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  • #439187
    Jana 🪷
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    Hello,

    first of all, I would like to write that I am very glad to have found this forum. I hope that I might find my small online sangha here. 🙂

    I would like to briefly introduce myself, too. I am Jana (female, 35) from Czechia and I am quite new to Buddhism. I hope that one day I will be able to put my fear of people to rest for good with my deeper understanding and compassion. I apologize that my story is so long… I guess I needed to unburden myself to you here…

    I must write a few words about my childhood because I believe that it shaped some of my worries and puzzlement… I am very introverted and as a child I used to be very sensitive and shy, as well. But I remember being a happy and playful child. I spent a lot of time outside before I turned 6. My parents were very relaxed – they weren’t overprotective and I could play alone outside and discover the world. I loved roaming the streets and nearby woods and because I was really shy I never got myself in troubles with strangers or teenage groups who were smoking etc. I usually joined someone and just watched what they were doing or listened to them, but as soon as the situation got “dangerous” for me (someone asking me to go home with them, giving me cigarettes, picking on me, …), I took leave of them. I played with many animals – rabbits, hedgehogs, cats, frogs, bugs, … I brought a few of them home. 🙂 I had a wonderful imagination and built a wooden house in the woods where I enjoyed my time alone or with some random kids from neighborhood. I remember I was also very meditative at this early age – I was thinking about my soul and some energies which moved my body. I like to “listen” to my heartbeat. I thought that I just borrowed my body here in this life… I was very aware of that I am not only “material” but also something spiritual and it really fascinated me.

    However, yet before I started school, my mom took me to hobby clubs – sports, piano lessons, … There were many kids, a big group of unknown people, and I started to feel very anxious. I was really terrified by groups of new people and new activties. I don’t know exactly why. I guess it was my extreme introversion and shyness. When I was outside with unknown people, I felt comfortable because I could leave when I needed… I guess… but in this formal environment I couldn’t just leave because when I did, I got scolded by adults. I lost my “independence” and “control” over the situation.

    It was also the first time when I was physically attacked by others in these hobby groups. Being very introverted, I wasn’t able to make friends (I always prefered to watch and listen to others… and I still do) and I didn’t fit in. And you know how it goes in groups of kids… I was considered as the weakest and thus the easiest target. And I never knew how to protect myself (and I still don’t know how…) and I was always told that I had to stay there without understanding or explanation. I found myself in a very conflicting situation – I was trapped in a place where I wasn’t welcomed and regularly attacked by bullies and I wasn’t allowed to leave… actually I was literally ordered to stay without discussion. And I didn’t understand why.

    I suddenly found myself in a very cold, hostile environment, from which I couldn’t run away, and my sensitive nature couldn’t resist it. And it got even worse at elementary school. The school system in 90s and early 2000s in the Czech Republic was still very communist-like: memorizing, repetition, absolutely no space for creativity or play, mistakes or even little misbehavior were punished but never explained. I was exposed to many unpleasant situations. For example, I was forced to stand in front of others, which by itself was a horror for me, and sing (which I couldn’t do well) or recite long poems (which my little head couldn’t remember) or answer test questions and then I was repeatedly ridiculed by the teacher and consequently bullied by my classmates… You can probably imagine how my self-confidence was getting worse and worse.

    And so… that happy, curious and very thoughful girl turned into a frightened, anxious little thing full of doubts. I was very confused. I was a good child, I wanted to know the world, to learn, I was just (and still am) very introverted and I needed more freedom to grow. But people at school attacked me… mentally and physically. I got a very bad perception of myself… I was tender and calm and it was bad… I didn’t understand why.

