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  • #113486
    helleia
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    I haven’t been on a forum in years. For a long time, I wanted to detox myself from the internet as much as possible, only using it for stuff that are more important to me, and less random distractions. Indeed, it’s difficult to control your exposure on the internet. No wonder addiction is such a likely possibility.

    But now I’m back. Testing the waters. I wonder if things would be different now?
    I’ve been feeling such strong yearning and loneliness.

    Of course, an offline social life is better. And I am working on it as best as I can. I have a long story. But as of now, I won’t say all of it.

    I do come into contact with nice people but always feel that something is missing.
    I think part of the causes of my problem is that I feel very disorganized and confused about the way I see myself, my friends, and my own life.

    Being disorganized has been apparent to me when I tried to organize computer files, my room, my writing, and even just making my brain stop all this obsessive thinking for a while…

    I’m not sure if I’m disorganized because I like TOO MANY things. For example, I want to make music playlists, but I like too many and I want to make it perfect. I try to reconcile all the different genres that I like, then I get overwhelmed. I go on Youtube and want to have listened to everything but there’s not enough time. I also try to write down my ideas and it feels as if there’s a very strong gush of water but a very small opening, so there’s increased pressure.

    If I’m disorganized, does this mean I’m often confused as to how I should act in front of people? I think it has some connection. But my default action, so that it could be simpler for me, is to remain silent. Not to express all the different facets of myself that are too weird, eclectic, arbitrary to all come together in one page.

    I do however, yearn to be that bad-ass weird self that everyone thinks is quirky and actually likes. If… if I’m correct that they would like that sort of person.

    Now. What does that have to do with my title, “Trying New Things”? Well, though I wanted to reduce internet because I wanted to reduce feeling addiction and pressure to organize, I was also wondering if this is the only way I can solve my yearning. For one thing, it’s different to actually interact on a forum, as opposed to just seeing random things on the internet.

    I thought that I would not need forums however because I had experience of it before, however I guess the difference was that maybe I did not find the forums that were right FOR ME. So maybe, Tiny Buddha seems promising? It matters WHAT forum you post to.

    But aside from Tiny Buddha, I want to try music forums and film forums, I guess. Maybe I should just expose myself to those communities that I’ve always been interested in but was always shy to approach. Although this is online and not the kind of thing I was really hoping for (of course I wanted to join those groups of artsy people that I see in-person).

    I am unable to tell what I can contribute because I haven’t exposed myself that much.
    Therefore forums should be like the practice grounds… Or something like that. To prepare myself for what interacting REALLY entails.

    You learn more about yourself the more you interact with people. And just because I didn’t think that any interaction on the internet would be permanent, doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be valuable at least for the lessons you could learn from interacting…

    Plus, you get kind of a free pass to say all sorts of geeky stuff that you wouldn’t be able to say to people who personally know you…

    Man, I’m spending a lot of time here being theoretical. Why don’t I just go right ahead and do what I said I should do?

    #113487
    helleia
    Participant

    Just a sidenote, I often wonder if I’m surrounded by shallow people or if I’m the one who’s shallow and judgmental.

    Chatting on facebook with my real life friends, feels inadequate a lot of the time. Many are too “busy”, disappear without any sign of respect, or are just too lazy to share elaborate insights compared to forum-goers.

    But then again, in real life, I’m not so good at socializing with them either…

    Then again, it’s also because I did not find the people who I really feel like I belong with…

    And I don’t really have a best friend or a kind of permanent group or circle.

    I guess the problem really lies with me. I just don’t know why I find it so hard.

    #113503
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi helleia,

    It sounds like you have an Artist’s Soul. I don’t think being messily creative is a bad thing. It’s just the clean up that makes us think something’s wrong with us. It took me a month to clean out my Library. One month!! Yes, I was messy, but I did find real nuggets and treasures I had created.

    The internet addiction, yeah, I have to watch myself too. For example, I only post on this forum once a day. Another website I do the same thing. Same with Netflix. One show. And Games. One game. Moderation is awesome.

    With people, you have to go where your heart leads you. If you are honest with yourself and only hang out with your favorite people in a group setting you should have a good time. Don’t seek to hang out with people because you think you “should”. And I’d rather have people reject the Quirky Me right off the bat than them only see the Conventional Me forever. You’ll find your tribe, don’t worry!

    Blessings,

    Inky

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 8 months ago by Inky.
    #113509
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear helleia:

    It reads to me from reading your posts that there are a few very simple things that you need to see, figuratively. There are a few things about your life so far, earlier life, that you need to see. Problem is, as I see it, that your eyes are closed to these few simple things, so you stumble in the dark, looking here and there, getting confused with a thousand things.

    Getting confused because you don’t see the few very simple things.

    Thing is, seeing those few simple things is going to make you feel very uncomfortable, distressed.

    In what venue will you open your eyes to see those things? Someplace where you feel safe. If it is done here, online, than this is going to be more Real, as in real life, than anything and anywhere else.

