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  • #285257
    Anonymous
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    Dear Veronica:

    You are welcome. Learn and heal from your experience best you can. No need to get back with him and change things, not a good idea. But you can learn and heal so that you can be a good person with people you didn’t meet yet.

    In my own experience, a few years ago I was still feeling very guilty over a certain behavior (involving physical aggression). I felt guilty for over twenty years until I realized that there is only one thing that makes it okay for me to no longer suffer this guilt, and that is that I worked very hard, by that point, to heal from what caused me to do that behavior.

    There was and is no way for me to travel back in time and change what happened. If it was possible I would cross deserts and mountains so to not harm a particular person. But I can’t. What I can do is learn and heal so to not repeat that aggressive behavior with anyone, so to become a good person.

    anita

     

    #285369
    Veronica
    Participant

    Is it worth it to get closure? I just don’t understand how someone can be so sweet, caring, talk about marriage, and want to move to New York with me but then turn around and cheat, manipulate, ignore me, and be mean.

    #285383
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Veronica:

    I will be back to the computer in about ten hours from now and will reply to your recent post. I didn’t understand regarding your first sentence- what closure do you want with him and how do you think you can get that closure?

    Also, to make sure, the cheating (texting nudes) was that done while in the relationship with you or was it during one of the breakups?

    One more thing- did he ignore you following one of the time you  prosecuted/persecuted him (what we discussed recently)?

    And one last thing: how did he manipulate you?

    anita

    #285433
    Veronica
    Participant

    I guess just to make sense of it all, but then I think about how it’s probably not worth it. Yes, the cheating happened when we were together. Yes and no. One time I told him that I felt like he was losing feelings and would leave, looking bothered and would not talk to me for days. Another time I told him he was being rude to me a lot and he purposely  ignored me to prove how rude he can be. So sometimes I felt like my feelings were too much for him. He would become manipulating by telling me something never happened, or he never said what he said, making me seem crazy as if everything I said, I made up to make him look bad, then he would say “I would never say that, I’m not that type of person”.

    #285443
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Veronica:

    You wrote that you want to “make sense of it all”. I re-read and studied your posts trying to make sense of it best I can. It wasn’t easy, but this is my best understanding at this point of what happened:

    It was a two year (about March 2017-March 2019) on-again, off- again rollercoaster relationship. The first breakup was in May 2017 and the most recent this month, March 2019.

    A year into the relationship, you found out that he exchanged nude photos with other girls and sexted. But the whole year before this finding,  it was already a rollercoaster relationship with the first breakup being two months into the relationship.

    A very significant reason why the relationship was a rollercoaster is that you have been emotionally unhealthy. Before I proceed, I want to recommend that you attend quality psychotherapy as soon as possible so to put in motion your healing process. Having been myself emotionally unhealthy, I know that with the help of a capable psychotherapist, and with your hard work and perseverance, you can heal emotionally, distorted thinking can be corrected and untrue beliefs changed so to fit reality.

    You wrote yourself, “I’ve been pretty paranoid… paranoid and bitter… my mind would go to the worst case scenario and become paranoid all over again”.

    Paranoid, bitter and angry you tortured this young man as if he was a criminal: “I got so mad… to give him the benefit of the doubt… I was speaking to him rudely…I was rude… I went to his house to confront him…he gets super defensive.. he always said: ‘I’m trying to defend myself’.. he admitted to me that… he hung out… with the intent to have sex… I got mad…he probably did get tired of being accused… it wasn’t fair to him to be accused all the time”.

    You have looked for evidence against him: “I saw something on his social media that lead me to believe…  (and a year later,) I got this weird gut feeling to go through his phone and I found messages..”. You then confronted him with your evidence. Next he defended himself, “telling me something never happened or he never said..”, and he stops calling you, not wanting more of the same torture.

    You wrote: “He would become manipulative by telling me something never happened.. making me seem crazy as if everything I said, I made up to make him look bad”-

    -I don’t think he was manipulative when he denied your accusations, I think he was an accused man, tortured by his accuser, defending himself. I don’t think you made up your accusations, instead, you looked for things to accuse him by investigating his social media and phone records.

    You wrote: “I’m trying to make sense out of how can someone be so sweet, caring, talk about planning a future with me but then turn around and be cold, disrespectful, and ignore me. I don’t get it… I just don’t understand how someone can be so sweet, caring.. but then turn around and cheat, manipulate, ignore me, and be mean”-

    -when a person is being accused and abused, again and again, the person’s affection and sweetness naturally change to anger and coldness. The abused person naturally gets angry, all abused people get angry. And they naturally want to get away from the abuser. What happens is that the abuser then accuses the abused for getting angry and wanting to get away, adding these accusations the original accusations. This is what you did: you accused him of getting angry back and you accused him of trying to get away from you in addition to the original accusations, whatever they were at any one time.

