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  • #232013
    Feathering my nest
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    I had a short-lived fling this past summer.

     

    When I met the guy, my instinct was that he was “a whingey poet” and I was pretty unsure about him, saying I didn’t think he had much to give a relationship. I thought I was ok with it being a short term thing. I’ve had encounters in which I’ve had no intention of it getting serious, we kept it casual and parted ways no hard feelings or urges to make it last longer.

    Annoyingly while this analysis of him was totally right; I was NOT expecting to fall for the guy.

    He is a troubled soul but I realized I’d judged him too harshly and saw past that through to someone who I really got along with. We had a lot to offer each other and when he started to get distant I grieved his absence. So many interesting conversations were to be had, kept seeing things and wanting to share them with him. I learnt a lot from him.

     

    Anyway essentially it ended because I wanted more. We did the ‘friends’ thing but that didn’t work out because my feelings got in the way, I wasn’t ready to be friends. He’s very much a mixed-messages kind of person. Very confused and doesn’t really know what he wants.  He’s a decent guy at heart.

     

    Currently I’m angry and hurt at the following;-

    -He’s dating someone else now and didn’t tell me, I feel this  was dishonest as he knew I had feelings for him still. It was just more convenient for him not to. I think he wanted to keep me on the back burner.

    -This new relationship sounds like a total mess already. Lots of arguments 4 weeks down the line…errr, lets see how that goes.

    -Futile asking of “Why why this other person?” (She was unavailable to him for a while, which is why I suspect he finds her so alluring now.)

    -Used to be confident that he liked me too, now doubting that and feeling as if I’m only ever good for casual relationships. aka- My self esteem has taken a hit. I am doubting and invalidating the time spent with this person.

    -Annoyed he told me things like “I want a partner I can really connect with.”, when we connected well, and then shunning me. I know his is 100% because of his issues but its really f____ing frustrating that he can’t see how he’s the maker of his own misery.

     

    I really want to know what might happen in the future.

    Like I keep searching for signs that he’ll wake up to his emotional problems and come back looking to re-connect.

    All a waste of my mental energy. But the thoughts are chattering away.

     

    #232061
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Feathering my nest,

    I going to warn you, I’m not gonna lie: He WILL come back to you. He will come back and give out “feelers”. NOT to necessarily get back together with you, but for a self esteem boost.

    YOUR best bet is to say (whether he asks you or not) an easy breezy, “You had your chance, sweetie!” and a passing “Hey there, little buddy!”, a head noogie (preferably in public as if he is your kid brother), and a dash (ONE) of him seeing flowers/cards/texts/messages to you from other guys. And then you have to get off the phone or leave in fifteen minutes. (He’ll put two and two together that you are nobody’s backburner).

    Leave him alone for at least a year. When (yes, when) he comes back to see how you “are”, give a smirk and an eyeroll, and tell HIM, “Babe, last summer was such a mistake, PLEASE don’t get the wrong idea” as if you dumped HIM.

    Maybe, just maybe, in a few years he’ll be kicking himself, and then you can give him another chance. If you’re not with someone by then. (You will be).

    Best,

    Inky

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 6 months ago by Inky.
    #232081
    Feathering my nest
    Participant

    I know you’re right its just a painful truth to swallow.

    #232105
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Feathering my nest:

    You listed the first reason for your anger being that he is dating another woman but didn’t tell you that he is. But didn’t he start dating her after you ended the relationship with him, not wanting to be his girlfriend or his friend?

    anita

    #232109
    Feathering my nest
    Participant

    Heya Anita,

     

    We were just friends on the understanding that there was a romantic connection between us. He ended things citing mental health issues. “I need a friend right now.” is what he said. It felt a bit impulsive – we were getting along well.

    I didn’t want things to end but eventually agreed to be friends as there was a friendship there- and he does truly struggle with emotional problems.

     

    I was clear that I still had feelings for him – our relationship status as this point was actually ambiguous. Soon after he apologized for ending things and kept saying how much he enjoyed my company, laid on with compliments, was flirtatious. When we were out people thought we were dating.

     

    Regardless of that: we’re both in the non-monogamy camp, which is where this story gets interesting.

    He dumped his long term partner (with whom the relationship sounds troubled to say the least – the end was a long time coming) to be with this new woman. (whose fresh out a long-term monogamous relationship, and apparently they already argue a lot.)

