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  • #219045
    Running
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    Hi all,

    This is my 1st post but I am not new to this forum. I have been reading on here for some time now, especially when I find myself in a rough patch, it can really help to read what people are sharing, their pains and also insights.

    I thought I would start saying something here. This space feels nice.

    I am in my late 30s, been struggling with things from my past and my childhood for most of my life. I think I’ve only come to truly realise this and the impact my childhood has had on me in the last 5-10 years. I think it can be difficult to hold onto perspective sometimes. There are times when I look back on something that happened, and it makes me cringe and want to sink into a hole and die. It feels like – oh gosh… I did that…! And the shame really comes on. But what were these things that  I’d done..??

    I’m a runner. Literally – I was an athlete, and in life I think I have run a lot. I left home when I was 17. I left my home country in my 20s. I’m now more or less settled where I am, and I have worked hard to not run and to try and stay. Let myself settle and start to have what I need, but it’s difficult. I often find myself tangled up in situations and feelings and thoughts that are difficult to get out of…that make me feel bad and confused.. I think I run from 1 situation to the next, sometimes in a panic, to avoid my feelings. I really don’t like to feel unwanted and rejected. In the background, this feeling of being left I think is there.

    I think I grew up in a home that had some love in it in the beginning, well enough to sustain me, and then after my dad left, things fell apart quickly. I didn’t understand what the issue was with my mom for a really long time. I just didn’t understand why she was able to do the things that she did to us. Now I can see that she simply couldn’t contain herself and took it out on my siblings and me. The impact this has had on me has been enormous.

    I feel insecure a lot. Anxious, I get paranoid, I start worrying, and I then try to make it better by running off onto something else and often times that just makes things worse. I think I seek out attention cause I need it. I have my therapy for this. But also it spills over. I find myself getting tangled up at work. Bosses become parent figures on some level for me and I get attached to these feelings of wanting approval, love, to be the special one. It’s hard for me when I feel someone else is favoured, or I’m not the only one. But that’s life. And I know it goes back to my past, but it doesn’t make it easier. It’s tiring and I can’t get the rest that I need.

    I’ll say more next time, maybe later today. I’d love to hear back.

     

     

     

    #219053
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Running:

    First, I will retell your story, rearranging it (doing this helps me process information): In your childhood home, after your father left, your mother took out her anger on you and on your siblings. As a result of that, as a child, you felt “insecure a lot. Anxious… paranoid.. worrying”, “unwanted and rejected”. You left home at 17, and you left your country in your 20s.

    Now, in your late 30s, settled more or less, except that you are still seeking that approval and love from “Bosses (who) become parent figures”, from others as well. Still anxious, you “run from 1 situation to the next, sometimes in a panic” and you “find yourself tangled up in situations and feelings and thoughts that are difficult to get out of”.

    You wanted your mother’s “approval, love, to be the special one”, you wanted loving attention. Not angry attention. You are still running away from her anger, and you are still seeking that loving attention (“I think I seek out attention cause I need it”).

    My input: as adults we really do re-live our childhood when our childhood was a damaging one. When we put thousands of kilometers or miles between us and those who damaged us, a parent, most often, we are not a centimeter away from that parent’s mental representative in our brain. That mental representative is still doing to us what the parent did, still yelling at us, still harming us.

    So we keep doing what we did then, run away in one way or the other, and we still look for safety, for love. Our lives are very much the same as before, with bits and pieces of the present, sometimes, coming through the same-old-same-old life experience of childhood.

    There is a way out of that life experience, a way to experience a different life. I have done it, still doing it, am in the process of doing that, seven years of an ongoing process. Let me know of your thoughts regarding my reply.

    anita

     

     

    #219113
    Running
    Participant

    Dear Anita, thanks for your response. I thought it was really insightful. And you know what, it felt strange to read someone else’s response to my story. It feels different to put it down on type, out there, even if I have talked about myself mostly in my therapy. It made me feel tingly and almost like an adrenaline rush coming on. I don’t know whether that might be linked with my still seeking part. I think so.

    I agree with you. We repeat things everywhere. What has your process been? How have you done it and still doing it? It’s painstaking? I feel like my process has been an ongoing battle.. I suppose in some ways some things have changed and I’ve grown, but it’s still very very hard!! Hard enough to make me feel like I’m on the brink sometimes.

