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July 29, 2016 at 9:38 am #110868KatieParticipant
How do you deal when you make one giant mistake that is irreversable and you feel its effects throughout your life and worry you will FOREVER? I want to keep this as brief as possible but really am desperate for some advice and perspective and someone to listen so I appreciate everyone who happens to read…
Basically it boils down to deciding to pursue a relationship with a much younger co-worker (although I’m not sure if I was honestly interested in a relationship or just sex) and screwed over the man who I still believe to be my soulmate in the process. This happened over TWO YEARS ago and I regret it every single day and think about him and miss him even more often than that. One month after we split up he met someone and fell in love and they are still together, so I know there is no going back and I try to frame it in my mind that this is what had to happen and he is in a good relationship now, so it was all meant to be. But I still feel so lost and stuck and like I will never meet someone I connect with like we did. I’m also in a relationship but I know it’s not what I want but am so terrified of being alone and I don’t trust myself to end it because of the AWFUL relationship decisions I have made in the past.
I know there’s not much info here, but am hoping for a conversation with some of you insightful folks. I don’t want to overwhelm with too much info all at once but am really hopeful someone can give me some tips for how to move on from this and let it go. I’ve thought I need to be hypnotized to forget him, he is just constantly present in my mind.
For some history and perspective – he (let’s go by his intial, J) and I were together on and off from about age 19 to 25 (I am 32 now). After our last break up at 25, I met and began a relationship with a man (call him S) I would become engaged to and move across the country with. About 2 years into S and my relationship, I ran into J at a restaurant and was hit with lingering feelings for him. I tried to fight these feelings for another 2 years while still with S but eventually decided to reach out to J and he confessed that he was still in love with me as well. This was enough to seal the deal so I broke it off with S and moved back home. J and I resumed a relationship and had what I remember to be a pretty great year together. Although I know I must be remembering it with rose colored glasses because at the end of that year I started a flirtation with an intern at work (R). R and I went out for drinks after work and made out. I told J immediately. He wanted to give me another chance but I didn’t want it. I wanted to pursue a relationship with R – which lasted a whopping 3 months.
It’s the most ridiculous set of happenings and reading back through this I’m pretty ashamed at what appears to be a bouncing from relationship to relationship with a lack of any sense of loyalty to anyone. I’ve been finding myself in the last 2 years feeling completely alone and just generally depressed and feel like it must be karma but I want to get over it and enjoy my life!!!
Thanks for reading, and I’m looking forward to and appreciative of any feedback.
July 29, 2016 at 1:40 pm #110906OH BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL person, YOU ARE PERFECT AS YOU ARE <3 You will get through this. it is okay to make mistakes but do not beat yourself up for them. You know you did all you could and that this is a confusing time but there is a blessing in this, discovering yourself, your hobbies and passions and exactly figuring out what you want in a soul mate. YOU ARE WORTH LOVING and so beautiful and you will not be alone forever. be happy by yourself for now, its not a bad or sad thing. it is the moment you need to be able to grow..evolve and know what you want, this is a period before you get exactly what you desire in life for your future. The perfect man for you, will come back to you, will treat you like the queen you are, will not make you feel bad, you will only have pure love and doing your best for him. do not blame yourself. remember the beauty in everyday life, like being able to meet those people and being in love and happy and alive, you can surely be this WITHOUT any men! first be happy to be alive just by being you and yourself. do ANYTHING thayt gives you joy, call up a friebnd, laugh, go explore and take it all make the most of the life you have been given. <3 you can be single andcompletely FREE AND HAPPY! This is a good time for you to work on being loyal and do what you can <3 think of this time as a blessing not a curse. its not karma, you did your best we all make some decisions we arent proud of but hey LIVE LIFE TO THE FULLEST NO REGRETS! YOU LOVED TWO PEOPLE VERY IMMENSELY <3 WHAT JOY WHAT PASSION! <3 and you aren't a disloyal cheating anything. you didnt wanna hurt anyone and couldnt control your feelings. we are human and its good to love and i know you will find the right person. please keep loving you, appreciate the miracles in everyday life like waking up, food, laughter, touch, smell, breathing being able to eat and walk do what gives u joy <3 dont focus on the past. its that for a reason it gave you lessons and helped you grow. CHEERS TO A BEAUTIFUL NEW FUTURE OF POSSIBILITIES PROUD OF YOU WAY TO GO YOU BEAUTIFUL LPERSON <3 I felt this too a bout people, then i ended up single for a bit was happy gues what?> found the love of my life still to this day! if it can happen to many people and me, IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU<3 HAVE HOPE YOU CAN YOU WILL FIND HIM AND YOU CAN STILLL <3 BE GRATEFUL happy everyday and choose to look on the bright side and dcountyour blessings all the blessings <3333
July 29, 2016 at 1:51 pm #110907KatieParticipantThank you for that super sweet and encouraging message Lifelifeloveeleni!! I believe you are a beautiful person too. š You gave me lots of positive things to remember and think about and I am grateful for that. I think part of my struggle right now really has to do with currently being in a relationship I’m not happy in but I’m finding it so hard to get some courage to get out. It feels so much easier to just be complacent…
July 29, 2016 at 8:40 pm #110926AnonymousGuestDear Katie:
What was the relationship with J like? Why was it on and off again for so long? How did he treat you? How did you treat him? What were the problems in the relationship? Why did it end?
