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    Chey
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    I know there’s lots of people out there who’ve felt unlovable at some time or another. But as far as I know,  I’m the only one who is unlovable and doesn’t even want to change it anymore. That the harder I’ve tried to “fix” myself, the more I get hurt, the more life proves to me that it’s just not possible, that I really am just unlovable.  Now I can function pretty well in day to day life. I’ve got a good career, I get along with my co-workers pretty well. I can go out with them or other acquaintances and not be totally uncomfortable. But close relationships,  especially romantic ones…I self-sabotage it seems.  The closer someone gets, the more I want to withdraw and push them away.  The more they see my flaws, my insecurities, the more uncomfortable I get. Right now,  I’ve got the best guy anyone could ask for.  He’s kind, generous, patient, intelligent, handsome, has a growing business he owns, and he’s always working to become even better in so many ways. But he’s asking me to try to be more social. It all started yesterday on the way to his family’s Thanksgiving. It was all well and good…we were looking forward to it. Then he brought up something I’d said months ago that had upset a couple of his family members. I thought it was “water under the bridge” that had been all but forgotten. It had never been intended as something hurtful in the first place, what I had said then.  Suddenly, I realized his family still resented me, that they probably didn’t really want me to come to Thanksgiving but didn’t want to tell him that of course. I started to panic that if they still held that past issue against me all these months later, how could I possibly say ANYTHING without worrying it would offend them somehow. See…I really thought I was saying something good and useful before, but they took it as me acting like I was better than them,  that I was saying they were somehow bad. But I WASN’T! I was trying to be helpful, to share my knowledge. So now I’m terrified any time I open my mouth that I’ll somehow say something wrong. And when my bf tried to bring it up again this morning, it just made me panic worse than I ever have. I shut myself in the bathroom and couldn’t speak. The best I could do was write messages on toilet paper asking him to just go away. He refused for the longest time, but finally did…but only bc he had to go to work and pick up his daughter. Now I’m hiding in my bedroom (with a handyman here fixing a back door…I was so stressed I forgot today was the day he was coming until he got here). I didn’t go to work…my bf finally called work for me, telling them I was severely ill. I’m wondering if I can keep going if he tries to bring it up again. He wants to help me get better.  But I don’t even want to try anymore. I can survive…I’ve learned to keep up my walls and how to fake it enough to look normal with everyday interactions with people. But I can’t let anyone get close or I get hurt like this…and it gets worse every time. I don’t think I can survive another round of this.  I don’t want to lose my bf, but I can’t do what he’s asking. I thought he was the one who could love me despite how broken I am, but now he’s asking me to fix myself like everyone else has…but I know that even if somehow I could (I can’t….but just in theory), I would only get broken again… and I know I can’t survive going through that.  The only way I can see myself surviving is to put up my walls,  keep faking being normal the best I can,  and not let anyone close ever again.

    #179341
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Chey:

    You referred to yourself as broken. Let’s say you are  broken. Question is; why is it that you (seem to) assume that your boyfriend isn’t broken or that his family members aren’t broken?

    Specifically, when you told his family members something you thought was good and useful and that they took it as you expressing that you are better than them. Next  you assumed what you said  was wrong and became very distressed.

    But maybe what you said was really good and useful, but because those hearing it are… broken, they misunderstood it. It may be then, that what you said wasn’t wrong at all and your distress therefore, is based on an incorrect belief.

    What is  it  that you said?

    anita

    #179351
    Chey
    Participant

    So the conversation started (on Facebook btw) bc my bfs sister in law posted something about how she knew which one of her dogs was guilty of tearing something up bc of how she looked/acted. Well,  I’m a veterinarian with a strong interest (but not a speciality) in behavior issues. So I tried to show her, using what I know and links to reputable sources, that what her dog was doing was showing appeasement behaviors,  not necessarily “guilt”. It’s not known for sure if dogs do feel guilt… they likely do not…but our behaviors/tone of voice/body posture clues them in when we’re upset/angry…so they then show appeasement… they show the whites of their eyes, tuck their ears, tail tucked, lowered head, etc…. this is meant to show us humans that the appeasing dog isn’t a threat… they’re basically asking us to not hurt them or threaten them anymore. It’s basically dog language for “I see you’re upset. I may not know why that is,  but don’t take it out on me please”.