    #219115
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Running:

    My healing process includes an element that has to be included in your process as well. I have no doubt about it. This element is slowing down, doing the opposite of Running. In my first quality psychotherapy seven years ago, my therapist at the time introduced this concept to me under the term Mindfulness. Mindfulness is a huge movement in modern psychotherapy as I know it. And it is a popular concept otherwise. Being mindful is about slowing down and paying attention.

    No matter how much insight and understanding you gain, nothing can take the place of mindfulness, of this slowing down and paying attention. There is so much information you can’t gain otherwise and the only way to stop Running is to.. slow down. Not an easy task for a Runner.

    Are you familiar with the concept?

    anita

    #219119
    Running
    Participant

    No not easy to slow down when I’ve been so used to running. I know some things about it, but could you share more? Slow down so I know what’s happening?

    #219129
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Running:

    Running, figuratively, as you have been doing is a habit. Much like driving or tying shoes, you go through the motions without paying attention, automatically. You do these things and think about other things. Slowing down, or being mindful, is doing things not in the habit-automation state of mind, but attentively, choosing your actions, choosing with intention and attention.

    When you choose with intention and attention, you no longer act automatically, impulsively, out of habit, or as you put it, you no longer “find yourself tangled up in situations”. Instead, you intently and attentively direct situation so that they are most likely to be what you need them to be.

    Being mindful is paying attention on an ongoing basis (it is a skill, practiced over time, you get better at it) to what you think when you think it, what you feel, what you sense in your body, including five senses, you see what is in front of you, you hear things you ignored before.

    What work have you done so far in therapy?

    anita

     

    #219171
    Running
    Participant

    My therapy is based on psychoanalytic ideas. It works on a deeper level, the unconscious, through relationships, and doesn’t conflict with mindfulness. I’ve learnt a lot about myself through this work. I guess I have slowed down, even if I still have a long way to go.

    I find it very hard to bear some of my feelings. It’s what makes me want to run. I discovered recently that I was passed to a nanny when I was 2 months old. I stayed with my nanny’s family during the week and was returned to my parents over the weekend, and this was the arrangement until I was 2. It was like I was constantly being sent off, and constantly coming and going.

     

    #219191
    Prash
    Participant

    The process of slowing down is useful to help us find the unconscious/automatic patterns that we go through on a day to day basis. Realizing the causation of some of these does bring out painful feelings. But it also gives us an idea of how many myriad experiences go into constituting what we call – our life and its experiences; This to some extent gives us some freedom from the thought that we were to blame. At the same time, this awareness also entrusts us with the responsibility of doing things differently so that we don’t create more of the same pain. That is empowering.

    #219195
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Running:

    What it comes down to is fear. The purpose of fear in nature is to motivate an animal to protect itself from present danger, either by Running or Fighting (the flight/fight response, there is also the freeze response when an animal has no way to run or fight)

    Animals do not react to their environment unless they feel. They will not eat unless they feel hungry, will not fight unless they feel angry, will not mate unless they feel sexually stimulated, and so on. Animals will not run away from danger unless they feel fear. This is the natural, evolutionary purpose of feelings.

    Problem, mostly with humans, is that when we feel fear for too long, as children, we do that Freeze thing, because running or fighting is not an option. When we freeze for too long, the fear festers, it stays. And then we feel it, the fear, when we are not in danger because it festered and is there.

    Being mindful is slowing down. When you slow down, you will become more aware of your fear. This process cannot be rushed (mindfulness cannot be rushed) because fear is… scary. This is why it takes such a long time and lots of practice.

    anita

    #219197
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Running:

    One more thing, regarding being sent off to the nanny, you figured that this was the origin of your anxiety, that festered fear I mentioned?

    Your experience with your mother after your father left, if you would like to share more about it, please do. I will read attentively and respond.

    anita

    #219239
    Running
    Participant

    Dear Prash, thanks for your response.

    Yes, I get what you mean. And actually it did feel a bit freeing/calming reading what you wrote. I think because it helps to be reminded that there’s a reason or cause for the pain. I don’t feel so lost and helpless then. There can be some perspective and focus. I find it very difficult to hold onto that however. Something will happen that might seem really trivial on the outside, but it will trigger panic in me and my mind cannot stop. It’s like torture really. I suppose I am then creating more of the same pain?

    #219245
    Running
    Participant

    Dear Anita, thanks for your replies. Yes, I think you’re right. Fear festers describes what happens with me to a T. Often times, i actually feel like I’m just a carrier for all these worries and fears and panicky thoughts and feelings. I had a bad night’s sleep last night because I couldn’t stop the fear from taking over. It was a horrible feeling, just lying there and hoping to get some rest, but things just keep replaying in my mind, and I feel so beat up and tired now. What can I do during these times? Or what I can do in general? What steps can I take to help myself? I wonder if you could share your experience and your steps with me?

