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  • #389543
    likecrystal
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    I shared about transitioning beliefs and hearing a negative voice.

    Is there such a thing as being able to actually hear other people, or is it all bunkum?   Also, is there technology available that means you end up hearing another voice or voices?

    Are there other options to medication, which cause side effects?

    #389544
    likecrystal
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    Thank you in advance to anyone able to help.

    #389545
    likecrystal
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    I’m sorry I may have posted under the wrong section.   It occurred to me that I ought to have put this under tough times.

     

    #389554
    anita
    Participant

    Dear likecrystal:

    In your other thread, we talked about the concept of the inner critic expanding from the thinking realm to the hearing voices realm, and two days ago, you posted to me: “Thanks so much for your explanations – I’m finding they are really helping to provide insight and clarity to what has been happening. I do think I need some therapy, and I’ll see if I can speak with someone within the next couple of weeks“- please follow through with setting a session with a psychotherapist.

    Today, you asked: “Is there such a thing as being able to actually hear other people or is it all bunkum?“- if you are asking whether Person A can hear what Person B is thinking without Person B voicing what he/she is thinking, then the answer is No. Thoughts are not audible, you can’t hear them. There is no such thing as hearing what another person is thinking without the person articulating what he/she is thinking.

    Is there technology available that means you end up hearing another voice or voices?“- there is no technology that makes it possible to hear another person’s thoughts unless the thinking person is voicing what he/ she is thinking.

    Are there other options to medication, which cause side effects?“- quality psychotherapy. For what kind of psychotherapy, you can visit this website for information: mind. org. uk/ hearing voices/ treatments (no spaces).

    You are welcome to post here anytime, in this thread and on any other. When you post, I will be glad to read from you and reply.

    anita

     

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by anita.
    #389561
    SSS
    Participant

    I’m putting myself out on a big, scary limb here, but in no way am suggesting this is the case….

    There are people with “abilities.” Since a kid, I’m one such person. Abilities have a wide range. But the voices are always negative, so that’s not an option.

    That said, in a previous thread by the OP, I suggested that the possible nature of the former faith may have bearing on the voices. Likecrystal hasn’t expounded on her former faith, or even how involved she was in it, so there’s nowhere to go with this.

    Likecrystal, if you’d like medication to control the voices, I don’t think doctors would prescribe without a psych evaluation. I could be wrong, but you don’t want med’s, anyway. The source of the voices would require more information on your end, even if it could be determined.

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by SSS.
    #389591
    anita
    Participant

    Dear likecrystal:

    I don’t know if you will be reading this post, but I hope that you will, and that you will take your time reading it patiently. When I write to you here, I don’t only have you and your situation in mind. I also have me and my situation in mind, and the more I try to understand you, the better I understand myself.

    Three days ago, you shared that you chose your username “along the lines of clarity“, as in the term as clear as crystal, I figure, which means transparent and easy to understand. What you are looking for is clarity, transparency, understanding.

    I wrote to you that hearing a voice or voices may be the inner critic becoming loud, so we hear it not as a thought, but as a voice, as if other people can hear it too.  And this makes sense to me. But it may not be the only explanation as to what hearing voices is about. Different people may hear voices for different reasons.

    I had no contact with my mother for over 8 years, but the other morning, while in the kitchen alone, I heard her screaming at me. I didn’t hear words, or if I did, I didn’t remember the words later. I heard an angry voice that scared me. I did not think that her voice was really there and that someone else could hear it, but I heard it. It was not the voice of my inner critic: it was rather a vivid memory of her voice playing out in my brain.

    Often, living with my mother as a child and a teenager, I was trapped like a caged animal. It felt like she was chasing me with her anger, and I had nowhere to run to, no place away from her (it was a very small apartment). Her anger was in her facial expressions, in the look in her eyes, in the shaming, ugly words she uttered, in her hand hitting me, and in her voice: loud, angry, accusing, threatening. She didn’t chase me at all times, but enough so that from one point on, I wasn’t able to relax because it was just a matter of time before she chased me again. Fast forward, in the kitchen that morning, I heard her voice as if she was there.