    If you do turn the light on those few simple things, I will attentively read and empathetically reply to you every time you post.

    anita

    #113525
    helleia
    Participant

    Thank you both for your responses.

    Inky, I’m curious, what sorts of treasures did you create out of organizing a Library? Also thank you for the encouragement. The way I try to control my addiction is to only choose what I expose myself to. For example, I unfollowed everyone on my friend’s list on Facebook (I did not unfriend them, only unfollowed so that I wouldn’t see anything on the newsfeed). Instead, when I want to hear about a specific person, I go to their profile page. It helps so much and my mind feels clearer. Besides, you really only need to know about a few people. As for shows, I still end up doing marathons but I think it’s okay because it’s more progress for me than when it’s random internet stuff. I still value sleep and food above all!

    About not seeking to hang out with people because I “should”, yes, I actually hear that advice from several people. I also sometimes hear the opposite advice “being grateful for what you have”. I mean, I could definitely appreciate who does surround me at the moment, even if I am unable to be my purest self around them. I’ll just appreciate that at least I have people who are nice, caring, and friendly. It doesn’t really go farther than that, usually, but that’s okay. I’ll still continue exposing myself to new places where I think I’ll find my tribe. It’d be difficult though to really predict that. Sometimes, I also have to look out for the unexpected.

    Anita, I suppose I’m ready to hear that, although your warning about it being distressing made me a bit nervous. Would I feel more distressed than I already am now?

    I think you also asked more about my childhood trauma in the other thread. There are so many angles I can start from and it may take very long. Maybe I should take it one step at a time. I guess the first thing I can reveal is my explanation for what happened. It’s my subjective explanation, so I may or may not be correct. I’ve attended an All-Girls School. My “trauma” started in 5th grade. I feel as if most people have started puberty earlier than me. Kids my age were starting to show little signs of thinking like a teenager. I still felt very childish back then. I would still cry loudly in front of other people. People described me as “may sariling mundo”. The rough translation from my language is that they think I’m living in an isolated bubble inside my head, living in “my own world”. That does connote stuff like being disconnected from people, outcasted, seen as abnormal, etc.

    There was also a language barrier. I was more of an English-speaker. Sometimes they’d copy me in a mocking way. That doesn’t mean I don’t understand Tagalog. And English was the dominant language in the curriculum. Maybe this was only a secondary reason I didn’t relate much with them. Because I can understand both languages. It should have more to do with my personality than with the languages, although it may exacerbate differences a bit.

    Speaking of language barriers, the scenario is different in college. Most people in my college speak English more often. But it’s not as simple as that. I often feel like people speak in code when they talk about stuff with their friends. It depends on the situation, but when they talk about cultural references, there would be times I don’t get it. Spending the greater part of my teenage life as a loner, I probably didn’t pick up on a lot of social cues. I would definitely say I am not just awkward, but INEPT.

    There were lots of changes in me throughout the last decade. I am proud of my healing process. I am able to speak to strangers if there is a reason for me to do so (processing paperwork, commuting, ordering food, or if I am in a social event wherein I can actually relate to the topic-at-hand). That’s a HUGE step for me. Doing normal things for me is like leveling-up. It’s as if I had a lower base level and had to work to get to the “normal level” of socializing. I assure you, it was much worse before. To the point where I was even scared of my own older siblings (8 year age gap from the youngest older sibling. I am the youngest in the family). But now, glad to say that I became close with one of them, and freely talk normally to the other two.

    Moving to college exposed me to diversity, people who are more mature and less judgmental, etc. However, I still feel inferior because of the gap between my highschool and college. The highschool is not one of the top schools. The college is. There’s a gap in terms of the academics and the activities and social capital between the two environments. It’s very easy to feel inferior here and thus I once again have to work harder at things other people take for granted.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 8 months ago by helleia.
    #113528
    helleia
    Participant

    I wasn’t really specific on what “trauma” was. I think it was more of a mixture of difficulties in that year. Bullying was not physical, more on verbal and emotional. They mocked me and it was pretty obvious that people outcasted me and thought I was different. I’m pretty sure my crying in front of them exacerbated it.

    When I got older, it died down a bit. Bullies stop paying as much attention to you when you stop reacting. That’s when I learned to be silent. However, I wasn’t very good with making friends. My mistake was that I didn’t move schools because I thought I would have just as hard a time. You know why? Because I internalized my problem and thought I carried it. That I carried the “defect” with me.

    #113529
    helleia
    Participant

    A bunch of other stuff happened… something about toilet troubles and a crush on certain girl… None were pleasant. I guess I don’t have to elaborate on this for now.

    I also have a few incidents in college, but it’s never as bad because of the largeness of the college. I can simply leave a specific circle. That doesn’t mean it was any less distressing, however.

    In highschool, there wasn’t much of an escape. It was a small school where everyone knew each other.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 8 months ago by helleia.
    #113531
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear helleia:

    You wrote: “your warning about it being distressing made me a bit nervous. Would I feel more distressed than I already am now?”