     

    So yeah, there was one point where we had what I thought to be an honest heart-to-heart; he explained he’d ended his relationship and I said I was checking myself into therapy to deal with a long-term unrequited love for a friend of mine.  This would have been a good time to tell me he was seeing someone else, he had no reason not to.

     

    After he started seeing this new person he stopped communicating with me (not even opening my text messages) which really frustrated me – I thought we were good and I didn’t understand why he was backing off all of a sudden. Eventually this culminated into an argument over text message, I felt frustrated because he wasn’t even opening my text messages…for days and days. I didn’t understand why he’d basically just cut me off.

     

    When we argued first off he claimed I had been putting pressure on him, which was why he backed off. (Although, I only started to put pressure on him after over a week of feeling totally disconnected and not knowing what was going on. The specific incidents he cited are all things I did in response to feeling cut off, feeling anxious and wanting to communicate with him about what was going on.) We talked that through, and after we sorted that problem out he decided to crack out the “I’m seeing someone else” card.  The timing of his backing off actually coincided with dating the new person.

     

    He said he didn’t want to hurt me by telling me he was seeing someone else. He shifted between denying he knew I had feelings and then later admitting it. My perception is that he is indecisive and would prefer to leave his options open, which is why he did not tell me. By his own admission he’s a mess in relationships and has frequently ambiguous platonic/romantic ties with women.

     

    He admits to being afraid of getting close to people but also lonely, he’s just a bag of personal issues.

    I thought we got along well and had a lot to give each other. I am patient, willing to to do the give and take, willing to communicate, I’m aware I’ve got issues but I own them.

     

    Until the very end he had nice things to say about me – now he tells me my “friendship wasn’t very friendly” – which isn’t true, I was always kind to him and didn’t try to hide my feelings for him. He accused me of having ‘false presences’ but that just isn’t true as I was clear I had feelings for him – he went with it as well.

     

    In some ways I regret not listening to the inner voice telling me he was trouble when we first met, as now I’m stuck with this heartbreak and feel pretty stung that he’s seeing someone else.

     

    Thanks,

    Feathering my nest.

    #232119
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Feathering my nest:

    I understand then that he had a long term relationship with his “long term partner” (woman#1), then had a relationship with you (woman#2) while still with #1, and then he dumped #1 and #2 so to be with his current girlfriend, woman #3?

    You wrote: “we’re both in the non-monogamy camp”. Being “stuck with this heartbreak and feel pretty stung that he’s seeing someone else”, you are not happy in that camp.

    He accused you of false pretenses. Your response to that accusation is, “but that just isn’t true as I was clear I had feelings for him- he went with it as well”-

    meaning you expected him to figure out that because the two of you had unexpected,  monogamous like feelings, that he would pack the two of you to the monogamy camp-

    But instead he moved to the monogamy camp, for now, with another woman, a third woman.

    Did I understand correctly?

    anita

    #232135
    Feathering my nest
    Participant

    Heya Anita,

    Yes you understood mostly correctly, although it was I who was dumped first.

    I was dumped, then woman #3’s relationship broke down, then he ended it with woman #1, now he’s with woman number 3.

    “He accused you of false pretenses. Your response to that accusation is, “but that just isn’t true as I was clear I had feelings for him- he went with it as well”-….

    ….meaning you expected him to figure out that because the two of you had unexpected, monogamous like feelings, that he would pack the two of you to the monogamy camp-“

    I’m not sure what you mean by this – I expected him to tell me if he was seeing someone else. We talked openly of our relationships the entire time we knew each other – why should that change?

    It does seem like he’s shifted into the monogamous camp.

     

    Cheers!

    #232137
    Feathering my nest
    Participant

    I don’t know if he broke up with me to be with #3 or not. He didn’t mention her at the time. At the time he told me he had a lot of problems -including his failing relationship with #1- and he needed a friend at that moment and had no appetite for romance of and kind with anybody.

    #232147
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Feathering my nest:

    Reads complicated to me. Better have simplicity for mental well being, your own well being, that is. I don’t think simplicity is possible with him, but keep  it in mind, to aim at simplicity in a future relationship: know what you want, evaluate what he wants, and if it is simple enough then proceed?

    Looking at your username, better not let in something confused and confusing to mess up your feather nest, something that will destroy the delicate feather arrangement of your nest.

    anita

    #232261
    Feathering my nest
    Participant

    Thanks Anita.

