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March 25, 2019 at 4:58 pm #286327SonaParticipant
I have been going through a lot of stuff and feel lonely most of the time. I do want to experience a loving and kind relationship but got hurt deeply, so i am not ready now as there is so much pain.
Listening to spiritual talks, going inside my heart helps. And if I do meditation twice a day, I connect with my friends, go out enjoy life a bit still with sadness in the background. But at least participating in life.
However, there are times when I don’t want to meditate even though I know it’s helpful, I have no energy..and as a result, feel more sad.
Spirituality says to leave it to the universe, trust , see a bigger picture but sometimes it just hurts and so painful.
Why there are 90% people only live in their minds and ok with it and people who are sensitive, deep thinker get hurt alot..?
I guess I am just trying to ask how to stay optimistic and follow a routine like meditation, healthy eating etc. when you are going through intense feelings of sadness and loss.
How to trust a universe that things will work out sometime somehow?
Thanks,
Sona
March 25, 2019 at 5:14 pm #286329MarkParticipantSona,
I am of mixed mind about how much I’m “taken care of” and how much I am in (almost) control of my own destiny and life.
I think what my spiritual outlook and practice (Taoist/Buddhist-like) is that we all will go through rough times. The purpose of my spiritual practice is knowing how to deal with them. I believe sitting with those kind of sad/bad feelings is the key of being able to deal with life better. I am not really that good in doing that. For the most part, I’d look to distract myself out of my loneliness, boredom, sadness, etc. However, I do believe if I practice more on BEing with whatever negative emotions I experience, the better off I will be in the long run.
I also look to methods that are backed by science on how to be happy. Such methods are: Physical exercise, sleep, disconnect from social media (stop comparing myself with others), connect with others, spend time with Nature, help others/volunteer, meditate, practice gratitude, and spend money on experiences not things.
If you deeply depressed (sad and grieving) that is keeping you from doing those healthy things then first try BEing/sitting/meditating on that sadness and grief. Plus try do a little bit at a time to get to doing healthy things like take a walk around the block for you exercise, have a daily gratitude journal, sign up for a regular volunteer (weekly) duty somewhere (ex. food bank) – there are opportunities you can find on craigslist or websites if you google it.
Does that help?
Mark
March 25, 2019 at 5:29 pm #286335SonaParticipantThank you so much Mark. This was helpful. I have to balance being with my sadness and also participate and connect somewhat with people.
The place where I struggle the most is letting go and trusting. I am trying not to give attention to my negative story but it keeps coming back – I will not find anyone, I will be alone all my life, I will not able to hold any relationship…sometimes at that time I just chant a mantra inside to disassociate with this thinking pattern but sometimes it overtakes me and I feel like not doing anything. That’s when I envy people who are happy drinking, partying and not going deep inside and people who are sensitive care about others hurts alot.
However, your advice is good – the time when negativity is clouding me, just move around, take a walk, go out..I know at some level this is what I should be doing but my body doesn’t want to move..
Thanks again,
Sona
March 25, 2019 at 5:38 pm #286337MarkParticipantSona,
You are welcome. Another tactic to use is to journal. You can write your own story where you are happy, finding a great boyfriend, doing fun things with him and others, enjoying helping others, being connected deeply with a few good friends.
Deep, sensitive people are not great partiers. The world seems to be oriented toward surface extroverts who more doers than thinkers. Embrace your deep, sensitive side. Most sensitive people tend towards the arts, i.e. writing, music, art, etc. More alone activities.
I have connected with people who are similar to me. I am an INFJ. I seek those people who are spiritual, kind, searching, and self aware.
I understand about not wanting to more one’s body. It could be more goal-oriented, i.e. go to the store, to the library, to a bookstore (if they have any of those any more).
Mark
March 25, 2019 at 5:47 pm #286347SonaParticipantWhat is INFJ?
Another good advice about Journaling – here is my another issue I am not good in creating habits, a few days ago I ordered gratitude journal, wrote for 2 days and now it is sitting in my drawer. I went for yoga 2 days loved it but again took a step backward. I will try to push myself on doing things no matter how much my body just wants to stay in the bed.
You are right, it feels like spiritual people are always going against the stream.
Thank you again,
Sona
March 25, 2019 at 6:09 pm #286357AnonymousGuestDear Sona:
I just read your posts in your first thread of almost three years ago where you and I communicated over three pages (you can click your username and find that thread). I am wondering if you still see that therapist you saw at that point four years?
anita
March 25, 2019 at 6:35 pm #286369SonaParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you so much for asking and yes I remember our conversation clearly. Believe it or not, I continued to see him even though he was misleading me on believing that he wants to have a relationship with me someday outside the office.