    Somehow,  they twisted this into thinking I was saying that they hit their dogs, or were bad pet owners somehow.  All I wanted to do was show them that there was a key difference between what they called “acting guilty” and what is actually just appeasement. Not all dogs act this way…more timid, submissive dogs will do it much more commonly than a confident dog, even if the confident dog actually was the “guilty” one who tore up the house. And just bc a dog is timid or submissive doesn’t mean the owner beat them or did anything wrong at all. Some dogs are just naturally, genetically made that way.

    Ok… so long rant on dog behavior and not really relevant to this forum. But I guess my point is that this sort of thing happens to me a LOT. I say something I think is great and wonderful, educational and useful, and/or being kind and thoughtful.  But instead, people think I’m just trying to make myself look better than them,  that I’m somehow insulting them.  That I’m stuck up and snobbish. So I’m at the point I don’t want to talk to anyone unless it’s about nonsense like the weather, or in a professional capacity where I’m expected to give my expert advice and it’s not seen as condescending.

    So last night,  when I found out that my bfs family still resented me for what I’d said months ago about the dogs,  it hit me like a brick wall…if I can’t even talk to friends/family about stuff,  even stuff I know well and have science to back me up, without ticking them off so bad they unfriend and block me on Facebook,  and still hold that resentment months later when I thought it had all been forgotten about and over with… well,  I’d better just not say anything anymore. So I sat in miserable silence for hours last night with them,  in their home. Unable to escape, barely able to keep from falling apart in tears the entire time.  Bc my bf didn’t tell me they still felt resentment towards me until we were halfway there (right before we picked up his daughter though).   And we couldn’t turn around bc his daughter wanted to go so bad to see her cousins and grandparents etc, and his whole family was expecting them. I was trapped in the situation. I seriously couldn’t risk saying more than Hi to anyone there…just utterly panicked inside that anything else I said might be taken the wrong way again, and knowing the whole time that they didn’t want me there anyhow.

    The one brief attempt I made to interact was immediately met with disparaging comments against vets by one of my bfs brothers as they talked with me standing next to him.  As soon as I came to where they were talking, he launched into a story about his sick dog, and how vets just want to rip people off with unnecessary tests and recommend “crappy” prescription dog food.  As soon as I realized what he was doing,  I walked away again, without even having said a word. As soon as I left and sat down away from everyone again, he changed back to a neutral subject. It was pretty clear that he wanted to drive me away, that he was using a thinly veiled story about this other vet to get at me.

    I can fake being “normal” in most social situations, such as work, or little get-togethers… but I can no longer fake my way when I know I’m not even wanted there.

    I wish it were possible for me to find that cabin “off the grid” someone on another thread spoke of. But my life is too entangled with responsibility….I have 2 kids, an ex that I’m paying child support to, my pets (at least they don’t judge me as long as they get their food,  water,  a warm bed,  and some snuggle time). I’ve got too much tying me down…student loan debt, car payment, house payment, etc. Even if I could leave behind my family, my debt would haunt me and keep me from starting over. I’m trapped like a bird in a cage.  My options are to keep everyone at a distance just so I can feel like I can keep surviving without the constant hurt they inflict on me whenever they get close, to commit suicide (I almost did this several times before my divorce), or to just throw it all away and live homeless (which is looking more and more attractive all the time).

    #179353
    Peter
    Participant

    Everyone thinks/feels their suffering is unique, that they alone are alone in their suffering. All the lonely people where do they all come from. Everyone alone and unique and it is that which connects us all

    To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless. Gilbert K. Chesterton

    To love means loving the unlovable – Its so easy to love when everything goes the way we want but that is not when we love. We experience and expresses love when things are happening that we don’t want.

    Unlovable is only cognitive dissonance of a word not understood.  The pain that your experiencing isn’t about love or being unleavable but wanting to control life and the experience of love. Let it go and open yourself to the experiences that come your way.

    Often not belonging is trying to fit in where our authentic self is not at home. Finding ones ‘Family’ is part of everyone’s experience – you are not alone.

    Anyone who has ever been an ugly adolescent – and we are legion – knows that the feeling of being unlovely and unlovable never goes away; it is always there, lurking just beneath the surface. Ruth Reichl

    “Unworthiness is the inmost frightening thought that you do not belong, no matter how much you want to belong, that you are an outsider and will always be an outsider. It is the idea that you are flawed and cannot be fixed. It is wanting to be loved and feeling unlovable, or wanting to love and feeling that you are not capable of loving.” Gary Zukav

    Maybe you’ve decided you’re not a genius, that you’re not brilliant, that you’re not prosperous, that you’re not wonderful, that you’re not lovable. Well, you know what? You’re both: you’re unlovable and you are lovable. And they both need equal time. Debbie Ford