    I am now looking at what you shared regarding the voice or voices: “I honestly don’t think that it is part of me, but rather something or someone else…. I don’t really feel comfortable about sharing what is said, and to be honest a lot of the time I can’t remember things very clearly after its happened, but just that its difficult at the time and not on my side“- sounds like the voice I heard in the kitchen: I didn’t notice or remember the words, but I do remember the tone and volume, and it was definitely not on my side!

    You shared in regard to the people in your life who hold a belief or faith that you no longer believe in: “I’ve witnessed people being/feeling very uncomfortable around people with a different belief and wanting to challenge them.  I suppose I do not feel ready to be challenged“- maybe the voices you have been hearing are these people’s voices, angrily challenging you, chasing you in a way. Maybe these people include your parents.

    So that leaves me with a dilemma of what to say“- what to say to the people who challenge you, people who are maybe chasing you for a re-commitment to their side, their faith?  I will get to it in a moment.

    First, a general note: people angrily chase people in a variety of contexts, a most popular context is online public forums, such as this. An example: an original poster (OP) starts a thread, asking for some help. A member replies, asking questions. Next, the OP does not answer the questions asked. The member who asked the questions gets angry at the OP and chases the OP for answers, almost demanding answers! What results is that the OP, instead of being helped, he/ she is being harassed.

    The member asking the questions does not have a right to have his/ her questions answered. He/ she is not entitled to answers. Even a person arrested for a crime has “the right to remain silent”. Surely, a member starting a thread on a public forum has the right to remain silent when asked questions!

    What to do when harassed on a public forum? The harassed member can (1) Contact the site’s owner and ask for intervention, to have the harasser’s account deactivated if needed, so to keep the forum safe. If that doesn’t work, (2) Delete one own’s account so to not be present for further harassment.

    Now back to your “dilemma of what to say“, in regard to perhaps your fear that parents, family members, other people will chase you and harass you, demanding in one way or another, that you return to their side, their faith: (1) Assert yourself, and see if you get support from any of the people who can then talk to the others and have them avoid harassing you, or stop harassing you if they already started. If that doesn’t work, (2) Extricate yourself from them all (equivalent to deleting an account on a public forum).

    Is there such a thing as being able to actually hear other people or is it all bunkum?“- I don’t remember how old I was when I had this dream: I was flying in the clear, blue skies. Not in an airplane or the like, but like a bird: my arms perpendicular to my body, flying unhindered far above. It felt so real, that for a long time, I thought I really did fly in the sky. It felt so good, I definitely wanted it to be true! Eventually I figured that it didn’t really happen because it is impossible to defy gravity. It still felt real though. I think that this dream of flying was about the caged animal that I was finding freedom: no longer being chased, no longer being harassed.

    Back to you: just like having the dream above did not mean that I suffered from psychoses, hearing the voice or voices that you hear does not mean that you suffer from psychoses. As to y0ur question:  “Are there other options to medication, which cause side effects?“- hearing a voice or voices does not mean that you suffer from psychosis and that you therefore need anti-psychotic medication. It may mean that you need safety: protection from being chased and harassed in any context, be it online or in-real-life.

    Don’t give in to people who chase you, people who harass you, people who demand of you what they have no right to demand, is my strongest suggestion.

    anita

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by anita.
    #389597
    likecrystal
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    This is my reply to your first response to my OP which you kindly gave.

    Thank you for helping me by giving feedback on my questions.  I have been investigating the option of some free psychotherapy which might be available, but I won’t find out if I’m eligible for it for perhaps a couple of months (due to the time of year).    I’m not in a position to pay just now, however, so far, in this journey of seeking further healing, I have found that a lot of answers have come unexpectedly and primarily through working on my own, reading or I should say gleaning sometimes, because my concentration hasn’t always been good, and asking others about their experiences.  That said, I do recognise that psychotherapy is probably really necessary and I may have got the point I am at now a lot sooner, had I been able to see a psychotherapist before now.

    #389598
    likecrystal
    Participant

    Dear SSS,

    Thank you for kindly responding to my OP.

    I’m a bit reluctant to delve more into the spiritual side of things, because I think its really important to be grounded.  I appreciate that some people seem to have this ability to hear ‘spirits’ etc, and I think it was Jung who talked about the collective unconscious, if I’ve said that right.