But a few months ago, I stopped for good (yes, for sure good now) as I realized I am wasting my time and energy, yes I got stronger, however, it also did quite internal damage, I faced rejection over rejection again and again. The reason I kept going back as I trusted him completely and I loved his gentleness and kindness. So, I kept working on how to love him unconditionally without any expectation. But his mixed signals (i am not making it up it was very clear signals that he wanted more too) again build a desire in me for having more with him but when I used to bring it up he would just plain deny it. So I went over that pain of rejection enormous number of times and the sad part is he never helped me deal with it. I also lost confidence in me that something is wrong with me, I am so needy, I am bad to have expectations?
Anyhow, this experience made me more spiritual and I am seeing a woman therapist now and lets’ see what future holds for me. I don’t have courage right now to start a new relationship. I am so hurt. I loved him very deeply.
Sorry for the long reply-
– Sona
March 25, 2019 at 8:30 pm #286379MarkParticipantGoogle Myer-Briggs for INFJ.
INFJs are Introverted, Intuitive, Feeling and Judging personality types. They are gentle, caring and creative people who are highly attuned and sensitive to people’s feelings. Their deep sense of intuition and insight means they are able to understand people and situations instinctively.
While they are often found in caring roles, and helping people whenever they can, they dislike conflict and violence and will go out of their way to avoid it. Conflict and stress takes a toll on INFJs, and they can experience health problems as a result.INFJs aren’t interested in group activities, small talk or superficial relationships. They want and need deep and meaningful connections with a select few people with whom they can talk about ideas and relate to on an emotional and even spiritual level. Despite their caring nature and natural empathy, the INFJ’s focus is internal, and they are driven by the world of ideas, meanings and possibilities, as well as a lifelong search for personal growth, identity and authenticity.
March 26, 2019 at 8:33 am #286417AnonymousGuestDear Sona:
It is a shame when a therapist who is supposed to help a client, is hurting the client instead. Reads like he was a dishonest and unethical person who wanted you to keep seeing him and therefore he fed your hopes to have a relationship with him outside and post therapy. If you had evidence of his deceit, it would be a good idea for you to report him so to prevent more clients being harmed by him.
I had an excellent therapist myself, a man, 2011-2013 and I too wanted contact with him after therapy (I moved out of state), I wanted some kind of a friendship with him. It was heartbreaking for me at the time, to understand that the context of my relationship with him was professional and only professional, that I bought his valuable professional services and once that professional relationship ended, I had no claims to his time and attention.
I don’t suppose you have any evidence of this man’s dishonest and unethical behavior with you?
anita
March 26, 2019 at 2:16 pm #286487SonaParticipantDear Anita,
Well, I am not sure if I call that unethical behavior – as he denied everything and no physical boundary was crossed ever. I can say that it’s his way of therapy and I always had a choice to leave. If I would not have liked his therapy style I would have left but I didn’t. My regret is, wish I could have more open decision with him regarding my feelings around him and when I did bring up anything that suggested that he is also interested in me instead of plain denial we should have explored together on why I felt that etc? He was not afraid to lie, that’s for sure.
I felt very hurt and alone dealing with these rejection emotions and that’s not how therapy should be all the time. Some part of therapy it is needed to grow. But the client always has a choice to continue, so I blame myself too as I kept going back. I always had a choice but the attachment was so strong on my end that I couldn’t.
Thanks-
Sona
March 26, 2019 at 4:14 pm #286501AnonymousGuestDear Sona:
You brought up another topic on this thread and I asked you about your previous topic, the therapy you had (from a previous thread). I can feel how difficult it has been for you and I don’t know if you want to talk about it here more. If you do let me know.
Did you notice Mark’s answer to your recent question to him (his post above)?
anita
March 26, 2019 at 4:29 pm #286511SonaParticipantDear Anita,
Sorry I started talking about the other topic, you asked and I just started sharing.
We can close the discussion, in fact, if you can just delete the responses that are irrelevant to the original topic.
Thanks,
Sona
March 26, 2019 at 6:08 pm #286513AnonymousGuestDear Sona:
You did nothing wrong. I felt that I did something wrong by brining up a topic that is still painful to you. So I suggested to not talk about it if you prefer not to. I wanted you to feel comfortable.
Please do post here about anything at all that you want to talk about next. You are also welcome to start a new thread anytime you want.
anita
March 27, 2019 at 5:32 pm #286663SonaParticipantDear Anita,
Do you think what he did was unethical?
Thanks,
Sona
March 27, 2019 at 5:43 pm #286667AnonymousGuestDear Sona:
Yes, because you wrote: “his mixed signals (I am not making it up it was very clear signals that he wanted more too)- the part I italicized is unethical. I need to be away from the computer for about twelve hours and would like to continue to communicate with you when I am back.
anita
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