What about the relationship With S?
With R?
Hope you can share things that matter about each relationship, so I can have an idea about what they were like.
anita
July 29, 2016 at 9:30 pm #110931Miniature BodhisattvaParticipantHi Katie,
First thing, since you mentioned the “K” word – karma – I’m going to clear up something…it’s not punishment, which is one of the big misconceptions of the concept, especially in the West. Karma (or in the Pali language, kamma) is roughly translated as action. Now, while the idea can be found in Hinduism, Taoism, and many other Eastern belief systems, I’m going to speak to the Buddhist take on it since that’s my background…karma is actually more cause and effect. You plant lemon seeds, a lemon tree grows. You do a harmful action, you suffer, not because there’s some cosmic force cursing you as payback, but because that’s the natural result of what you did. Another way to think about it is this, if it’s freezing outside, and you don’t wear a coat and you get frostbite – would you consider that some divine punishment? Probably not. You’d say, “huh, that wasn’t the right thing to do. Well, I’ve learned, and next time I’ll bundle up.”
So, coming back to you and the alphabet men…you made out with this R fellow while you were with J, and you broke things off because of it. Things didn’t work out with R, and now you’re in pain because you have feelings that you “lack of any sense of loyalty to anyone” and may have ruined things with a man that you consider to be your soulmate. You’re not alone and depressed because of karma, you are alone and depressed because you are (even if it’s not by your own choosing), reflecting on what happened and processing the feelings. When you’re done doing this important work, and learned your lessons from it, these negative feelings will go away.
We all make missteps and are flawed. Forgive yourself. Strive to do better next time. That’s what I really want to leave you with.
Many blessings your way!
July 30, 2016 at 3:07 pm #111000SuzyParticipantDear Katie,
Thank you for your courage and honesty. I felt like I was reading MY story in parts of your story. I wanted to reach out to tell you that you are right where you are supposed to be. It may not feel like it but when you step so bravely into the darkness, in search of the light, you come out on the other side with clarity and opportunity to do that deeper search of self. I have been slowly learning that I have to grieve my past hurts, losses and disappointments. If I don’t deal with them, they will continue to make their way into my present life. The grief process (even if it is not the death of someone) can be scary. Any loss whether it be job, home, relationship deserves to be grieved. So many things can become clear and accessible if you stay true to yourself. I wish you peace on your journey.
Namaste,
SuzyAugust 1, 2016 at 6:01 am #111161KatieParticipantThanks all for your responses! I’m sorry it’s taken me a couple days to respond – I don’t have internet at home and find it too tedious to type thoughtful responses on my phone, so I had to wait till I was at work to get back to you.
suzb – Thank you. What a powerful reminder of exactly what I need to be reminded of right now. I think I will come back to your message again and again. It is so scary to take some time out and work on myself because I worry about what I might be missing out on in the process. I know this is illogical, but it’s this stupid fear that I just can’t shake. Truthfully, I have realized I’ve been drinking a little dysfunctionally as a way to avoid dealing with these things and that has probably set me back. I’ve been confronting that issue and just for the past week of not drinking I can see how I’m already thinking more clearly and I do believe I will sort through these feelings and come out the other side. It’s so helpful to have this community to help me with that. š
Miniature Bodhisattva – Thank you for the clarification! That is a pretty empowering distinction, and I appreciate your kindness and taking the time to write. I have a hard time wondering when I will be done processing these feelings? It’s been over two years already but I guess I’ve been running from everything by using alcohol, pot, and other relationships to not confront anything. And I don’t know what this processing looks like? Sitting at home alone, reflecting? Just doing things that I enjoy? You can see how I feel quite lost and confused sometimes.
