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    Ruby
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    My male best friend and I have known each other for 13 years, and we’ve stayed close friends through a lot of family stuff, breakups, new boy/girlfriends, general growing pains and adulthood transitions, etc. He moved out of the country a few years ago but we kept in contact and we always hung out whenever he visited (which is not very often and mostly very short visits because of some family stuff).
    He’s been through a lot in the romance department, and struggles with depression quite a bit throughout his life. He can have a hard time expressing his feelings with words, and I myself am not so expressive unless either I really have to or I’m in a conversation with a very expressive person, so over the course of our friendship we rarely have serious, heart-to-heart talk, maybe only once or even less every year, and we’ve sort of just formed a bond of understanding (or tolerating confusions).
    A year ago I just ended a relationship with a manipulative, abusive guy who was not only cheating on me throughout the duration of our relationship but also stole from me and spreaded lies about me (let’s just say he wasn’t my smartest choice). On top of that ever since the breakup I’ve had terrible luck with men–one who was apparently married, one who was apparently gay (this one eventually makes a good friend, so it was okay), one who had weird fetishes–anyway I’m sort of jaded from all of last year’s dating dramas and kinda having a pessimistic view on that right now.
    About a few months ago, with him still overseas, our exchange began to shift. There were times before that we would joke-flirt with each other but only for fun, but now it was getting quite intense. A few weeks ago he flew back and we started hanging out as usual at first. Then one evening he took me out for a wine-and-dine thing and made a move. He actually had to try a couple of times because I kept brushing it off awkwardly (I honestly originally thought it was still part of the joke) but then after I had time to wrap my head around it I went for it, thinking, “meh, we’ve been friends for so long, we’ll survive a one-night thing.” (word of the wise: DO NOT EVER THINK YOU WILL, I think you can guess where this is going)
    For a few weeks since then we sneaked around our other friends (we have quite a large group of high school friends), sending each other very flirty texts (ok we sexted), while largely started hanging out a lot more often than we normally do (I think at one point I saw him every day for a whole week). He then invited me to join him and our two friends (who are a couple) on a weekend resort trip, which I ended up going to thinking that we would be having a lot of sex and then hang out and have fun like friends do.
    A week leading up to the trip, however, he began to change. We were still very suggestive, but now we also started being a little cuter than normal (you know what I’m talking about, certainly not the way you talk to either guy best friend or sex-only partner). I caught myself feeling all warm and fuzzy a few times and had to stop just because I didn’t want to get ahead of myself. He also suddenly decided to extend his visit, on which he said was for me, but I chose not to believe it, I mean, guys have said crazier things for sex. Then the weekend came and we went away for the trip.
    The trip was the best three days I’ve had for a very long time, but a lot of it was a very confusing dance. First and foremost, he had always been really reliable, and the casual sex before was great, but this was a whole other thing. He was genuinely caring, he took care of me, yes the sex was intense, and we connected even more than I did with previous boyfriends. I know that we’ve always been comfortable with each other, but I have to point out that we are both quite uncomfortable with intimacy to begin with, and several times I caught him about to say something when we were just cuddling but didn’t, several times also I had to pull back because I almost couldn’t handle being so vulnerable. We also spent some time having sorta-double dates with our other friends, who by now probably knew what was happening but chose to not say anything (which makes me even more confused) although at one point, when we were doing some girl chats, the girlfriend said something along the lines of him seeming really happy with this visit he’s even extending his time here, which was something she never thought he would do.
    Anyway now we’re back home and he’s doing another trip with said friend, and has been a little quiet (although it’s probably because there’s no wifi) and I found myself with so many conflicting emotions inside. I know that I’ve always loved and cared about him, and regardless of anything, I want him in my life forever, and I know in that regards he shares this feeling with me. When I think about him now, I get more fuzzy feelings than the usual friendly love and I can tell I’m probably starting to fall for him, but I’m also not sure what his motives are, and if I can trust him, even though I know he’s a genuinely good person. As friends we work well even across the sea, but I’m afraid of how terribly insecure and manic I would be if we were to start something. I can tell he’s also confused about his feelings and my responses, too, but I’m not sure about being the one to bring it up, especially when I myself am still unsure of where I stand. Basically I’m just really shit-scared and confused.
    So… 😐 I know this is very long but any opinions?

