for so long, I know how important it is for you to be yourself.
What is it exactly, this thing that is not allowing you to be yourself, this OCD, aka what you referred to as my brain: “My brain started telling me that… My brain started getting worried about future… My brain is in fight mode” (July 30), “Thats what I told my brain” (July 31), “It feels my brain is seeking validation from other others” (Aug 6).
Your brain is part of you, but a significant part of it is operating against you (which is the case for many, many people). And the part of you that is being operated against (the “be myself” part) believes in much of what “the enemy” says.
You want to separate yourself from the part of you that’s operating against you, on one hand, but you believe what it says, on the other hand.
What if you do this exercise (maybe it will help): in one long paragraph let your OCD/ “my brain“, spill out all it has to say, just type it away, don’t censor it. let it tell you all that it thinks and feels about life and people.
Then (after some rest) let the other part of you speak and say what it thinks and believes.
After you complete the above (if you do): which part of you feels stronger, more dominant?
anita
August 7, 2024 at 10:56 am #435903anitaParticipantAdding: I had to figure out what it is that I believe in vs what my OCD has been telling me for so long (too long). For example, my OCD was telling me that all (mostly all, if not all) people are BAD. I believed it. Fast forward, I now believe that there are indeed many bad people (via their words and actions), but there are many good (although imperfect) people.
In the past, I went straight to negatively judging people. Now, whenever possible and appropriate, I shift from judgment to empathy.
To be myself is a product of what I choose to believe (following thinking and figuring it out). I figured that human reality is not a good reality, but it is not as bad as my OCD has been telling me. In the process of seeing (many) others as better people than I previously believed, I see myself as a better person than I previously believed.
I hope this helps.
anita
August 7, 2024 at 1:02 pm #435905ZenithParticipantWhat if you do this exercise (maybe it will help): in one long paragraph let your OCD/ “my brain“, spill out all it has to say, just type it away, don’t censor it. let it tell you all that it thinks and feels about life and people.–I would still say OCD because I have been suffering for so log like 6 years.
August 7, 2024 at 8:32 pm #435908anitaParticipantI wish you no longer suffer, Zenith!
anita
August 9, 2024 at 12:49 pm #436009ZenithParticipantHI Anita. I just added a link from this website and it says This post is awaiting moderation.
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