    I can see how slowing can help, I feel it helps to talk about things here for example, that slows it down for me. But when it gets bad, it feels very hard to be mindful. It feels like I’m beyond help at those times I think. The bad feelings, shame really come on.. and sometimes it becomes a deadening feeling.. I should just give up… and it reminds me of my mother. She was out of control a lot, but I think she was also ‘dead’ a lot. I don’t think I’ve ever had a conversation with her where she was simply interested in talking with and finding out about me. I’ll write more about her and my relationship with her in a next post. I think that will be a really long post and a really long read. I really appreciate you listening and responding to me.

    #219247
    Running
    Participant

    Ah! I only just found out how to reply to individual posts. I’ve just been adding replies at the bottom of the page.

    #219251
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Running:

    “I couldn’t stop the fear from taking over. It was a terrible feeling.. things just keep replaying in my mind.. What can I do during these times… in general? What steps can I take to help myself?”

    1. Make a list of activities that calm you, that have worked for you in the past, activities that are not harmful. One would be posting here (“that slows it down for me”). Other activities may be, you decide as it is about your experience, listening to music, taking a walk, going to the gym, listening to a guided meditation online, etc. At any one time try an item on the list that fits the circumstances you are in. Examples:  a guided meditation when you are in bed trying to sleep; a walk outdoors when at work during a break. Notice that at any one  time an item on the list will not work for you, but it may work next time. Over time re-evaluate and update your list.

    2. Decide on and follow a routine in your day and night, things you do the same, at about the same time every day. We are calmer within a routine, within a predictable structure to the day. Be flexible, re-evaluate and experiment with different routines.

    3. Consider taking a class of yoga, slow, mindful yoga where one holds the same position for a long time, or a class of tai chi, a slow motion martial art form. Slow movement is an amazing neurological/ muscular slowing down practice.

    4. Literally slow down, outside a yoga or tai chi context. When you wash dishes, wash them slowly. Do everything slowly. It is crazy making to do it for too long, of course, especially at the beginning, for a Running kind of guy, so do it as an experiment, for a short time, just a few minutes, here and there, see how that feels.

    5. Eliminate distressing relationships in your life. If a relationship with a particular person is full of unresolved conflicts, make you cringe, avoid it, get out of it.

    6. In general, review your life, activities, places, situations. Avoid those that are unhealthy and distressing and choose those that are healthy and calming.

    This is enough for now. Regarding your mother, she went from being out of control to being dead. Do you mean that she raged, was very loud, then went deathly quiet?

    anita

     

    #219269
    Running
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thanks for your suggestions. They sound like good ideas for me to try. I will make a list and adjust as I go along. I’m curious to see how that goes. I do like gardening and it’s helped me recover before. At night is harder, but I’ve found browsing something on the internet helps. I’ll try and do everything slowly. New concept. Tai chi sounds interesting. I think an AM PM routine sounds good for me.

    Actually I’m female. But I think I do feel like relationships with guys are more straightforward, because of my complicated relationship with my mother. Yes, my mother sometimes went very silent after an outburst, sometimes before, sometimes ignored me to punish in a passive aggressive way (I hated this), and then she would suddenly attack out of nowhere. It was really horrible and caught me or anyone on the receiving end off guard. There was also another side to her deadness. It just deadened everything around her. I was often so scared, even as a teenager or young adult … probably even now.. although she’s gotten mellower now and things look somewhat different now, but I still feel stressed and distressed a lot at the thought of her. The fear was and is like this killer. I was terrified of her as a child. She could kill someone with a look. And she was often in a bad mood, often seemed like she was suffering and nothing could penetrate this mood. It was like she was in her own bubble. I would feel under pressure to make it better, I would be scared and not know what’s going on with her, and felt like I didn’t know what to do. There’s so much to say about this and about my relationship with her.

    I was wondering – when you say eliminate distressing relationships from my life, those that make me cringe, feel full of conflicts – do you also mean relationships that I have gotten all tangled up in as a result of my yearning and replaying side? There are some relationships that I can more easily identify as being bad for me, but some are less easy. I’m not sure if it’s just me and maybe if it was somebody else in a healthier place, it would be completely fine. But maybe you mean that I should keep my distance anyway because it’s still causing me distress that I can’t manage or to repeat a pattern that I can’t yet help?

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