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August 20, 2025 at 3:02 pm #448807
Peter
ParticipantHi Alessa
No need to apologize the idea behind stories was to let people see what they will in them so me saying I ‘missed the mark’ kind of undermined that. Of course I didn’t notice till I clicked post, I assume because the ‘universe’ thinks that funny. I wish they brought back the window to edit. Still all good.I think, from my own experience and observations, that its near imposable not to project our fears and hopes into virtual world conversations where the only tool we have is language. As you note if such is the case, trust is important if not the key.
I hated book reports even though, or maybe because, I really struggled saying what I wanted to say. Primary because I can’t spell to save my life, which meant I limited myself to the words I would use, and even then, would lose all the points for grammar and spelling so I would always only just pass. Of course I took that a meaning I was stupid because that’s what we do when where young and don’t know better.
Today we have all these wonderful tool but even then one has to be careful. Ai will tell you what you want to hear. I use it to check my grammar and flow and then argue with it when it starts changing what I’m trying to saying and you can learn quite a bit doing that.
You wont be surprised to learn that I have filled notebooks with quotes from books I read, then spend years linking ideas from different sources. Now I can revisit those thoughts, test the connections, and really explore them. But I still need to be careful using these tools.
August 21, 2025 at 11:57 am #448857Alessa
ParticipantHi Peter
I miss the edit function too. 😊
I guess for me, working on my fears helps me to be less afraid.
I’ve been really enjoying talking to you and getting to know you some more. I think you’re a really pure soul. ❤️
I would never have known that you struggled with these things because you are an excellent writer! I understand what it is like to have difficulty with some things. Maths and anything to do with symbols are my weakness. Everyone has different strengths. I’m glad that you can see your strengths now.
I think it’s really amazing that you didn’t let having difficulty with something deter you from enjoying it and exploring it. You have really honed your craft! ❤️
Was there a reason that you decided to stick with it?
Yes, I am very aware of the flaws with AI because I’m an IT student. It is a shame because people can be really easily mislead by it. It’s basically designed to try and make the person using it feel comfortable at any cost. It is one of those cases of if it is free you are the product. It is designed to encourage people to use it as much as possible.
I’m glad that it helps you, because it can be a useful tool when used mindfully, which you are. It is a shame that it takes so much effort to encourage the software not to actively mislead people. It’s a really big problem. I know people who are tech savvy who have been mislead by it. It’s very much on the user to call it out on its mistakes and it takes repeatedly challenging it.
Particularly when analyzing conflict it is very deceptive. I have had to teach people how to remove bias from their inputs. It is really unfortunate because people can use it with good intentions, trying to learn and grow, while it gaslights them. It’s a real shame. Some states in the US are even banning them from being used as a therapeutic tool for this exact reason.
August 22, 2025 at 6:50 am #448883Peter
ParticipantHi Alessa
I’m not sure I’d say I “stuck with it” though I wonder if its a choice. Often, I’ve wished I could stop what feels like an endless quest to answer the first question every child asks: why? Lately, though, I’ve been exploring how to balance that search by moving from the head and into the heart. Learning to rest in the rhythm of head and heart has softened, and sometimes even quieted, my restless mind.
I agree that using AI as a therapist is problematic, something AI itself will confirm.. or maybe it just told me what I wanted to hear because of how I asked the question. 😊
What many people don’t realize is how much the way you ask a question and the prompt you use shapes the response. Even framing the interaction as a safe space versus a brave space can significantly influence the tone and depth of the conversation. In my view, anyone using AI for meaningful dialogue should at least understand the basics of prompt design.
In my work, I’ve been exploring how AI applications are tested, and it’s clear that traditional deterministic methods aren’t enough. Everything is so dynamic. Testing for bias, in particular, is one of the hardest challenges because fairness is context dependent and culturally nuanced. I would imagen that anyone doing that work needs to be aware of their own biases and perhaps even engage in deeper self-reflection such as shadow work. Ironically, at a time when bias and diversity training is being questioned, we may need that very training to use AI responsibly as the support tool it could be.
Used wisely, AI has the potential to broaden our perspectives; used unwisely, it risks trapping us in our bubbles.