Anita – the relationship with J was fun, spontaneous and easy. We enjoyed being around each other, things were NEVER boring, we laughed a lot and we just generally got each other on a pretty deep level. We were without a doubt best friends. The problem was all the practical stuff – I was always a student and eventually got my master’s degree, while he never finished high school. My mom didn’t like him at all and would make no effort to talk to him when he was around. She was worried I was always paying for things for him, which I did do some but not excessively. J didn’t have any strong parental role models and I feel like he really didn’t learn a lot of life skills that I would have to be making up for and worrying about. I guess that was one thing that sticks with me – the feeling that when we were together I was the one who needed to always be taking care of things, and this created a lot of anxiety in me that manifested as being outwardly very critical of him. I would say this is what eroded our relationship the first time around and caused all the break ups and make ups – the fact that I was so critical and he was unwilling to man up (he did admit this when we got together the last time). He treated me well…we are both emotional so we could have blow ups at times but I don’t feel either of us ever became abusive. If he hadn’t met his current girlfriend (actually they are engaged) when he did I fully believe I would have come to my senses and SOON and we would’ve got back together again. Logically though I know that even if we had I wouldn’t have learned the exact lessons I am meant to be learning now and for the past two years and we probably wouldn’t have succeeded because of that.
Ok, relationship with S – was a complete opposite to J. S was stable and successful and older and I felt completely taken care of by him and like it was an actual adult relationship. He is a Brit who was working in the states when we met, and after being together for about a year and a half he had to go back to the UK so we did long distance for another year and a half and then he got a job in Maryland (I’m from Indiana) so we moved there together where we were for yet another year and a half before I ended it and moved back to Indy. I would say things were great until he had to go back home…I started feeling a lack of connection but decided to take a leap of faith and move to Maryland with him anyway hoping that being together would make everything better. I became isolated and missed my family and home and because of circumstances the only way for us to move back to Indiana together was to finally get married and I just couldn’t take that step. S treated me great and in the beginning I was also great. Towards the end, I became overly critical yet again and I know I hurt him a lot.
The relationship with R is really just a blip on the screen. We both started at a company around the same time and developed a kind of teasing friendship but there was definite chemistry there that most people could see. He had VERY recently lost his mom to cancer and I felt some strange pull to make him feel better (I don’t even know how to explain this). Our relationship became physical pretty much immediately when we started meeting outside of work but I was always the one trying to make plans and driving to his house and I really feel pretty lame about all of it especially because I betrayed J in the process – although I did break it off with J the first time R and I kissed. But still…Anyway, R went back to college (yes, quite a bit younger than me. dumb!) and we had a couple good weekends together before he became distant and broke things off with me. I’m sure I was putting too much pressure on him for a real and serious relationship. I probably wanted him to replace J’s role in my life which was obviously unfair. R has since graduated college and come back to work full time at the company I am still at and there is surprisingly no awkwardness but also NO RESIDUAL FEELINGS. I think this is what kills me – how I could have sacrificed this relationship with J for a fling with someone I now see on a daily basis and neither of us feel anything for one another. I just don’t know what I could have been thinking.
Geeze, thank you for reading all of this Anita, and I am really hopeful to start conversing about it with you.
August 1, 2016 at 9:09 am #111181AnonymousGuestDear Katie:
I read your last post and then re-read your original post. You wrote that you are hopeful we can start conversing about this, well I am willing.
In your most recent post you mentioned your mother for the first time, that she was critical of J, of your relationship with J, worrying you were paying for things. In turn, you were critical of J, expressing your (mother’s/ your own) criticism of him to him, demanding that he mans up. Am I correct so far?
Will you share your mother’s … contributions to your relationships with men- what she taught you in this regard, anything at all that can be relevant?
anita
August 1, 2016 at 9:45 am #111184LesterParticipantAlan Watts once said, you have to regard yourself as the clouds. Because clouds never make mistakes. There is no such thing as wrongly shaped clouds.