    I developed a very strong social phobia. I remember feeling very sick when I got up in the morning and I had to go to school. I was shaking in the class and when I had to be tested in front of the classmates, I just couldn’t speak. Things got worse and worse, as nobody – teachers, parents, let alone pupils – were educated enough to understand my problems and I was looked at as the “strange” and “sick” one. And my little head had no other solution for this than to skip school… So, I wasn’t just the “weird” one but also problematic… and my social phobia took over me and the alienation grew and grew…

    I was sent to a psychologist. I was 12 or 13. And although the child psychologist couldn’t help me because he was very inexperienced (it was quite a new thing that time), I got very important insights there. Firstly, I realized that I wasn’t the only one who had problems and that I didn’t have to feel as a “freak” because of my social phobia. And secondly, I had a chance to understand the other side. I was in a group of boys, many of whom had troubles with aggression. I had an opportunity to speak to them during breaks and I realized that they were “victims” of that cold atmosphere of that time, as well… no communication, no feelings, no understanding, just orders, criticism and rebukes… I could see and hear that they were actually very sensitive beings, lost like me…And while I became more and more distant from people and at worst ran away, they built a wall around themselves and at worst dealt blows to others. I realized that not all the beating was because of hatred for me, but that it was a result of some frustration of not being listened to or understood… which I felt, too… I was just an easy target.

    I hope that all the boys were able to find peace and a way out of their problems and are happy today. I’ve never met them again since then. I also would like to write that I don’t blame anyone… I don’t blame the kids, the teachers, my parents or myself. I know that we all were at some stage of life and many of us would have done many things differently… I know it very well because when I was in my late twenties my mom was very unhappy that she couldn’t help me when I was little and she really needed reassurance from me that I could forgive her… which, of course, I could. I never blamed her and by that time I had already overcome my social phobia and saw things with more mature eyes.

    So, yes – I did overcome my socia phobia. 🙂 When I turned 20 and started living on my own, I realized that I had to do something about my phobia, otherwise I wouldn’t be able to integrate into society. Around the time of my graduation, my problems were getting worse again and I had panic attacks (the uncontrolable shaking) even during routine activities like grocery shopping. And unfortunately as a student of hotel management high school, I found my “medicine” – alcohol. I had access to it everywhere (practice at bars, restaurants, hotels, banguets, …) and I found out that it helped me a lot in critical situations… I’m not proud of it, but as a teenager I drank a lot… I knew that it was just a way to hell for me… (today I don’t drink alcohol at all)

    I contacted a man in Prague who taught meditation and EFT… And I haven’t suffered from social phobia for about 10 years. 🙂 And after university I found myself again in front of students in the class – but this time as a teacher – and I didn’t shake, I could speak fluently and I can say that I even felt quite confident. It was a miracle for me… When I was a child, I never believed I could overcome my social phobia. (I never entered Czech education system, I work as a private teacher)

    But even though I have overcome my worst nightmare and I am very happy – I have a loving man and we live near the forest where I can be with the animals and roam the woods, meadows and fields like before, I still have a feeling that I haven’t found a peace when it comes to people and society.

    I wrote that as a child I was very introverted and shy… and I am still very introverted, I am a lone wolf… I am also very calm, I don’t speak much… and as I also mentioned before, I prefer listening and watching others. I am actually still the same girl just older and maybe wiser. But I am not shy anymore… but I still feel a little fear, a little rejection from society… for who I am. I think I am not healed completely or I need to understand why I am so bad for some people.

    I’ve had quite a challenging year in terms of human relationships. I was confronted for who I am (by people who do not belong to my family). And I found out that even now in my adulthood, my reserved and calm nature is a trigger for some people. The difference is that now they cannot beat me… so they at least shout at me or blame me for being too pasive, unsociable, …

    And those confusing thoughts came back to me again… is it really that bad to be good and calm? I think that people still take out their suffering on me… as I am probably still an easy target… What should I do when I am confronted by people? Can I help them relieve the suffering without picking on me? Do you also find introverts and tender people as a target? Do you know why?

    Now I’m a bit stuck in my thoughts and I can’t finish my story properly. 🙂 I think I should finish now and maybe later when I get some answers and thoughts from you, I will be able to elaborate more on my thoughts.

    I would like to thank you very much for reading this far and I look forward to the discussion and getting to know you better! 