    #179357
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Chey:

    I will be back to the  computer in about 16 hours. Will read and reply  to your recent post then.

    anita

    #179359
    Peter
    Participant

    “We are more often frightened than hurt; and we suffer more from imagination than from reality.” -Seneca

    A exploration of Love might be helpful. I recommend the following books by David Richo

    How to Be an Adult in Love – Letting love in Safely and Showing it Recklessly

    We were made to love and be loved. Loving ourselves and others is in our genetic code. It’s nothing other than the purpose of our lives—but knowing that doesn’t make it easy to do. We find it a challenge to love ourselves. We might have a hard time letting love in from others: recognizing it, accepting it. We’re often afraid of getting hurt. It is also sometimes scary for us to share love with those around us—and love that isn’t shared leaves us feeling flat and unfulfilled.

     

    The Five Longings – What We’ve Always Wanted and Already Have

    There are five longings deep within us. They are for love, meaning, freedom, happiness, growth. Each of these five reveals us to ourselves, showing us what we want, what our life is for, what keeps us going, what keeps us looking. Longings are mysterious. We often can’t quite name or explain them. Nor can they ever be perfectly, fully, or finally gratified. We shyly or loudly bring our longings to others. Sometimes we find more than we hoped for, sometimes less. Our healthy practice is a radical one: We notice and ask for some fulfillment of our longings from those we trust. We give up expecting all or perfect satisfaction. We notice that we have longings for the lasting in a world that is always changing. We can take that as a clue to the presence of something transcendent in us. With such spiritual consciousness we finally discover that all five longings reflect qualities in our true nature. We are seeking what we are.

     

    #179363
    Chey
    Participant

    See Peter….I know I’m intelligent (I got my veterinary degree and was near the top of my class),  I’m pretty (I’ve been asked to model several times), I’m successful (Good career, nice pay and benefits,  I’m ahead on all my house/car/student loan payments, no monthly credit card payments that I don’t pay in full each month to avoid interest). On the outside, I’ve got the American dream, other than that I’m divorced and my ex got the bulk of custody (thanks to a greedy lawyer who convinced me to settle instead of fight since I paid a flat rate instead of hourly… and I was depressed and vulnerable at the time).

    I thought I was doing great. I’d even pulled myself from the depths of suicidal depression during the end of the marriage, and life was looking better all the time.  I had more money and security than before. I have (had???) this amazing boyfriend who is everything I could have hoped for and more… but he’s probably leaving me over all this now.  He’s already said he’s staying with a friend this weekend and he’s moving out as soon as he finds a place. He says he wants to help me, he still loves me…but he can’t be with me if I can’t change and be more….hell, I don’t even know what. More social? More intimate? More open? More of not who I am.

    I’m the freaking Barbie doll… I’ve got everything on the outside, but I’m nothing really but an empty shell. People seem to love me for a while,  then toss me aside bc I no longer interest them, or my freaking head falls off, or the paint that made me look desirable wears away and they see how worthless I really am.

    I don’t function like normal people.  I don’t want someone to get close or intimate, to know me, to see my flaws. The only way I know to keep going is to keep that facade up around everyone,  and not let them in. Whenever I’ve let someone get closer, I get terribly hurt…and it gets worse every time it happens. So I won’t risk it agaain.  That’s why I’m unlovable.

     

    #179365
    Peter
    Participant

    There are many levels to intelligence and emotional/self intelligence may be the most difficult to obtain and transform into wisdom especially when it comes to this thing we call Love

    Choosing not to risk again does not make you unlovable. Its just a choice. There is a time for all things even a time to step back from relationships. Is it possible this choice of not letting anyone close enough to see your authentic self is causing as much pain as you feel when you close the door to its possibility. If so a step toward healing may be accepting that choice, for now, as a choice. No need for a facade, frustration or burning bridges, just time to create space to rediscover yourself.

    I’m not sure why keeping up the facade is tied to the choice to keep others at a distance to protect yourself and I wonder what you might experience if you let all this thinking of facades go and just be you. You have nothing to lose if you are truly unlovable.

    Its sounds to me anyway like you function like most normal people – as its normal is being insecure at times and put up facades. Normal to feel unlovable when things don’t go has w hoped. I hope you find a way to create some space to love yourself.

