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October 17, 2017 at 11:15 am #173577Andy O’SullivanParticipant
So Guys, this is a long one, so sorry.
I am one week away from the anniversary of my Heart Attack, whilst on a cruise with my 14 year old boy. This was the 2nd tough event of the year, the 3rd was to split from my girlfriend of 4 years.
So here goes. I was with a beautiful Indian Lady that I met on a dating site, we lived 70 miles away but the distance wasn’t an issue at first as she was going through a really horrible divorce (my first mistake, my gut said walk, my heart said give her a chance). She initially told me that she was living in an apartment near to her mum and dads so visiting her would be an issue as culturally it wasn’t the done thing. When we went out for meals, she would be like a rabbit in the headlights and constantly looking over her shoulder in fear of seeing her ex-husband who used to beat her, cheat on her and humiliate her and the kids in public.
My gut feeling from very early on was that this guy would never let her go.
It became clear as our relationship developed that she was living with her parents and not on her own. I sort of understood why she couldn’t be upfront about her arrangements at first as this is a big thing for an Indian woman. The death of her marriage was when she had an affair, yet her ex had 100’s. She was the proverbial whore in her cultures eyes.
Her ex wanted a clean break, they had 2 kids and shared custody. Even though the ex wanted a clean break he’d be calling, texting and badgering her, her parents and their kids. After the divorce, we chose a house together, I moved jobs to allow us to spend more time together, I met her entire family, even attending her brothers wedding. I had fallen hook, line and sinker for her.
I knew that I would have to make the larger compromises for us to be together, I was seeing my son twice every week and this would reduce to twice every fortnight, yet I’d have him school holidays. My hear was set on a family unit. Yet there was always this nagging feeling that stuck in my head. What will she be like if there was a major issue back home or if I was ill, would she be willing to compromise some of the cultural stuff to support me or my family as I was doing for her.
This brings us to January 2016, even before than, we’d had some on and off situations where she had shown our relationship what I felt to be disrespect and I would walk away for a period hurt and upset at some of the stuff that went on. Most notably every Christmas, the arrangements would change, in 4 years we spent only half a day with my family. The rest revolved around my ex’s family or her kids alone, their father would state what was happening and that was it. Or one family wedding that I wasn’t allowed to attend as we were not married. I’d said for her to stay at her parents and she was insistent on coming back to our house so I stayed up waiting for her to make sure she got home ok. My son was staying with us for the first time that weekend also. I get a text at midnight to say “Staying at Mums, Speak tomorrow x”. Personally, I think our relationship was worth more than that.
So back to January last year. During the Christmas break, it became apparent that my Dad was really ill and getting worse. After having tests, he was diagnosed with Lung Cancer. I’d already said to my ex that I think that this Christmas would be my dads last one. It was a gut feeling I had. So with the tests looming and also approaching Dads 65th Birthday, we arranged a family meal for everyone. I asked my ex thinking it wouldn’t be a problem as the date was done to work along side her work diary. I asked her to ask her kids if they’d like to attend. By this time, we knew Dad was terminal. Her response was, we aren’t coming, I’m working that weekend as I want to spend quality time with my kids and I’ve taken 2 days off in the week. Now that would have been fine had the kids been off of school, they weren’t so she’d have been taking them to school, I’d have picked them up as I worked in that area. So in effect she shunned my Dads last ever birthday with us. She apologised and explained that she wasn’t thinking.
Dad was on chemo and approaching fathers day (his last) I made the suggestion that we go to my ex’s in the morning and drive to mine in the afternoon so that we could spend time with my dad and my son. On that same day, her cousin was getting engaged, the day before her sister was also getting engaged. I’d said well let’s go to your sisters engagement and make our apologies to your cousin. This was met with mmmms and ahhs and she said she’d speak to them. The Friday before Fathers Day, my dad was rushed in to hospital as he was bleeding excessively from his mouth due to the chemo. It was decided that he had to come off the treatment, meaning he was now end of life and had a couple of months to live. If the boot was on the other foot, I’d have been my my ex’s side in a shot. No question as I knew what coming of chemo meant. My ex went to both parties and spent no time with us at all. I messaged her on the Sunday having not heard from her saying, marevellous, you just bother about your family and I’ll bother about mine. This being sarcastic as I’d heard hardly anything on the Saturday, her sisters engagement and one good morning message on father day.