    Have a nice evening! (It is after 4PM here) 🙂

    ☀️ 🪷

    #439198
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Jana: I will read and reply in about 12 hours from now.

    anita

    #439199
    Jana 🪷
    Participant

    Thank you, Anita. And I wish you a nice and calm Friday. 🙂

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    #439203
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Jana

    I hope that you don’t mind me saying that you are a beautiful soul! ❤️

    Congratulations for working hard to overcome your social phobia. 😊

    It sounds like it was hard growing up being bullied by other kids and adults. They shouldn’t have bullied you, but people make mistakes.

    I think that they were wrong for telling you to stand there and accept it. As an adult you are not expected to stand there and accept it in my country. You are expected to remove yourself from the situation. I think that you had good instincts.

    I think that you have good instincts that some of it is cultural. It sounds like you didn’t have much contact with other children before the age of 6?

    In my country, children spend time with other children from birth through baby classes if they don’t have relatives that are children. Community groups such as church help introduce kids to others too. Other kids with relatives who are also children or siblings would have had an advantage over you socially. It was never your fault.

    Personally, I think that all different kinds of people are beautiful in their own way. Just because you aren’t someone’s cup of tea doesn’t mean that there is anything wrong with you or that you should try to make peace with them. You can try, but if they are not receptive there is nothing that you can do.

    If you think about it this way, not everyone likes peaches. Some people do, others don’t. There is nothing wrong with peaches they are just peaches.

    People are also tribal. They like what they can understand and relate to and fear what they don’t understand. It’s not your fault if someone doesn’t understand you. I can tell that I like you from one message and that you are a special person because you never blamed anyone for your difficulties. 😊

    I grew up with animals in the countryside too. It is a lovely way to grow up.

    My thoughts on people are that there are some bad people, some average people and some good people. The trick is being able to tell the difference. Trusting everyone blindly is not the way for me because I have been hurt by some people.

    Some people don’t understand me either. My husband’s family are from a different culture and they think I’m inauthentic by trying when things are hard, by forgiving people and being kind to them. I believe that people still deserve to be treat with respect even when they make mistakes. I have come to learn that it is wasted effort trying when others are unwilling to try too.

    I think it’s perfectly okay to find your people.

    It was nice to read your message. I hope that you have a lovely evening! 🌜

    Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏

    #439204
    Jana 🪷
    Participant

    Hello,

    thank you a lot for your kind words. Your message made me smile. 🙂

    Can I ask what country/cultural background you are from?

    You might be right that the problem could be that I hadn’t had enough contact with children of my age before I had to go to the “children clubs” and school. When I was outside, I usually spent time alone or with kids who were older… and maybe because of that I wasn’t able to join a group of kids or find kids who were similar to me.

    Your note about the church is also interesting. Maybe you remember I mentioned that I am from the Czech Republic. The Czechs are confirmed atheists. Actually, I don’t even mention in front of my family that I feel spiritual connection to Buddhism because I would face a lot of criticism, rolling eyes and sceptical remarks. (Only my boyfriend is more open-minded and he likes Buddhism, too.) So, parents didn’t have and still don’t have a chance to let their children spend time with other children in the church if the kindergardens are full.

    And it brings me to another point. I couldn’t discuss my awareness of some spirituality in me as a child… there was no one who could talk about it with me. My mom usually chased away my spiritual imagination by saying that it was non sense.

    And I really like your words “…not everyone likes peaches. Some people do, others don’t. There is nothing wrong with peaches they are just peaches…” I guess I just need to remind myself of this fact more often. 🙂

    Maybe I am thinking about it too much. Maybe it just still hurts me somewhere inside when somebody blames me for being myself. And it is true that it is very hard to be an introverted person in this very extroverted world and to be emotional and spiritual in a society which is very sceptical, pragmatic and materialistic.

    Thank you, Helcat! 🙂

    ☀️ 🪷

    #439219
    Roberta
    Participant

    Dear Jana

    What a lovely & inspiring thread.  So many people are deeply damaged by their childhood and go down an unhelpful path like alcohol for many years just adding more harm on top of the initial circumstances. Congratulations on all that you have achieved so far. I came across Buddhism in my forties and it has helped me grow and nourish the gentleness inside me everyday since.