August 24, 2025 at 12:43 am #448922Alessa
ParticipantHi Peter
That makes sense. It is in your nature to question and the drive was stronger than your discomfort. Unintended, but possibly it taught you that it is possible to overcome difficulties and learn to strengthen weaknesses?
Why did you wish to stop your drive to question? Was it because of the restlessness that you mentioned? Or other things too?
Sorry for all of the questions. It is okay if you don’t want to answer. I’m just curious. ❤️
Oh definitely, leading questions are a problem. They often reveal our personal beliefs, feelings and desires which AI immediately latches onto.
Wow, that’s very cool you work with AI. It sounds very interesting! I’m sure that you know a lot more about it than me. 😊
Yes, I feel like AI is beneficial if used correctly. It is just unfortunately, not intuitive for people to use like that at the moment sadly.
My therapist is a specialist in trauma, autism and post birth care. She has been encouraging me to explore other people’s perspectives and empathise with them even when they differ from my own experience in times of conflict. The goal is to be more understanding instead of focusing on my own hurt feelings. Doing this, I’ve noticed actually allows me to feel less hurt when I see that others are having difficulties too instead of seeing the situation as hurting me.
Sometimes I find it helpful to use AI to get a sense of what others feelings might be in different situations (I ask about what others might experience in the situation and include as much context as possible). It is hard for me to imagine without talking to the person directly about their experience you see.
Also for analyzing conflict. I have noticed it is beneficial to anonymise data so AI can’t identify me and skew the results. And to understand unhealthy behaviours I ask for all unhealthy behaviours in a conversation to be flagged. This way I can see my own unhealthy behaviours, as well as others.
Summaries of conversations, I find helpful too. It is interesting to ask for a detailed analysis too.
I find that I get a clearer picture about what is actually going on. As opposed to falsely confirming what I’m feeling.
It is interesting realising that too much validation can actually be harmful. Especially when neurodivergence is involved because there are often limitations in understanding others perspectives and situations.
Take care ❤️
August 25, 2025 at 10:43 am #448963Peter
ParticipantThis quote from Fredrik Backman – My Friends – stood out to me as a kind of mirror polishing cloth.
It’s hard to tell a story, any story, but it’s almost impossible if it’s your own. You always start at the wrong end, always say too much or too little, always miss the most important parts…
Stories are complicated, memories are merciless, our brains only store a few moments from the best days of our lives, but we remember every second of the worst….
It’s twenty-five years ago, “Ted says, as if he’s trying to convince himself that it’s nothing to cry over.
Louisa sobs furiously: Not for me! I wasn’t there! For me, it’s happening NOW! – Fredrik Backman – My FriendsThere are moments when I feel like Louisa, when the past isn’t past, and the story being told is still unfolding inside me. The line between then and now blurs, and I find myself stumbling over it.
To be candid, this dissonance creates a kind of anxiety I can’t seem to shake. I wonder if I’m not seeing clearly, if my way of relating to the world is somehow flawed. It’s difficult to hold my space when the dominant rhythms around me feel so different…
This Monday, I find myself wondering if others feel this way? That the telling of our stories and the way we tell them might be a mistake? It’s so easy to doubt when we feel out of step with the world… that we are flawed somehow, or simply different…
August 25, 2025 at 10:36 pm #448978silvery blue
ParticipantI wouldn’t share my story again, because I don’t identify with it anymore.
Something happened. Maybe I got older. I don’t know. Something clicked.
It’s all so far away… I have more and more fond memories of my childhood in my mind, which I forgot.
I know that someone would say “It’s not true. Childhood defines you.” or “You are just suppressing your real memories.”, … because they don’t hear me, they only project their own story on me.
I really choose who I can trust with my story confidentially and safely, without them trying to rewrite my story. ❤️
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August 26, 2025 at 4:02 am #448981Alessa
ParticipantHi Everyone
I used to worry about the past memories and feelings unfolding into the present. But I was relieved to learn that according to Buddhism it is normal, just a part of the present and being human. Something to be accepted with compassion and not fought against or judged.
I’ve been learning about Abhidharma, very early stages. It seems like a vast topic. It seems to me from what I’ve learned so far that everyone has these stories.
The way that I think about it is that they are just one small part of me. I have let some stories go, others linger. There is so much more than the stories. Perhaps, the only reason I feel that stories define me is when I believe it believe that to be true.