In addition to this, we’d discussed a family holiday, that I would pay for the 5 of us. However, her ex planted the seed that he and his new wife were too busy to take their kids anywhere so could she take them and he would pay for all of them. However, if me and my son went, the bill was on us and he wouldn’t contribute. I was fine with paying. However, the dates that we had said we would book were 8 weeks away from when dad came of chemo. So again, I tried to be reasonable and suggest we put our holiday back 6 weeks until the next school holiday. we were looking to go to Dubai so the weather wouldn’t have been an issue. I’d already explained to my son what was happening. I asked my ex to speak to her kids and explain. However, the response she told me was that the kids didn’t see us as family and they want quality time with their mum. Again as a parent, if my lad had said that, I’d have been horrified and would have explained that my ex had supported us through a tough period and it was out turn to support them, the holiday could wait for a little while. So, the day after my dad died, off they went to Duabi. My ex did come up to be with me after my dad had died though. However, the whole week of him being in hospital we fought as she took her ex’s money and booked the holiday which really made me angry.. She wanted to come and say goodbye to dad and I wouldn’t let her (a mistake on my part as I should have been the bigger person).
I can promise you that if this was the other way around, I’d be going nowhere.
So, October last year, I am on a Cruise with my son and I decide to have a heart attack. I’m dropped off in France and have to have a stent. My mum and ex-wife came over to France, my ex-wife took our son home and my mum stayed with my until I was fit to fly home. I explained to my ex that on my return home that I wouldn’t be able to drive and that could she take some time off. She told me that she would sort it out. I got home on Friday, not once was I asked what time I was landing (if it was me, I’d have been at the airport waiting for her). I called her after she had finished work to see if she had sorted something out and she said she’d come up on Sunday and that she was going out with friends that evening. As you can imagine, I went mad again and walked.
We did get back together again. Probably because I wasn’t in a good place at all what with losing my dad and having the HA, I wasn’t emotionally strong enough to leave. However, as time went on, I couldn’t stand to be near her, I’d never been hurt or treated like that ever by anyone. I’ve not been an angel and I have made mistakes big ones in this relationship but not to that extent.
I initially thought I was expecting too much. She told me it was difficult for her and that she didn’t understand. Earlier this year I decided to call it a day as I was just so full of anger towards her. Lots of that anger was caused by grief but there was some that was from the choices she made. I said some awful, awful things to her in an email, some home truths and warnings I’d had from her closest brother who’d said to look after myself with her. I regret this email but I was consumed with anger and hate for her at the time.
I’ve been going along great for 6 months, I’ve met a lovely lady now who I care for deeply and we are falling in love. There is no baggage of ex’s, it’s quite mundane to be honest but it’s lovely. However, I got stuck in traffic last week and 2 cars away, there she was. She then came up as a friend suggestion on Social Media (something she’s never done) and then last weekend, my cousin sent me a picture of my ex on a dating website at the and it’s hit me like a bolt, all of a sudden, I miss her and see her in a different light, the way I saw her when we met. Her pictures have her smiling but her eyes are full of saddness, I’ve seen her happy pictures and can see the difference. I also see the whole of last year differently, I see the cultural challenges she faced, I feel her ex manipulated a situation to cause trouble for her (he took the kids away for a week the day after my ex got back from Dubai with them). I miss what we had for the first few years. However, it’s true what they say, you don’t really know someone until you spend real time with them.
I also see where I failed as a man. I stopped being the man she could lean on and who would keep her away from the rocks to someone who pushed her towards them. So no doubt,, she saw me totally differently too.
Even as I’ve written this I’ve gone through every range of emotion possible and it’s helped me see that it wasn’t a good realtionship. Yet why then do I still get this feeling of wanting to be with her, holding her, protecting her and being the rock for her kids whom I miss so much?
I know, I am in a better position now but these feelings have come from nowhere and I’m having to hide them when I speak to my new lady who is amazing.
Thanks for reading.