    I see  from the net that there are about 7,000 Buddhists in your home country and that there are a couple of dharma centres in Prague.  Is it possible for you to check them out in person where you would meet people who are on your wavelength & allow your inner life flourish. As I am unable to get to teachings in person, I enjoy watching offerings from the sangha at Sravasti Abbey in USA and I also did their on line study course which was very enjoyable.

    You are gentle being who wishes to be in step with nature and the natural rhythms of life and have few fellow spiritual companions.  The hectic hedonistic Western  lifestyle  is not really conducive to long term happiness, health & well-being, so don’t beat yourself up for not wanting to conform to a shallow life.

    best wishes

    Roberta

     

     

     

    #439221
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Jana:

    I was considered as the weakest and thus the easiest target… regularly attacked by bullies and I wasn’t allowed to leave… I suddenly found myself in a very cold, hostile environment… The school system in 90s and early 2000s in the Czech Republic was still very communist-like:… mistakes or even little misbehavior were punished but never explained.. And so.. that happy, curious and very thoughtful girl turned into a frightened, anxious little thing full of doubts…I was looked at as the ‘strange’ and ‘sick’ one… and the alienation grew and grew“-

    – As I understand it, growing up, you experienced the societal survival of the fittest/ dog eat dog mentality and behavior that is often associated with harsh, competitive environments, such as former communist societies, where competition over limited resources was intense and individuals turned to aggression so to establish dominance, hierarchy, so to successfully compete.

    It is a common behavior in animals who live in social groups: it is the aggressors that win over limited resources such as food, shelter and mates.

    I was in a group of boys, many of whom had troubles with aggression. I had an opportunity to speak to them during breaks and I realized that they were ‘victims’ of that cold atmosphere of that time, as well.. no communication, no feelings, no understanding, just orders, criticism and rebukes“- from online: in former communist societies, the environment was often characterized by a lack of open communication, emotional expression, and mutual understanding. Instead, interactions were dominated by orders, criticism, and rebukes.

    The state exerted strict control over all aspects of life, including the economy, education, and personal behavior. This often led to a top-down approach where orders were given without room for feedback or discussion. Any form of dissent or criticism of the state was harshly repressed. This created an atmosphere of fear and self-censorship, where people were afraid to express their true thoughts and feelings.

    Public criticism and rebukes were common tools used to enforce conformity and discipline. Individuals who did not adhere to the state’s ideology or directives were often publicly shamed or punished. Emotional expression was often suppressed in favor of maintaining a stoic and disciplined demeanor. This led to a culture where feelings were not openly discussed or valued. Decisions were made by a centralized authority, and individuals had little say in the matters that affected their lives. This created a sense of powerlessness and frustration among the populace. This environment could lead to a sense of alienation and disconnection among people.

    Back to your share: “So, yes – I did overcome my social phobia… I haven’t suffered from social phobia for about 10 years“- C o N g R a T u L a T i O N s !!!

    But even though I have overcome my worst nightmare and I am very happy – I have a loving man and we live near the forest where I can be with the animals and roam the woods, meadows and fields like before, I still have a feeling that I haven’t found a peace when it comes to people and society… I am not shy anymore.. but I still feel a little fear, a little rejection from society.. for who I am. I think I am not healed completely“- congratulations for all your accomplishments and progress. And, I believe, when we encounter repeated aggression as children and without correction/ support throughout many years, we don’t heal completely. Part of the damage done cannot be undone, but any and every healing that is possible makes life so much better.

    I found out that even now in my adulthood, my reserved and calm nature is a trigger for some people. The difference is that now they cannot beat me.. so they at least shout at me or blame me for being too passive, unsociable… is it really that bad to be good and calm? I think that people still take out their suffering on me.. as I am probably still an easy target“- I am trying to understand this part. Can you give me a few examples of incidents where recently, people have shouted at you, and/ or blamed you being too passive and unsociable: who blamed you, in what contexts, what do they actually say to you, and when did they raise their voices? How did you react?

    anita

    #439222
    anita
    Participant

    One more thing, Jana: thank you for the note addressed to me, and welcome to the forums!

    anita

    #439228
    Chris Tao
    Participant

    Hi Jana,

    Thank you for sharing such an honest and personal story.