    Yes he is a complicated mess and caused me heartache and stress.

    He doesn’t mean badly, this is just his habits. He will hurt this new woman as well.

    Keeping well away from him for the foreseeable future.

     

    #232269
    Anonymous
    Guest

    You are welcome, Feathering my nest.  Good plan. Post again anytime.

    anita

    #232361
    Feathering my nest
    Participant

    I wrote a list of the worst qualities about this guy. He’d be crushed if he read this as most of them are his worst fears about himself. He’s dimly aware of how he makes his own problems, not ready to own it yet.

     

    1- Passive aggressive. (Eg. felt I was ‘guilt tripping’ him and although he admitted it was probably an over-reaction, he gave me the slient treatment for days.)

    2- Selfish. /me me me/ <- he’s a singing teacher so thats him practicing his scales as well

    3- Uncompromising. Can’t or wont’.

    4- A man-child and a total mess.

    5- Huge issues with getting close to people.

    6- Non committal and flakey.

    7- It appears to me that he shuttles between various women, citing his ‘issues’ and their ‘neediness’ as reasons for him being unwilling to stick anything out for long enough to get genuinely close to someone.

    8- Then moans that he is lonely. Its part of his ‘issues’.

    9-Has no real mates, only ambiguous relationships with women.

    10- Possibly a secret voter for the Conservative party. *

    *This is my little joke to myself, I could draw this conclusion from post-hoc analysis and that maddening picking-things-apart state of mind. It’s just there to remind myself how much we are capable of making up in our heads and how we can re frame evidence any which way we want, to suit our own agenda.

     

    I felt a lot better after making that list.

     

    I then also made a list of my own boundaries in romantic relationships and realized I had crossed a few of my own boundaries. No wonder my sense of self has taken a hit, in that regard.

     

    Waking up to that realization felt weighty, like something within myself had really shifted literally overnight.

    #232365
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Feathering my nest:

    “I thought I was ok with it being a short term thing. I’ve had encounters in which I’ve had no intention of it getting serious, we kept it casual and parted ways no hard feelings or urges to make it last longer”-

    But it didn’t work out that way, you did get those “urges to make it last longer”, you did have “intention of it getting serious”.

    And then, “when he started to get distant I grieved his absence”, and you felt anger, anger at him for getting distant, for not making it last longer, for not getting serious.

    You can use the list you made in your recent post as a guideline to what to look at in the next man you consider for a relationship, knowing that it is possible to not intend a fling to get serious, and yet, it may very well get serious for you. Plan and prepare and the chances that it will turn well for you will be greatly improved!

    anita

    #232375
    Feathering my nest
    Participant

    Yeah so why did I get attached to this one and not the others?

    Whats the difference here?

     

    One thing is I note is that casual relationships are much easier to navigate when the others both parties were unequivocal and clear at all times. Which behaviorally translates into:

    IF the other did/suggested anything otherwise we would draw attention back to our initial agreement. That kept expectations in check.

    Also we didn’t talk about deep and meaningful stuff, no soul-sharing, because that breeds a deeper connection.

    Even, in one instance, the guy was open about wanting a long term partner but was clear that I wasn’t the one for him and unafraid to explain why. I had a good time with him, we parted ways, say hi now and again. No hard feelings.

     

    I was once with someone else once who was clear he wanted a long term partner, we were just dating and it never became serious. I was toying with the idea but still getting to know him. It ended because he wanted to explore things with someone who wasn’t into non-monogamy, so it was me or her and he chose her. They’re still together over two years later- so it was the right decision for him. Anyway he was respectful, totally honest about all details even when they were painful. He treated me with respect and compassion – I’m sure he’s a great partner to his current girlfriend. I was upset for a while, a few days, but it was easy to deal with my feelings as he had been so honest and upfront with me.

    #232379
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Feathering my nest:

    “so why did I get attached to this one and not the others? What’s the difference here?”

    We can look into this if you want, having a conversation about it.

    Could it be that the answer is here: “He is a troubled soul… Very confused and doesn’t really know what he wants. He’s a decent guy at heart”-

    Maybe you saw yourself in him, being a troubled soul yourself, very confused and decent at heart, and you wanted to help him/ help yourself… while you didn’t see yourself in other men with whom you had casual flings, because they were not significantly troubled, not very confused?

    anita

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