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  • #157134
    Shawna
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    Hello. First post here, so please bare with me.

    Background- Around 21 I got really into drugs. During that time I met a guy, or basically a boy, who was 18. We clicked. I never thought of him as someone I’d date- but a few months into our friendship he dropped the hints that he was way into me. I had been single since I was with my sons dad (my son was 3 at this time). We decided to give eachother a chance, but nothing official. We had all these deep conversations about our lives and how we both wanted better for ourselves. I felt sparks when we kissed- it felt like the real deal. A week into that we decided to “date”. That very same night we made a promise to quit the drugs. That very same night he broke that promise. I forgave him- I know it’s not easy. A few months into our relationship things were getting rocky. He got really insecure, was still using, and honestly- I was about to scram. But, low and behold- I’m pregnant. I was so pissed. I felt like I messed up bigtime, but I stayed. Throughout the pregnancy we went through alot. He eventually got sober and we moved into a place together. After probably 5 or so months of sobriety he got heavily into drinking. So fast forward to now- our baby is 6 months old. Things are bad. He’s an angry drunk, he drinks beer almost everyday, starts fights, gets incoherent and passes out right after dinner, forgets things the next day, etc etc. He totalled my car drunk driving, and wrecked up his own doing the same 2 months after mine. He’s promised a million times that he’s done drinking. He promised he’s done trashing our cars. He admits he needs help and that he sees the havoc he’s causing…. but where is the line???? I’ve forgiven so, so much and tried so hard to hold it together and be patient. I truly love him and he’s not a terrible guy, but the substance abuse is a real red flag. I wanna beat the crap out of him. I blame myself for even stepping into these shoes, I wish I ran the first night he broke a promise to me. I feel like my kids and myself deserve better than the stupid shit he’s putting us through. He will do okay for a few days or sometimes even a few weeks at a time- but he always seems to fall back on it. I need advice before I go insane.

    #157168
    Craig
    Participant

    Hi Shawna,

    Well, I think you’re involved with an addict. I’d suggest you get involved with an Al Anon group, a local one if possible, on-line if there is no local one. You can’t change him. But you can change yourself.

    Craig

    #157176
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Shawna:

    My advice:

    1. Do what you can do so that he doesn’t drive, that he loses his driving license so that he doesn’t drink and drive and endanger the lives of any passengers riding with him or other drivers and pedestrians on the roads.

    2. See to it that you do not have another child with him.

    3. Plan and execute a plan to live separately from him so to protect your two children from the distress caused by him drinking and living with him. The kids need a peaceful, safe home free of fighting and distress, as much as possible.

    I hope you post again.

    anita

    #157178
    PearceHawk
    Participant

    Hi Shawna…

    I hope that as you read this you have embraced the strength necessary to confront this big problem in such a way that you are no longer involved with this person. There are a number of issues that need immediate attention. First, before you forgive him, you must totally forgive yourself for making bad choices. You said, “I truly love him.” There is a difference in loving someone, and being IN love. I love many people. I care for many people. But I am not IN love with them. You said, “he’s not a terrible guy.” I respectfully disagree. I say that because he is absolutely terrible to himself as he is well rooted in his self destructive behavior. How can you justify going down in your life and taking your children with his self destructive behavior? When you said, “I blame myself” you surely must know that it is not your responsibility to correct his self destructive behavior. Based on your description of his behaviors and habits, I do not believe that you are qualified to correct his behavior. His being dishonest with himself, and toward you as well, clearly is not your job to fix. You asked, “but where is the line???” You KNOW where that line is. It is his ongoing, untreated  addiction, his habitual verbal abuse which is setting the stage for physical violence. Drug addiction coupled with the need for alcohol along with the hostile verbal abuse is a perfect storm for something very terrible to happen. Think about that…a drug/alcohol induced tirade leads up to shattered lives, broken families, and death, either to someone or himself, as well as to you. This happens ALL THE TIME EVERY SINGLE DAY! What else happens all the time is the person involved with a person with this personality feels the need to be the one to save” him. His addictions, his verbal abuse, his penchant for lying, is NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY! Your only responsibility is to you and your son and your child to be. PLEASE accept that it is perfectly ok, perfectly right, to walk away from this relationship. Staying with him and accepting his behavior is to nurture his behavior. You take care of you, and your family. PLEASE for your sake, and the sake of your children, leave, walk away. In doing so you will not only resurrect the Phoenix inside yourself and come out stronger, but doing so will be an incredible display of strength, character, and integrity to your children. You said, “I feel like my kids and myself deserve better than.” I think there is a much stronger belief in saying “My kids and I DO deserve better.” Because you do. As long as you stay, take responsibility for his behavior, and desire to “fix” him, you will not have better. Shawna, there are an infinite number of amazing things waiting for you and your children. Go get them 🙂

    Pearce

    #157194
    Monk
    Participant

    Only stay with him, if he is ready and willing to go through a rehab program and be sober. Monitor his commitment for a few months, and if he reverts back to his old habits – you got to leave him, that is the only solution.