Interestingly, most of our brain development is done by the age of 5.
Gratitude practice has helped me a lot. I have more positive memories than negative now.
I suppose like anything else, sharing stories can be good or bad. It depends on the purpose and the outcome.
If you’d like to share your story. You are welcome to Peter. If you don’t want to, of course that is fine too. ❤️
There is nothing wrong with being different. Some of my favourite people are different. You are not alone. ❤️
One of my friends practices what I would describe as radical acceptance. It is very interesting. No part of the human experience is “bad” just to be accepted. I’m fascinated with his perspective at the moment.
I’m glad that you found your peace Yana. ❤️
August 26, 2025 at 8:10 am #448993Peter
ParticipantI think its wise, as you say silvery blue, to be discerning with whom we share our stories. And I like the rhythm expressed in letting stories go and lettings some linger… a movement from definition to unfolding presence
There’s a Buddhist teaching known as the Parable of the Two Arrows. The first arrow is life: pain, loss, disappointment. It strikes without warning. The second arrow is the one we fire ourselves: the rumination, the retelling, the self-blame. The suffering we create in response to the pain. The stories when shared to freely, I think, to easily becomes a second arrow, not because it’s false, but of our tendency toe hold such things too tightly and letting it define us too narrowly.
I’m finding I’m not a fan of the word ‘define’. The word “define” seems so small, yet it carries the weight of containment. To define is to say “this is what it is, and nothing more.” And when applied to the self, it can become a kind of trap, especially when stories, roles, or past experiences are mistaken for the whole of who we are.
It’s no surprise to me that wisdom traditions spend so much effort, or non-effort, 😊 untying the knots that definition creates. They don’t reject the story, but they refuse to let it become a cage. In Advaita Vedanta, the phrase “Tat Tvam Asi” – “Thou art That” – is a direct challenge to the idea that the self can be defined like a word. The words at first glance might appeared to define however these words don’t try to erase the knot but embraces it, and by embracing it dissolves it.
“I am That” is not a definition; it’s a recognition that the deepest truth of the self is not a fixed identity, but the infinite, the un-nameable, the whole. And we are that!
If I say, “I am defined by my story,” I am speaking from the ego’s need for clarity. Oh how I love clarity ☹ But if we begin to ask, “What if I am That which holds the story?” we step into the space of the Self. The story still matters, but it no longer confines. It becomes a thread in a much larger tapestry.
I liked how Fredrik Backman handled the subject in his book ‘My Friends’ The story revolves around telling a young woman the story behind a painting of friends of a long-ago summer. Tears were shed but so was laughter. The story didn’t constrict or define though it could have. Instead, the characters allowed for the creating of space for the young woman Louisa to enter. Allowing the story to continue in its unfolding in her. In the story Louisa keeps looking for the happy ending only to discover she is the happy ending.
I feel that matches the Sufi wisdom where the self is seen as a mirror reflecting divine qualities. To define oneself too rigidly is to obscure the mirror. The path is not to hold onto stories, but to let them dissolve into presence.
August 27, 2025 at 10:51 am #449015Peter
ParticipantI wasn’t sure if I was going to share the story of ‘Layla’s Descent’ as it came not from theory or belief, but from experience.
Layla’s descent does not promise healing, clarity, or light. It offers no steps, no guarantees. It is not a path to follow, but perhaps a rhythm to feel… if and when it comes. Some may read this and feel nothing. Some may descend and find only silence. That possibility breaks my heart because I know what it is to wait in the dark and not be met.
A part of me wonders if it might be seen as wishful thinking, magical language dressed in metaphor. But I also know this: truth and myth often walk together. And sometimes, what seems like wishful thinking is simply a language for what cannot be said any other way.
So, I offer this story as a lantern. It may not light your way. But perhaps, in a quiet moment, it will remind you that someone else has walked through the dark, and found something waiting not to fix them, but to meet them, and that as only a beginning.
Layla’s Descent
Before Layla began seeking, she trusted life deeply, but her trust was not rooted in herself. It was founded on others. Others who perhaps intentionally but more often unintentionally left a wound not easily named. At the time, she didn’t understand it as betrayal born of the pain not her own. Instead, she assumed the fault was hers: a quiet, lingering shame that she was not enough.