    What I meant is that when we experience much fear in childhood, we automatically remove it from our awareness best we can, so to not be overwhelmed by fear and distress. When removed from awareness, anxiety and distress “leak” from its hiding place, sometimes more than at other times.

    “What we resist (being aware of) persists” – and it persists by leaking misery into our minds and lives.

    I read your account since fifth grade. I am thinking the more important part to your story is before the fifth grade, at home… How was home life?

    anita

    #113533
    helleia
    Participant

    I’d say that before fifth grade was quite peaceful and normal. My parents are “the typical parents” – which is how my siblings and even my cousin describe them. Maybe a little boring but they are caring and we are financially stable. The large age gap with my siblings made it hard for me to be close with them, but I was never scared of them until after fifth grade. I became scared because I generalized them to my peers, I generalized them to a group of “young-ish teenaged or young-adult-minded people” who seemed to be “cool” and have certain expectations from socializing. However, it’s a lot better now, because my confidence increased after starting college. But I guess there is still a residual anxiety when it comes to talking to one of my sisters. The other sister is fine however, we are like buddies. The other sibling is a brother who lives in the US right now.

    I have happy childhood memories. It seems “too normal” that I don’t have anything notable to say about it. If asked, I can name some various memories but that might take too long again. A lot of them are mundane, some of them are amusing and nice to remember.

    I’d say internet addiction after 5th grade delayed my healing, however I did grow a lot in other areas, particularly in brainy pursuits. And it made my perception of the world quite deep and colorful.

    #113534
    helleia
    Participant

    I guess the disadvantage of having typical parents is that my parents didn’t really know how to help me. My siblings seemed to be unaware that a condition such as social anxiety could happen, so they did not make much of an effort to get me out of my shell. They assumed that I was the one who didn’t want to talk to them. They tried, but they didn’t try too hard because they thought I’d just be bothered or they didn’t want to force me.

    At those early teenage years, I was closer to my mom. I could tell her what I feel, but not being a psychologist, she didn’t really have much to say except to comfort me in whatever way she can. I feel kind of guilty actually that I didn’t appreciate it as much as I could. Just because she didn’t know how to help me, doesn’t mean she doesn’t care.

    Oh, and I do still live with them right now. My college is near our home.

    #113535
    helleia
    Participant

    I wonder if language barriers also apply to our home. They speak Tagalog more, as well. There are lots of ideas I can’t exactly share with them… Although occasionally, deep topics can be discussed, but they’re limited and it depends…

    I’m not sure why I grew up differently from everyone… Maybe because of the TV, and the internet age? I mean, my siblings watched TV too… I think it might also be because of my cousin, who was my playmate quite often. She was more fluent in English.

    It could also simply be because of genes. They say things get a little bit difficult if you were born after your mom was 40. I must have been born with a slightly different brain. And you can’t discount the generational gap. I guess they assumed that I would be just the same as them, but I am different. They do not take that badly. I just feel isolated.

    #113536
    helleia
    Participant

    They also never went to a top university like I did.

    Of course, I’ve been struggling in that university, but I’m starting to settle down.

    Just saying that they can’t help me that much with adjusting.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 8 months ago by helleia.
    #113615
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear helleia:

    In your original post on this thread you wrote: “I’ve been feeling such strong yearning and loneliness.
    …I do come into contact with nice people but always feel that something is missing.”

    This is how I see your situation, since childhood and on: in the context of your family: your parents and your siblings, you were very much alone and lonely. You suffered from the absence of quality interactions with your parents and siblings. In other words, you suffered from … social neglect, social isolation.

    In fifth grade you cried loudly in front of your peers, in front of others, like a child does and unlike most (or all) of your peers (same age students in school). This is because you didn’t develop socially as much as they did. You didn’t have the interactions a child needs to mature.

    You realize that social interactions is what you need and this is why you are here, on this website. And I agree with you: social interactions is exactly what you need. You will continue the progress you already made when you interact: you will learn more and more about yourself and become more and more comfortable in your own skin. You will be less and less confused and more organized.

    Take advantage of every opportunity to interact with decent people, people who are respectful of you. Make those interaction work for you, by seeing to it that these interactions improve your mental health, lessen (not increase) your confusion. Talk with others about your feelings, experience of life in simple terms, a little at a time so to not overwhelm the listener and so that he/she can respond to you with their experience. In so doing you will find out how we, humans, share so much of the same thinking and feelings.

    And so, the “Trying New Things” I am recommending is Trying More Interactions.

    Post here anytime and I will reply to you, every time.

    anita

    #113619
    Nina Sakura
    Participant

    Hey helleia,

    I would like to know more about you as well. I am been very shy too most of my life and was bullied quite a bit in school over my appearance, reserved nature. Parents too were rather introverted by default and never quite encouraged much socializing, just focus on studies mainly. It has improved though since college but i still struggle with anxiety of this type. read my thread and you will get an idea

    #113620
    Nina Sakura
    Participant

    I just wanted to say its pretty normal, this issue you are facing and even where i am from, psychotherapy/counselling isnt the usual route for these things, more like the last route when things get really bad.

    Do post more

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