    #157200
    Eliana
    Participant

    Hi Shawna,

    He can’t stop by willpower alone, he can say he will get help, or that he will stop, and sometimes it does happen, but unless he gets treatment, it does not stop. I’m a daughter of an Alcoholic, who severely neglected and abused me in my early childhood.

    There first needs to be some kind of intervention. This is where his family gets involved. A professional comes over and sits down, with you and his family and talks to him and tells him to get into recovery. If he does not do this immediately, you need to take your baby and leave. Go to a safe place. Have no contact with him, until he has been in AA or treatment for at least a year if not longer. Don’t call him, e-mail. Go to courts to have some custody of your child.

    If he does not get into treatment after intervention, things most likely will get worse. I fear for your safety and your baby. Many alcoholics become abusers, first emotional and verbal, then insults, crashes, pounding things, tantrums, and finally he may end up physically hurting you and your baby, and I know this is not the life you want. You must leave before it’s too late, if not for yourself, for your beautiful child. Even if you have to stay in a domestic violence shelter. He won’t change without intervention, AA therapy, and it’s best for you to go to courts and have some custody as he is unable at this time to be a father or a husband. Please go to a safe place. Keep us posted.

     

    #157226
    Shawna
    Participant

    Thanks for all the replies, I truly appreciate it. It was hard to cover everything in my origional post without rambling. He has been doing “better” I would say. I feel as if he needs to quit drinking completely for the time being based on his prior behavior. He’s admitted to me after the last bought of him screwing up his car that he needs to quit entirely. Well, the thing is- He’s still drinking some days!!! He isn’t getting horribly drunk and stupid, but I am upset that he hasn’t quit completely. I just feel so lost and alone. I am embarassed to tell my family about this. His family is very… off. They are all so against eachother and broken that an intervention would be hard to get together. We literally don’t even have a car right now, so AA is not a simple option at the time, nor does he want to go. He is so set in his ways. It’s frustrating because when it’s good- it’s so good, but when it’s bad…. I just can’t handle anymore. I am so stressed, depressed, and I feel so betrayed.

    I wish I knew of some good ways to word the things I wanna say to him. I am terrible when it comes to verbally expressing my feelings and sometimes it comes out as a big angry explosion. But I feel I DO have the right to feel angry and betrayed. He’s sworn up and down this behavior would end and somehow it just keeps creeping back. It’s been about a month now since his last drinking and driving episode or full on drunk blowout- but I still worry he will do it again. I bought myself a van to fix up and hopefully have a vehicle and I do not want him to drive it at all. Is that mean? I don’t have much trust for him and until he proves he wont drink and drive I am going to refuse to let him use it at all even sober.

    I am a strong woman, I know that I can do things on my own. With my current situation it will take some saving and sneaky apartment finding or something- but I can get away and I know that. Love is just a tricky thing. Is this love or am I seriously just this desperate that I’m trying to save a hopeless soul? I don’t think he’s hopeless, I just wish he would get his shit together before I have to leave.

    #157338
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Shawna:

    You are welcome. You wrote: ” I bought myself a van to fix up and hopefully have a vehicle and I do not want him to drive it at all. Is that mean?”- it is not mean, it is sensible and responsible. You can only help him (and helping is kind), if you don’t protect him from the reasonable consequences of his actions. His action was to drink and drive and total the car. Reasonable consequence= he is not allowed to drive your van.

    I understand that he is not hopeless and that he really wants to stop drinking. He probably is trying very hard. Thing is, back to actions and reasonable consequences, there are… consequences to what we choose to do. Doesn’t matter his choices are impulsive and out of desperation, there are still consequences.

    Consider your well being and the well being of your child first, make sure the two of you are safe and well.

    anita

    #158224
    Shawna
    Participant

    I’m really scared to leave, mostly because I feel I need to save up money and plan a route. I just can’t deal with the drinking. I want a better life than this for my kids and myself. I told him I was done and can’t do this anymore. He’s drunk though, so talking does no good. Anyways, I’m working on it. Please send positive vibes and any advice.

    #158240
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Shawna:

    Best would be if a friend could be there for you in person, hold your hand, help you to physically move out, providing you a safe place to live for a while. Fear is a powerful emotion and we need help doing the right thing for ourselves in spite of the fear.

    Without such in-person support, it is still possible to operate sensibly in spite of the fear if we take one day at a time (the AA saying..), one small step at a time, not looking too far ahead into the future but seeing what is right in front of you, what to do next. Take breaks when anxious, as in taking a walk or a hot bath. Then get social support wherever you can. If posting here is such support for you, please do post again and again.

    anita

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