    Sorry if I’ve confused things by asking these questions – on reflection, I think the idea of thoughts that have become loud seems most helpful for the time being, but I appreciate you replying.

    #389599
    likecrystal
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    This is my response to your second post you kindly wrote.

    What you have said has been helpful again, and thinking of memories that are negative, it seems they return to our consciousness so that we can learn something or as a warning, and so that we can perhaps heal and move forward.

    It’s interesting that I have been wanting to let go of one particular relationship (I think there are others too), but have felt incredibly obligated, and then just lately I had to stop contact for the moment, for health reasons.   After doing this, I found that I was not having nearly so many cravings and I had a sudden shift in being able to prepare food somewhat more healthily (I say somewhat as I’m not good at cooking at the moment).

    It seems that some of my relationships are there out of this sense of obligation, rather than affection freely given.

    Thank you for sharing what you’ve said, it’s helped.

    I’m only just really thinking of this as I’m writing, so I haven’t thought through my side versus their side.

    I’m a bit reluctant to look at this topic straight away here, at least in a lot of depth.

    I’ve read a bit about different personality types and attachments and that seems very relevant.

    Where to go for a safe haven?   This is where I wish I could send a pm.

     

    #389600
    anita
    Participant

    Dear likecrystal:

    You are welcome and thank you for being as appreciative and gracious as you are!

    I have been wanting to let go of one particular relationship (I think there are others too) but have felt incredibly obligated“- a false sense of obligation (guilt) was my greatest hindrance for so many years: heavy, suffocating sense of obligation toward my mother. This was the greatest obstacle that kept me from figuratively flying in the sky, like a bird. I remember thinking, as a teenager, that if I could have only one day free from guilt, sometime in my future: my life would be worth living.

    I had to stop contact for the moment, for health reasons.   After doing this, I found that I was not having nearly so many cravings“- stopping contact was the right thing to do.

    It seems that some of my relationships are there out of this sense of obligation, rather than affection freely given“- relationships maintained by guilt are like death; relationships with a free flow of affection, free from false obligation, free from guilt- is what living is about!

    Where to go for a safe haven?   This is where I wish I could send a pm“- if you would like to elaborate on this, here on your thread, please do (what would be the advantage of PM for you?)

    anita

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by anita.
    #389602
    likecrystal
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    The trouble is that I am getting old.  My looks have gone and my health is not good.  I thought that I could get free and that life would be worth living (I’m not suicidal I hasten to add), but time has really been running out.  Short of a miracle financially, I don’t see how I can get free in time to succeed at anything.

    I think I have to recognise that I made the mistake of having looked to resolve things with my parents for so long, and I didn’t move forward, but I hadn’t had sufficient positive input from them to move forward, if that makes sense.    There is another reason I can’t share here for why I didn’t perceive what was happening, basically there was deception to an extent I hadn’t realised.

    I’d like to send a pm because I think I could honestly say what I was thinking to you.  And I have been honest here, but its different.    I just hope that somehow something that is shared helps others move forward with their struggles, sometimes it can be difficult to see the way forward.

    #389603
    anita
    Participant

    Dear likecrystal:

    There is no PM feature on this site. I exchanged my private email with six members over the 6.5 years of my daily participation here, and with all six members- there was no advantage whatsoever, and often a disadvantage in regard to the outcomes of the private communication over the outcomes of the public (tiny buddha) communication, as far as I know. Therefore, I am not motivated to move from public communication to private communication.

    You wrote that you are “getting old“- I wonder if that means that you are in your 40s, 50s, 60s or 70s. I am fine if you don’t share your age. I don’t like sharing my own age (in public or in private), but if you share, I will reciprocate.

    I think I have to recognise that I made the mistake of having looked to resolve things with my parents for so long, and I didn’t move forward“- pretty true in my case as well, for decades- a massive waste of life.

    but I hadn’t had sufficient positive input from them to move forward“- again, I wonder what kind of positive input from your parents, you’ve been waiting for. I wonder but I am okay if you choose to not share.

    anita

     

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