October 17, 2017 at 12:30 pm #173591AnonymousGuestDear Andy O’Sullivan:
You asked: “why then do I still get this feeling of wanting to be with her, holding her, protecting her and being the rock for her kids..?”-
Maybe you were driven then to save a “damsel in distress” and your current girlfriend, although lovely and amazing, is not a damsel in distress. You recently saw sadness in her eyes and you want to help her. If my guess is correct, and it is a guess, then the motivation to help a damsel in distress draws you to her.
What do you think?
anita
October 17, 2017 at 2:09 pm #173597AndyParticipantHi Anita
In some part yes, it’s been a bit of a pattern with a couple of ex’s.
My previous girlfriend smashed her leg in an Accident before we met. She wrote to me earlier this years, 5 years after we broke up thanking me for the love and commitment I gave her and her kids and apologizing for her behavior that forced us to part. She was wanting to meet and explore the possibility of getting back together. We chatted but I made it clear that I wasn’t in a position emotionally to even consider getting in to a relationship. However, we now remain good friends and I helped her daughter with a family situation this summer. I didn’t get the same feelings for her, that’s no doubt down to time being a healer.
This really is the first time that I’ve thought about my ex and our relationship with a clear head and without being clouded by grief and getting angry at seeing her face. The whole situation knocked me for 6 and really threw me off track. I’d believed that my ex’s choices last year were down to me and that I expected too much from her. However, to me they are the basics of any strong relationships. My gut always told me that when I had an issue, my ex wouldn’t be there and it seems I was right.
I did play a role in that though as I stopped being the man I was when my dad got ill and I spent most of my week at my own property caring for my dad and supporting my mum. This meant she was alone and the re-modelling of her house (I was doing that work) came to a stand still.
It also meant that my planned move to be with her permanently got canned.
My new lady and relationship is totally different and new to me and I’m trying to focus on that. It’s nice to be in a relationship where there is no drama and me and my lady can focus on each other and my son. My new lady doesn’t have kids and we are able to do things together and as a little family. It’s everything I’ve always wanted, yet somehow, since these events, I wished that was me and my ex. The last 3 or 4 days have been tough for me. I’ve fought every thought of contacting my ex, writing to her etc to apologise.
Writing the above helped though as it’s given me perspective again as to why my ex and I aren’t together and that what I feel is totally normal and part of my grieving process. It’s also shown me that what I have now is a real, mature relationship between 2 adults who support each other.
October 17, 2017 at 2:48 pm #173607RoxParticipantHi Andy,
I read your whole story and feel awful for all that you’ve gone through. The way that you described your relationship with your Indian ex girlfriend, sounds to me like her heart was not fully committed to you and your needs. She was not there when you lost your dad and you couldn’t take family vacation together- this is not a good fit! What do you think has changed? I mean once a person shows you who they are, you ought to believe them no? Also, why not focus on this amazing woman who is by your side right now? To me, you are emotionally elsewhere and that is sad. She doesn’t deserve that(your new lady friend). In order for you to move on and enjoy your time with your new lady, you need to let your past go. From what I read, you seemed to really have loved the Indian lady but it didn’t work out for a reason. Trust the journey and don’t look back!
I wish you all the best!
October 17, 2017 at 11:36 pm #173661Andy O’SullivanParticipantGood Morning Rox, Thank you for your message, you are correct, I know nothing would change my ex is who she is and I know that whoever she ends up with the same will happen again and again. She was the same with her best friend of 18 years who’s mum went on the same journey as my dad. She gave her friend little or no support.
I’ve learnt to trust my gut feelings from now on.
It’s the first time in 10 months that any thoughts like this have happened. Yes, I was madly in Love with my ex, yet I couldn’t get my head around her choices as I would never do any of the above to anyone, even if they were my enemy. When people talk about what happened with us, I still make excuses for her, yet if one of my friends were to write what I wrote, I’d be saying are you mad?
I have to admit, as the year went on, my heart stopped being in it also and for the last few months, I’d emotionally removed myself for the relationship myself.
Writing my message above cleared my head and put last year where it should be, back in the past, it’s put me back on track. It’s also shown me that writing my thoughts down either here on in general is a great way to clear my head.
My new lady is brilliant, well rounded, loving, funny and beautiful in every way. We have a great relationship and know where we want to be and want to go. I am so looking forwards to our future together and she is going to get all of me. We are friends and confidents, there isn’t that intensity there and other outside influences which makes it so easy. I’m a calmer, happier person, probably more than I have ever been in my whole life.