    You wrote: “I have this feeling to fight for him but maybe cause that’s what I’ve always doe”- what you have done with him repeatedly from the beginning was not to fight for him, but to fight against him. Again and again.

    As I wrote, I hope you attend quality psychotherapy. Trying t0 get back with him so to fight against him some more is not a good idea. You are likely to look for more evidence against him, confront him, not being able to tell if he says the truth to you, doubting it, looking for more evidence against him and on and on and on.

    This dynamic is likely to happen again in a new relationship unless you take on the healing process.

    If you want to respond to this, please do and I would be glad to continue communicating with you.

    anita

    #285495
    Mark
    Participant

    Veronica,

    You are asking for input.  Whenever someone acts in a way that they are sorry for, I look for not only an apology but reassurance that they won’t do that again.  See below for one approach in an apology.

     I’m trying to make sense out of how can someone be so sweet, caring, talk about planning a future with me, travel with me but then turn around and be cold, disrspeful, and ignore me.

    You can interpret his actions another way, i.e. he is protecting himself emotionally or he can feel ashamed on the way he acted or he is afraid in damaging the relationship.  Regardless, there could be a myriad of reasons why he is behaving this way.  Relationships are maintained and grow based on how well you trust and communicate with each other.

    Here is a way to apologize and perhaps that will help get the communication flowing again.

    Mark

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    How to Apologize Appropriately
    In in the Journal of Psycholinguistic Research, psychologists Steven Scher and John Darley present a four-step framework that you can use when you make an apology.

    Step 1: Express Remors
    Every apology needs to start with two magic words: “I’m sorry,” or “I apologize.” This is essential because these words express remorse over your actions.

    For example, you could say: “I’m sorry that I snapped at you yesterday. I feel embarrassed and ashamed by the way I acted.”

    Your words need to be sincere and authentic. Be honest with yourself, and with the other person, about why you want to apologize. Never make an apology when you have ulterior motives, or if you see it as a means to an end.

    Timeliness is also important here. Apologize as soon as you realize that you’ve wronged someone else.

    Step 2: Admit Responsibility
    Next, admit responsibility for your actions or behavior, and acknowledge what you did.

    Here, you need to emphasize with the person you wronged, and demonstrate that you understand how you made her feel.

    Don’t make assumptions – instead, simply try to put yourself in that person’s shoes and imagine how she felt.

    For example: “I know that I hurt your feelings yesterday when I snapped at you. I’m sure this embarrassed you, especially since everyone else on the team was there. I was wrong to treat you like that.”

    Step 3: Make Amends
    When you make amends, you take action to make the situation right.

    Here are two examples:

    • “If there’s anything that I can do to make this up to you, please just ask.”
    • “I realize that I was wrong to doubt your ability to chair our staff meeting. I’d like you to lead the team through tomorrow’s meeting to demonstrate your skills.”

    Think carefully about this step. Token gestures or empty promises will do more harm than good. Because you feel guilty, you might also be tempted to give more than what’s appropriate – so be proportionate in what you offer.

    Step 4: Promise That It Won’t Happen Again
    Your last step is to explain that you won’t repeat the action or behavior.

    This step is important because you reassure the other person that you’re going to change your behavior. This helps you rebuild trust and repair the relationship.

    You could say: “From now on, I’m going to manage my stress better, so that I don’t snap at you and the rest of the team. And, I want you to call me out if I do this again.”

    Make sure that you honor this commitment in the days or weeks to come – if you promise to change your behavior, but don’t follow through, others will question your reputation and your trustworthiness.

    #285499
    Veronica
    Participant

    I apologized to him A week ago for our previous argument and he said he forgives me, so would it be right to go back and apologize again. Is it fair to him for me to come back into his life?

    #285505
    Mark
    Participant

    Veronica,

    This guy is now an ex.  This is more a FYI for the next guy.

    Time to move on.

    Mark

     

    #285559
    Tony
    Participant

    I’m gonna go with a different analogy on this and it’s very clear.

    Do you love him?

    If answer is yes then you need to “fight” because in our lives we truly love only few people.

    Also, when it comes to “time heals” quotes and “love yourself” just be warned it has nothing to do in situations where you truly love someone. If you don’t “fight” believe me, life will make “coincidental” things happen in your life that will make you fight for this love of yours. When true love is in the air, you cannot escape it.

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