Often times we view a terrible feeling as a result of our actions in the past. We think we purposely hurt ourselves for some reason. We really don’t. We just experience life that is largely not in our control. We can’t control the people we meet at certain times of our lives. We can’t control our emotions at certain points of our lives. The thing is there is no such things as the wrong feeling, the wrong state to be in, or the wrong lifestyle. There is just experience. Experience include everything in life like sadness, fear, joy, and peace. I believe that we experience all these different variety of experience because it is what makes life colorful. There is a reason when a beautiful painting is often composed of different colors. Because colors when laid out on a canvas in a specific way makes a portrait pleasing to view. Just like the painting, we are suppose to have a range of different experiences. Because eventually, when you are ready to realize it you will see beauty in it.
Know that you are beautiful in every way, and you deserve happiness. But avoiding unhappiness does not mean it’s the path to happiness. So dance with life like no one is watching. Sing with it like no one is listening. Love it like you have never been heartbroken. Goodluck!
August 1, 2016 at 10:38 am #111187KatieParticipantlgdelacruz92 – thank you for the support, that means a lot to me. It is a perspective like the one you shared that I possess when I am at the most peace in my life but I know in the last several months I have lost it or found it increasingly difficult to grasp. For whatever reason. I think I just need to practice being mindful and non-judgmental about whatever I am feeling. I like this image of picturing ourselves as the clouds.
Anita – thank you š To answer your questions, that is basically correct although I never really told him that he needed to man up. This was what he realized that he hadn’t done when we were together the first time and so was trying to when we were together more recently. I do feel that my mom constantly thought he wasn’t good enough for me and it’s possible I slowly adopted that feeling also.
Overall, my relationship with my mom is a pretty big can of worms. She has been diagnosed as bipolar but after taking medications and suffering side effects for years she is untreated. I don’t think it’s severe but it has shown itself in my own life as her presence being very inconsistent. She will be super involved and energetic for a month or two and then emotionally disappear for a month or two. This has happened repeatedly throughout my life. Also a lot of anger and bitterness but I’m not really sure what for. Anyway…she and my dad divorced when I was a baby, she remarried when I was 6 to an emotionally abusive and EXTREMELY controlling and jealous man. She and I couldn’t do anything together because he thought it wasn’t fair to leave his kids out. She went along with it all but there was constant fighting. She was in this relationship till I was 16 and we moved out, but ex-step-dad continued to come over for sex for a couple years. Gross that I know that, but I do. To this day she gets defensive when I try to bring up that shitty part of my childhood but has no problem talking about how rough she had it when she was married to him. She hasn’t displayed any real interest in dating since. As for her role in my own dating life, other than her dislike of J, she’s left it mostly up to me. She loved S big time, but he was a parent’s dream really. I know my mom loves me probably more than anything but I do sometimes struggle with wanting to blame her for a lot of my issues…self loathing, being overly critical, isolating myself, having a hard time connecting with people….August 1, 2016 at 7:21 pm #111261AnonymousGuestDear Katie:
It is very difficult to grow up with a mother you cannot trust, involved and withdrawing, unreliable, unstable, untrustworthy. You didn’t grow up with your bio father and the father figure you did have was an abusive man.
This tells me that your attachment as a child was to your mother. A child has to be attached to a care taker for survival and she was your only option. This means that what she thinks is very important to you, that you tried and still try to please her. She was critical of J, and you followed suit with criticizing him and leaving him. She liked S and you responded with moving in with S.
To separate from her, mentally, that is to end the lifelong attachment to her, you will need, I believe, psychotherapy with a competent, empathetic (reliable, stable, trustworthy) therapist.
In your original post you wrote: “Iām pretty ashamed at what appears to be a bouncing from relationship to relationship with a lack of any sense of loyalty to anyone.”
The sad, sad thing (and I feel sad) is that your loyalty has been to your mother. It is this loyalty that is harming you. You are a very loyal person, unfortunately it is to the wrong person.
You had no choice as a child to be loyal to her, there was no other person for you to be loyal to, that is to form the attachment you had to form, as does every child and many animals. Forming an attachment to a therapist of the kind I mentioned will be a beginning in separating from her.