Thanks for the advice, it’s much appreciated.
October 18, 2017 at 8:04 am #173715AnonymousGuestDear Andy O’Sullivan:
You are welcome. I am glad posting here helped clear your head and hope you continue to post anytime you need clarity.
I want to suggest something regarding the “madly in love”, intense feelings for the ex girlfriend who was often unloving, in a relationship that was unhealthy for you vs the calm feelings toward your current girlfriend who is loving, in a relationship that is healthy for you:
let’s say a child is living with an unloving mother. The child has no option of another mother, he is stuck with the one he has. All this dreams and hopes are in making her love him, so he tries and tries to please and do for the parent, to earn her love. There is no more intense feeling for that child than the desire to be loved by this (unloving) parent. As this child becomes an adult, when he gets into a relationship with an unloving woman, same desire awakens, to please and do and earn her love. It is an intense desire. It is as if, this is the only place and only hope for him to be loved.
The adult has a choice, a different girlfriend. Calm is better.
anita
October 19, 2017 at 2:45 am #173845Andy O’SullivanParticipantHi Anita
That’s brilliant. I know the answers deep down and those few days were a bit of a jolt. I am so happy with my new lady, we talk about everything, there is trust, love, respect, support everything. I’ve also broken a cycle with her as she isn’t a damsel in distress so I’m not on a Roller Coaster, or Washing Machine. It’s a mature happy relationship. My lady adores my son and they get on like a house on fire.
There is no way that I would go backwards or go back to my ex, in fact, I have been more cross at myself as I should have trusted my gut feelings in the early days and that would have saved me, my ex and our respective kids the pain of another family break up. It was interesting that when I told my son that my ex and I had split and why, he said that I deserved better and that the things that didn’t happen were the basics of any relationship. Wise head on a 14 year olds shoulders.
I feel sad for my ex as she is from a very dysfunctional family and also had a really tough arranged marriage where she was beaten and controlled. In hindsight, she needed time to find herself and become who she wants to be so that she could give her heart and soul to someone.
Anyway, my lady and I are looking forwards together, planning Christmas, holidays and outings with my son. I am truly happy, as I am calm and can be myself, give and receive love in the right way.
Thank You
October 19, 2017 at 5:52 am #173855AnonymousGuestDear Andy O’Sullivan:
You are welcome. Re-visit your thread, re-read and post again anytime, so to keep this clear, reality based thinking and the calm that results from it.
anita
October 20, 2017 at 12:48 pm #174039Andy O’SullivanParticipantI’m so glad I wrote the above.
last night, another friend contacted me to tell me that my ex was on a well renowned dating site. Why people do this, I’ll never know. He tried to make light of it and sent me what she had written. Her like/comments were all comments that my dad and I talked about weeks before he passed away. My first thought was fury as she wasn’t interested in being there for us when dad was alive, yet could use our words to pull another man. It was tempting to write to her and express my displeasure at this as I initally thought how sick!!!
After a bit of meditation a good nights sleep and a nice workout, I see it totally differently. It’s not my issue what she does anymore. We have made our choices and need to move on. I’d love her to meet someone and be happy. My choice was to take some time out, be on my own and heal myself, wait for something to happen naturally without the interview process and this has happened and I am so much better for it.
I see years of pain and hurt for my ex which will only make her worse, I also feel for the kids as they have been through so so much from both parents, such a long story. I did feel like saying to her, “just stop and think for 5 minutes, your son has just gone to Uni, your daughter has just started 6th form and both will need you. Why can’t you spend your time focusing on them and yourself solely for a little while instead of trying to get another man in your life, don’t you think they’ve been through enough in their young lives?”
Both kids used to come to me for advice, support and help as opposed to their mum and dad as I was around more than either of their parents and their dads new wife.
I woke this morning thinking how lucky I am and as I write this, I feel totally blessed as my new lady and I can talk about all of the things that are going on in both of our lives, we listen, we don’t judge and we aren’t threatened by what we hear. I know that I’ve broken my cycle of looking for Damsells in Distress and the hurt this causes in the long run.
Have a great weekend.