    #55016
    Matt
    Participant

    Ruby,

    Your confusion is understandable, lots of changes have happened recently in your connection to him. Its difficult to understand those changes without knowing his side. It sounds like he is interested, but fwb or romance is difficult to say without knowing his side. This makes communication such an important part of stabilizing any relationship… we have to talk about the changes, our side of things, and ask for theirs.

    Otherwise we end up spending a lot of energy trying to know, trying to figure out their side, relate to fantasies in the mind, and so forth. Said differently, if you’re courageous enough to have sex with him, perhaps you could find the courage to talk to him? Its a little interesting that “we had sex, but talking about our feelings is vulnerable, scary”. You laid naked with him in body, perhaps now is a good time to lay naked with him in emotion. Either he’s right there with you, or he isn’t… and its better to know, in my opinion.

    If those were my shoes, I would accept the awkwardness of the changes, emotions, and future, and bring it up lightly, honestly, and with hope. Perhaps you could bring up your side first, with the tingles, the appreciation of the friendship, the budding feelings, the greatness of the sex, the enjoyment of the time spent, the tender attentions… the whole shebang. Let him know how his actions have been received, and perhaps it will strengthen his courage to do more, give more, or even pull back if he was looking for something casual. 13 years is a long time as friends… so consider that the changes are probably disorienting for him too. And, its not all in his hands, you have some say!

    Consider that love makes us bold, and we can use that courage to open up. Yes, you might get hurt, but you’ve been through that before, know what heartbreak feels like. For me, the beauty of love has always been worth the potential of heartbreak… because there’s the chance that love will blossom. So for me, I just open and share what I think, feel, and see… and breathe through the responses as best I can, then share some more of what ever comes up. Along the way, we figure it out. Good luck!

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #55023
    -M
    Participant

    Ruby,

    Interesting story. I see that you’ve asked for opinions.

    First off, is he still living out of the country and only visiting intermittently? The reality is that if this becomes serious, someone will have to move.

    Next, I would agree with Matt. It is easy for us quickly use up our energy speculating. If you genuinely want to know where his head is at, you must ask him. If you do, you should be prepared to disclose where you’re at as well. As Dale Carenegie describes in “How not to Worry”, we should try to gather information before worrying. I believe that you’re in the information-gathering phase.

    Lastly, you mentioned that he struggles with depression. From my experience, persons with depressive tendencies can really take it out of us. Although we may wish to rescue them, that really isn’t our role. Furthermore, though it may appear as though we can rescue them initially, the effect will fade over time. As many of the articles on this site point to, the depressed person must become responsible for addressing his depression himself.

    Most importantly, my thoughts are simply an opinion – not advice. Only you will know what is best for yourself. With matters of the heart, I tend to try to follow my heart more than my head. But you must trust your decision-making ability.

    There is nothing to be scared of. Things work out the way that they should. As quoted before, “Remember that sometimes not getting what you want is a wonderful stroke of luck.”- Dalai Lama

    The emotions you describe are exciting. Enjoy the ride.
    -M

    #55036
    Ruby
    Participant

    Thanks you guys, your replies are giving me some courage to let me ask the questions I need to ask myself, which as eclpanth points out, should probably come with asking him.
    To answer your question eclpanth, he is currently living abroad, spending most of his time traveling (backpacking around for leisure) in a sort-of indefinite time frame, although his family is here and they expect him to return eventually (family business). He himself is not sure about anything at this point, but more than anything I just want him to have the life that makes him happy, even if that means him living across the ocean. In that sense, too, I’m starting to be calmer because I know deep down we both mean well and want each other to be happy regardless.
    So for now I’m taking deep breaths, hope that when I get to see him next weekend after his trip I will get the courage and clear the air and have a nice laugh like we always do!

    #55281
    Ruby
    Participant

    A little update: we had a talk, and while we agreed that we had a really nice time bonding during our trip (and his trip so far in general) we realize that he has a life abroad and i have a life here, and we should just cherish what we have now: a great friend, great sex, and above all a good companionship.
    I’ve also been thinking and I realized that whatever pang I’m feeling in my heart is because I was truly moved by the intimacy we shared during our trip, and sad as it is, it was only meant for that time. I’m certainly not thinking of continuing ahead for anything serious, as I think I’m not emotionally ready for that, but it’s good to know I am able to share that with someone and intimacy is not a scary thing, when time comes that I’m ready I can do it again (with him or someone else).
    I’m truly happy with this lesson! Thank you guys for helping me through it. Best of lucks!

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