It wasn’t just the hurt that lingered, but the way it unraveled her sense of safety, her ability to believe in the goodness of closeness.
Her family and community had offered teachings: Forgive quickly. Trust again, have Faith. Pain is a lesson… But these words, though well-meaning, felt like stones pressed into her hands when she needed balm.
In those early years, Layla felt like a sparrow trapped in a silo, fluttering toward every crack that let in light, only to find the light too narrow to escape through.
Layla did not choose the descent. It chose her.
The betrayal had shattered something fundamental, not just her trust, but her sense of belonging. The teachings she had inherited from her family and community, once warm and guiding, now felt like distant stars, beautiful, but unreachable.
Still, she tried to hold onto them. She repeated their phrases like prayers. But they no longer fit. They were garments sewn for someone else.
And so, she fell. Not gracefully. Not willingly. But at least honestly.
The silo was not a metaphor then; it was her world. A place of cold walls and dim light. She was the sparrow, fluttering toward every crack, every sliver of brightness. But the light was cruel in its insufficiency. It showed her what might be but never offered a way through.
In time, she began to resent the light. It felt like mockery.
And that was when the descent truly began.
She stopped seeking escape. She let herself feel the despair not as failure, but as reality. She sat in the silence, in the ache, in the rawness of being alone. She did not try to rise. She did not try to heal.
She simply stayed.
What felt like years passed but who can measure such things when falling in the dark…
Yet in that staying, something shifted. The silo did not break open. It dissolved.
Not all at once, but slowly as she began to see that its walls were made of language and measurements, labels inherited but never claimed. Expectations. Roles. Definitions of strength and goodness that had never been hers.
She did not rise from the silo. She walked out of it, not by climbing upward, but inward.
There, in the soil of her own heart, she found a rhythm. Not of light only, but of light and her own dark beauty.
And that was the day she came upon Zahir, whom she watched from a distance…
The story above began long ago in silence, in sorrow, in the slow unraveling of what was once trusted and failed to bring connection. And yet, I know this story is not mine alone. I see Layla’s descent, her silence, her rhythm echo in others, often quietly, often unseen.
Most of us I suspect, at some point, for some reason, find ourselves in the silo, clinging to scraps of light, hoping they will be enough. That they might make us enough… We flutter toward cracks, mistaking glimpses for freedom. We inherit teachings, wear them like garments, and wonder why they don’t fit.
Many remain in the silo, not out of weakness, but because the scraps of light are all they’ve known. This truth breaks my heart, not in judgment, but in recognition. From that heartbreak, compassion arises, the only “word” that fits. Sometimes, it comes like a hush from within, so deep it feels like prayer, perhaps what prayer is meant to be…
The descent unfortunately cannot be taught. It can only be lived as it begins not with answers, but with ache. Layla learned to walk inward, and in doing so, she found something not given but grown, a foundation of trust and resilience within…
So, if Layla story finds you at a time of descent, may she accompany you as a friend… of dark beauty.
August 27, 2025 at 11:45 pm #449025Alessa
ParticipantHi Everyone
I like the idea of the story being contained within us, not being the story ourselves.
Unfortunately, because of severe trauma. I feel like stories run in the background for me. It’s not necessarily a conscious choice. I have done my best to sort out the conscious stuff. Even well intended things can have a story in the background.
Perfection, unlovable, not safe, no trust, in pain, hungry.
Doesn’t sound like a story to define me at all anymore. Just a memory from childhood. I’m trying to be more mindful of when these things creep in. I want to act without a story secretly driving it behind the scenes.
A beautiful story Peter, thanks for sharing! ❤️
I always thought of these things as climbing out of an abyss.
As a child, I could climb out of it myself being blissfully ignorant of reality. But when that ignorance was shattered by the harshness of reality, the weight of my trauma immobilised me. I needed help to fight my way out of it. I didn’t know how, someone had to show me the way. I learned to trust things that I don’t understand yet.
I try to gather teachings. Carry them with me. Looking at them from time to time. Some I don’t understand yet, I will know when the time is right. Some I am drawn to like a magpie. I learned to put those ones on even when I don’t understand them. I don’t mind not understanding consciously yet, the draw is enough. Something in me sees it for what it is.