    #179369
    Hallie
    Participant

    Hi Chey,

    I’m so sorry for all this that you are going through! The first thing that sticks out to me is you saying that you are broken. No one is broken! At least I don’t believe so. We all have our own psychological processes going on that come out in life like defense mechanisms, fears and ego based insecurities. But with all that everyone is doing the best they can all the time. You are doing the best you can all the time. When you heard that your boyfriends family was offended by something you said, it made you super upset. And that’s natural!! But it doesn’t have to! Were you doing something purposefully malicious? No. Were you intending to act like a know it all? No. If we let how we think other people see us, determine how we feel about ourselves, then when they become offended it is super upsetting!! But ask yourself, do I think I am a good enough person? Why? And that is ALL you need! Are you good enough because you are pretty? Because you have a good job? Because you are smart? No. You are good enough because you simply exist at all. Seriously, that deep stuff in your core, like what you love to do, what you love about life, THAT is you. You don’t have to let what they think of you affect you so deeply. It only will, if the way you think they see you, will then determine how you see you. It’s completely natural for you to not want them to be offended by something you did, that wasn’t intending to offend them. If you wanted, you could bring it up casually and like no big deal, that you are so sorry about that comment, your boyfriend told you they were offended and you totally didn’t mean to! It sounded like you were super uncomfortable the rest of the time with his family. And your boyfriend wants you to be “more social”. He honestly might just mean he wants you to be more comfortable. You can’t tell someone to be comfortable when they are not, so this isn’t really something he should be putting pressure on you to be. But anyways, its a valid thing for him to want. SO to be more comfortable, that really just means comfortable being yourself. And being comfortable being yourself really just means knowing who you are is good enough. Which it ALWAYS is, simply because you exist at all.

     

     

    #179385
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Chey:

    I get the appeasement motivation vs the  guilty motivation in dogs, makes a  whole lot  of sense to me. I don’t think dogs feel shame  or guilt, that  is exclusively, a  human territory.

    You wrote about your boyfriend: “He says he wants to help me… but  he can’t  be  with me if  I  can’t  change and be more…hell, I don’t even know what. More social?   More intimate? More open?

    How can it be that he didn’t  tell you what he wants you to change.  How is it that you have no clue? And then, how can you attempt to fix yourself or fake being  normal (your words) if you don’t know what needs fixing and therefore what “normal” looks like or sounds like…?

    Regarding dogs, you wrote: “our behaviors/tone of voice/body posture clues them in when we’re upset/angry”- well what is it, specifically, in your behavior, in your tone  of voice, in your body posture that leads people to think you are  better than them? How is it that your boyfriend did not indicate to you what  those specifics are?

    Can you get  specific feedback from your boyfriend?

    If you would like to copy and paste that  Facebook post to his sister in law here, for my reading, I can give you my feedback about possible specific condescending communication that might be there, or any such off  putting  communication.

    anita

    #179661
    Kar
    Participant

    Dear Chey,

    I very much understand what you are going through. I am 58 years old and have felt and experienced many of the thoughts you are struggling with. When I was younger, I went to counseling for some time, not at all helpful and left me feeling even more frustrated. I know that others do not see me the way that I believe I am behaving/interacting. Recently, I have had to take a hard look at how I am contributing to the problems I am having. You already know that trying to “act” differently to elicit a different response will not help, that is a good start. I do not have any solutions for you unfortunately but I am posting here because therapists, people who I have spoke to about this don’t help when they can’t even acknowledge that the problem is real and frustrating. I have always felt “different” from other people, not necessarily in a good way but it doesn’t matter because I believe that it comes off as seeming that I believe I am better than others. It seems that in feeling different, it is truly impossible to connect to other people in a real way because I am “separate”. I do not believe that you can think  or “act” your way into better interactions or relationships. I have begun to meditate recently as well as monitor my self-talk. If there is an answer/solution to your/my dilemma, I know that it lies within us. I don’t think that labeling yourself “broken” will help you to feel better about yourself, in fact it will likely make everything worse. In the past, I have generally focused on healing the past. I now think that going over everything just keeps you stuck there. It happened, it was sad, nobody’s fault, just circumstances but it is not going to change anything, or the result of it all. I am accepting everything and moving on, for my benefit. Allow yourself to be released from your past and give your thoughts and energy to the future. I do not think that you, or anyone is “unloveable” and God knows we all have our faults and flaws but if you let them “define” you, you, and you alone, can make it so. I have taken a couple of meditation courses recently, the internet is flooded with them, if you are interested in the ones that I have found I will provide a link but maybe looking around the internet, you may find something that “speaks to you”, if you decide you want to give it a try. When you do not know who you are, it is very easy and tempting to see yourself through the eyes of others but our thoughts  (as well as the thoughts of others) are not necessarily reality. I hope that this helps you.

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