Hope you post again.
anita
August 2, 2016 at 10:25 am #111321KatieParticipantHey Anita,
Thanks for your thoughtful insight. I think you have some valid points. I have been to counseling on and off and have never really found it to be much help. Finding the right person is essential and that hasn’t been easy. I’ve found most of the therapists I’ve seen have a theory about why you have the problems you have before they even know the whole story and then try to frame everything to fit that – always focusing on that and possibly missing other important stuff in the process. Either that or they don’t really do anything but listen blankly.
Growing up, I actually did have a relationship with my bio dad. He got together with his partner when I was very young and they had an awful break up about 3 years ago. Even though I was only with them every other weekend, they created a very stable and loving home for me. Also probably showed me what a loving relationship looks like since I did not have that example from my mom. Even though that was the case, the fact he is gay was difficult for me growing up as I attended a small Lutheran school and felt constantly like there was something wrong with me because I had this “sinful” secret in my family. Once I entered public high school I grew to embrace it until it eventually became a non-issue, but I struggled greatly with it early on.
I think you have given me a lot to think on, and I appreciate that. I knew some of my struggles could probably be traced to my mom but wasn’t really sure how other than that she was my main role model and example of what is “normal”. Never really thought of it like you have laid out for me. I hope to hear from you again.
Katie
August 2, 2016 at 11:10 am #111326AnonymousGuestDear Katie:
How is your relationship with your father now, your bio father? Is he/ can he be helpful to you more than he has been, through deeper, more frequent conversations maybe?
I agree with your observations of psychotherapists. Unfortunately true.
Because you saw your bio dad only every other weekend and because your step father was abusive, that leaves your mother having been your main caretaker. So she is it. She has a huge influence on those connections between brain cells that make our life experience what it is. These neuropathways, these connections were formed during our formative years, mainly as a result of interactions with the … main caretaker, your mother.
Anytime you post, I will reply.
anita
August 2, 2016 at 12:32 pm #111333KatieParticipantAnita, I am truly touched by your responsiveness here. š Also reading over some other threads and the way you’ve talked with people and helped them sort out their issues…I am just really grateful and I hope you know you are a beautiful person.
Unfortunately, my dad and I haven’t been so close in the last few years. When he was going through his break up with his ex (who had been another father figure to me since the age of 3), my dad would share far too many personal details of their relationship with me. He would keep me on the phone for hours, just talking trash about the ex and failing to respect my boundaries. I had always had some guilty feelings for him…like if I was anything less than loving he would fall apart. He knew how to manipulate this. Like getting really short and pouty if I had to get off the phone. Even as a little kid I can remember him saying things to me like “I only get you for 4 days out of 30…” and I can remember feeling responsible for this. Feeling responsible for both his and my mom’s happiness, but I couldn’t make them both happy at the same time, so always torn. Anyway, when I was living in Maryland and going through my own adult life struggles and splitting up with my ex, I decided to stop falling for the guilt trip trap and started cutting our contact down because I WAS DEALING WITH MY OWN ISSUES. I feel that he is only happy when in a relationship and he becomes CONSUMED with that person when he is in one (which is always). Like it is all he can talk about and this leaves little to no room for me to share my stuff. He is a 65 year old man and in this regard he reminds me of a 12 year old girl who has her first crush. I feel if we have one thing going it is honesty (at least on my part – he is very selective with what information he will share and with whom). I have repeatedly and currently try to maintain a relationship with him but at a bit of a distance and I try to see it for what it is but at the same time keep an open mind with him. He has told me since I was small “your mom and dad are the only people in the world who will love you no matter what.” He is aware of my mom’s emotional tendencies, so yes – he is someone I sometimes talk to about that stuff but he doesn’t like to spend too much time talking about me lol.
August 2, 2016 at 12:42 pm #111335AnonymousGuestDear Katie:
You are welcome and thank you for your kind words!
Oh, I didn’t know about your bio father. Not a good idea to try again to get close to him. Not at all. It was wrong for him to lose his senses and make you his confidant, very wrong, for crying out loud. It’s a role reversal. When I suggested you talking with him, it was for the purpose of him being helpful to you, not more of the other way around.
So both parents, or all three are out of the equation when it comes to your healing. The help and support you need is with neither one. Lots of adult children are stuck in years and decades of trying to get water out of a rock, that is trying to find solution where the problem is. These people created and promoted your problems. The last place where the solution is – is in relationships with them.
Healing is elsewhere. this is a very important principle. As I said, you save years and decades understanding this one.
anita
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