Andy
October 21, 2017 at 11:41 am #174119AnonymousGuestDear Andy O’Sullivan:
Thank you. Better tell that friend to no longer give you any information about your ex. A friend should respect such assertion.
I understand your pain and concern regarding her children. But since you can not do anything to prevent their mother from hurting them, what can you do. Unfortunately there are a whole lot of children being hurt, feeling pain as I type this. I was one of those children. You probably were one as well. Treat yourself with empathy.
The serenity prayer: … grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.
anita
October 22, 2017 at 9:38 am #174191Andy O’SullivanParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks for the feedback. Fortunately for me, my parents were amazing, my mum still is. Yes, hey made mistakes but don’t we all.?
I spoke to m new lady about this and we had a really good chat about it as our relationship has moved on the last few weeks and I don’t want any secrets. She was brilliant, she said exactly what I said, even before I told her how I felt about it.
We’ve both discussed our pasts and are very open. Nothing phases us as we are in everything together. Along with my Son and her little dog, we’ve created our own little family unit and all of us couldn’ be happier.
My ex, is well and truly in the past. The comments show that my thoughts were not far off and that she’s still to found her true self. These posts have enabled me to forgive her and also forgive myself properly, allowing me to look forwards now to a great future.
thanks
andy
October 22, 2017 at 9:52 am #174195AnonymousGuestDear andy:
You are welcome. Your “own little family unit and all of us couldn’ be happier”- reads very good to me, a good thing to have, your own little family unit. I like that.
anita
December 11, 2017 at 1:57 pm #181645Andy O’SullivanParticipantHere’s an update for you guys.
So, last weekend, I received a text message and email out of the blue from my ex. “Hey Andy, hope you are well, I have some of your Christmas Decorations here, would you like to collect them.” I poke to my lady and she asked how I felt about it. For me, I was fine with it and so did my amazing lady.
So, after finishing work and having been in her area, I arranged to pick them up this evening on my way home.
As you can imagine, as today drew closer, I was quite nervous. However, when I arrived at her house, I felt comfortable and confident about the situation, I was initially worried how I would feel, would I get upset, would the hurt return etc.
I arrived at her house and was saddened to see, the hedges and garden hadn’t been done, something I’d always done. Her fences had blown over. This was the first shock. The second was when she answered the door.
She hadn’t done her hair, it was grey in her roots, this was something she always did. Her eyes were tired and she was just so sad. The difference in our lives since separating was massive. I had a coffee and chatted to her, her house hadn’t been touched since I left it in January this year. It was heartbreaking as I could have cried for her. I didn’t look at her as my ex, but as a friend who’d been hurt and through a tough time. She’s had a tough time at work and told me I was right about the things I’d said to her when we were together.
As I left, I gave her a hug and she clung on to me like she was glued to me. Whilst driving home, she texted me to say how lovely it was to see me again. I thanked her for letting me know about the decorations and that I’d got home safe.
I kept everything polite and positive didn’t talk about the past and told her to make sure she looked after herself.
I’m in a different life now and today gave me some more closure on my last chapter allowing me to focus even more on this new chapter.
i hope my day really does find herself and true happiness one day.
December 11, 2017 at 4:23 pm #181653BubbaParticipantHappy for you Andy! God bless, love a wonderful life with your family unit.
Your ex’s life is now her and God’s business and God will help her find her way in due course. You can now focus on your life.
December 12, 2017 at 5:43 am #181711AnonymousGuestDear Andy O’Sullivan:
I appreciate your update!
Here is a science fiction type scenario: you had two lives, parallel, two universes. In one life you stayed with your ex, in the other you moved on with your new girlfriend. When you visited your ex to pick up the Christmas decorations, you would have seen not only the sorry state of her garden, fence, house, hair and sad, tired eyes, but you would have seen you, the other you, sad, tired, distressed, subdued.
And you would have seen your son there, miserable too, watching his father in such a sorry state.
When we try hard and long to save or improve the life of a person who is dysfunctional in some major ways, we don’t save them, we destroy ourselves.
It is a good thing that there is only one of you and that you are where you are, not there.
Often enough it so happens that there is simply nothing we can do to help another. Keep choosing what is right for you, in this Win-Win relationship with your girlfriend.
anita
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