I can climb out of the abyss faster now. I’ve done it many times. I don’t mind asking for help when I need it. It gets me out that much faster.
Everyone has their own way. ❤️❤️❤️
August 29, 2025 at 5:36 am #449058silvery blue
ParticipantThank you, Peter, for sharing your story – it really touched me. I would like to read it again and stay with it for a while.
I sometimes feel so sad when I see people like Layla… a little sparrow trapped in a silo… I see myself as a little buttefly… flying on top of a silo, stretching my little legs out to reach them, but sparrows are too heavy for a butterfly… and they fall deeper and deeper… seeing it… being a witness… not being able to do anything… it’s terribly frustrating…
I feel like I suffer from not being able to help… it’s hard for me to accept that someone has to suffer like this… sometimes I even feel guilty.
You are very talented, by the way!
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August 29, 2025 at 9:13 am #449068Peter
ParticipantHi Alessa
Reading your post the following question came to mind:
– Is story the medium through which we experience reality, or is it a veil that obscures it?
– Can we ever be free of story, or is freedom found in choosing which stories we live by?
– What happens when trauma writes the story for us, and how do we reclaim authorship?I’ve often wondered about the nature of story and our experience of life. The way story, language, and meaning intertwine with our experience, often beneath the surface. My observation is that we relate to experience through language, a medium that often obscures as much as it reveals. Often the way language obscures the door to revelation, when we are prepared not to know. In this way I image that thought and word spoken as “story telling”.
Story then isn’t just something we tell; it’s something we live. And if story is the way we live, then prayer might be the way we inhabit that story with intention and grace. Every thought, every word, even silence, can carry narrative weight. Here the words of Paul come to mind – “Pray without ceasing.” – Not so much the common notion of prayer as petition and such but more as Layla discovered as a arising of compassion. Here every breath is a prayer, a sacredness in the act of living itself.
Exploring the notion of Continual prayer, I’ve found that it isn’t just spiritual, it’s bot somatic and a psychological practice. It can regulate the nervous system, reframe identity, and create a sanctuary within. When every breath is a prayer, and every thought part of our story, then perhaps the act of living, especially with awareness, can be both a narrative and a sacred offering?
August 29, 2025 at 9:19 am #449070Peter
ParticipantHi silvery blue (such a great handle)
I very much relate to the sorrow of seeing someone like Layla, a sparrow in a silo, and the longing to help, and knowing you can’t.
I’ve come to see Layla not just as a person, but as an anima figure in the Jungian sense. She represents the descent, the inner journey, the confrontation with darkness that we must face alone. She also represents the return from such a descent.
I see ‘Layla’s Descent’ as a mirror of the Dark Night of the Soul, a spiritual and psychological passage where light disappears, and one must walk through shadow to find transformation. I don’t view it as a punishment, but a passage. And while it’s painful to witness, I’ve come to believe that these descents are deeply personal that can’t be bypassed, or rescued from, without risking the integrity of the transformation.
I’m reminded of the story of the butterfly: someone sees it struggling to emerge from its cocoon and, wanting to help, gently opens it. But the butterfly, having skipped the struggle, lacks the strength to fly. The effort was necessary. The pain a part of the becoming.
So, when I see Layla, or anyone in that descent, I feel the ache, but I also try to hold space to be present. To trust that the descent is not the end, but the beginning. That the soil of suffering may yet yield something beautiful, silvery blue. And maybe, just maybe, the presence of a butterfly above the silo is enough, not to lift the sparrow, but to remind her that flight is possible.
I’m working on a Layla story to show that in her way she learns how to fly.
August 29, 2025 at 11:41 am #449078Peter
ParticipantThe Still Point
Layla sat beside Zahir on the ancient stone, its surface worn smooth by time and weather, as if the earth itself had been waiting for this moment. The valley below shimmered in the late light, and the wind carried the scent of cedar and memory.
Zahir placed a pebble between them. “Do you feel it?” he asked.
Layla looked inward. She felt the pulse of the earth beneath her, the slow turning of the planet, the breath of the cosmos moving through her lungs. She felt the ache of longing, not for something, but from something. A longing that had no object, only direction.
“The wind?” she asked.
Zahir smiled. “The stillness.”
Layla closed her eyes. Inside, she saw motion, thoughts like birds, desires like rivers, memories like stars. But beneath them, something else. A vastness. A stillness that was not empty, but full. Not absence, but presence.
She remembered a phrase she had once heard: “A circle without circumference, whose center is everywhere.” She had not understood it then. Now, sitting on a rock spinning through space, she did.
Stillness was not the opposite of motion. It was the heart of it. The unmoved mover. The center that does not hold, because it does not need to.
She opened her eyes and gazed at the pebble between them, its smallness suddenly vast. She felt as though she were looking into a star, or perhaps into herself.
“Zahir,” she said softly, “how can the center be everywhere? Doesn’t a center need a boundary to define it?”
Zahir looked at her, eyes reflecting the sky. “Only in the world of form. In the world of essence, the center is not a point, it is presence. It is not located but revealed.”
Layla touched her chest. “Then this… this ache I feel, is it the center calling?”
Zahir nodded. “It is the echo of unity. The ache is not separation, it is remembrance. You ache because you are not apart, but you have forgotten.”
She closed her eyes again. The wind moved through her hair like a whisper. She felt the earth turning, the stars singing in silence, the breath of all things moving through her own.
“I feel like I am dissolving,” she said. “Not vanishing but becoming… everything.”
Zahir smiled. “That is the truth. The same breath that moves the galaxies moves through you.”
Layla opened her eyes. The valley was still there, but now it shimmered, not with light, but with meaning. She looked at Zahir, and for a moment, she saw not a teacher, but reflection of herself.
“Then there is no separation,” she whispered.
“None,” Zahir replied. “Only the illusion of edges. The circle has no circumference, because it was never drawn. It was always here.”
As the wind moved through the valley, Layla felt something within her begin to dissolve, not into nothingness, but into everything. The boundaries she had clung to, her name, her story, her sorrow softened like mist in morning light.
She turned to Zahir, but he was no longer just a man beside her. He was the mountain, the wind, the silence. And she, too, was no longer just Layla. She was the breath between words, the stillness beneath motion, the center that had no place and yet was everywhere.
“I don’t know who I am,” she whispered.
Zahir’s voice was gentle. “You are not who you think. You are what remains when thinking falls away.”
She felt no fear in the unknowing. Only spaciousness. A vast, luminous presence that did not need a name.
The ache she had carried for so long, her longing for home, for meaning, for rest, was not gone. But it had changed. It was no longer a wound. It was a doorway.
She saw the valley not as something outside her, but as something within. The trees breathed with her. The sky mirrored her silence. The stars, though distant, pulsed with the same rhythm as her heart.
“I am the circle,” she said. “Not drawn but known.”
Zahir nodded. “And the center is not a place. It is the knowing itself.”
Layla closed her eyes. She did not vanish. She did not ascend. She simply sat on a rock spinning through space, in a body made of stars, in a silence that sang.
Layla breathed in, no longer as a seeker, but as the sought…
August 29, 2025 at 11:45 am #449079Peter
ParticipantI will be unplugging for a while, plan too anyway.
Here is a story to which I aim…
Layla’s Return
Layla returned to the village as the sun dipped below the hills, casting long shadows that seemed to bow before her. She walked the familiar paths, greeted familiar faces, but something had changed, not in the world, but in her.
She no longer moved with urgency. Her steps were deliberate, her gaze soft. She listened more than she spoke, and when she did speak, her words felt like water, clear, necessary, and nourishing.
Some noticed.
The baker, who had once seen her rush past each morning, paused and asked, “You seem… lighter.”
Layla smiled. “I’m not carrying as much.”
The teacher, who had known her as restless and searching, asked, “Did you find what you were looking for?”
Layla looked at the sky. “I stopped looking. And it found me.”
Some were unsettled.
“She’s changed,” whispered the merchant. “She used to be so driven.”
“She’s lost her fire,” said another.
But the old woman who sat by the well each day simply nodded. “No,” she said. “She’s found the flame that doesn’t burn.”
Layla did not try to explain. She knew that the stillness she had touched could not be described, only lived. She tended her garden, shared her bread, and sat often in silence. And in that silence, others began to feel something stir, something ancient, something still.
She was no longer seeking. She was no longer becoming. She was a mirror. And in her presence, others began to see themselves.
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