    You sound like a beautiful person!

    I’d like to try and answer your questions but also offer some advice if you don’t mind which I just hope may help you.

    To answer your questions first this is does provide an answer but I think you can go beyond this which I’ll say after. As I think I saw above, firstly,  people with insecurities (most people) will not only see your apparent weakness as an opportunity to dominate someone and feel powerful (which their ego craves), but also your calmness may anger them if they see that as a weakness in themselves. This is all subconscious. So they have 2 reasons for attack. It’s built into their brain patterns to behave this way. It doesn’t make it right, but hopefully you see you are definitely not deserving of any attack and it is not a thought out reaction but unfortunately how we evolved as a species.

    How you handle the situations is has 2 veey different approaches. To learn how to stick up for yourself and end an attack would normally have required help and encouragement from others (and it doesn’t sound like you’ve had that) and been developed over time. Hopefully you have some support now from your partner and any community you’re in, even this one. There’s a few stages to this. First of all you have to understand that you should not be being attacked, you don’t deserve it, you deserve only love. This is love for your self. You then have to decide on what course of action to take which depends entirely on the circumstances.  At work, bullying can be reported, but elsewhere it can’t unless violent. In both cases, it’s better you start to learn how to deter attacks and this is by loving yourself enough to want to defend yourself. Simply speak your mind and never stop. If someone says a nasty comment towards you keep your calmness, which is your greatest strength in these situations,  and ask for an apology or state that you didn’t like what they said. If you keep a clear head, stay honest, and just simply challenge comments in this way, you will appear strong not someone to be bullied.

    You may find confidence to do this difficult to find at first but it’s simply retraining your brain to act like this. Martial arts, especially boxing, can help with confrontation confidence in a safe environment and is good for mind and body. Not required as it doesn’t sound like you would normally like this sort of thing but you may be surprised!!

     

    Alternatively to the above, my more spiritual advice, is that your obvious sensitivity, kindness, softness, calmness is a gift you where born with. We’ve all got egos programmed through genetics and environment. They are all unique and this happens to be you at the moment. There is no need to want to change, no need to change, no need to feel hurt by others commenting, no need to compare yourself to others. To feel hurt by other comments is to allow them to control you. Only you should have control of your emotions. The hurt is in your own interpretation of their attacks. If you observe how they’re just programmed to behave this way and watch them play it out, instead of feeling hurt or attacked,  you may just feel sympathy for them having such little awareness of themselves. Personally,  I am like this. I’m very rarely attacked as I’m a very masculine tough looking guy but if it happens I am always calm and actually,  although this may sound crazy, I love anyone attacking me, verbally or physically (within reason!) as its an opportunity for a different experience that I find joy in. I may laugh or make a joke at someone if they are angry, I may apologise if I am in the wrong and actually agree with them, or I may simply tell them they are wrong. Whatever happens  I do not let it control me as I have learnt over many years, outside influences do not control my mind. If your joy is controlled by things that happen in your life, life is difficult.

    Accept who you, accept where you are and accept what you do each day. You are perfect right now and do not need to change anything. You can of course change, but this is just choices changing your story of your life. Just a bit of fun.

     

    Find joy in everything you do. Not happiness. Joy is that deep contentment you find when you are alone in the woods with animals. It’s always there with you. Search for it at more difficult times. This is when you can start to distance yourself from your reactive brain, the ego.  The more you do this, the greater the distance you feel from it and subsequently,  the less any thoughts effect your emotions. When this is working well, you will see you can no longer be attacked as you watch people fire at your ego. You can then just look at your ego from this distance and assess what was said, almost like it was not directed straight at YOU and act accordingly without feeling any change in emotion. Just some background of my experience, I have been bankrupt while responsible for a family, had medical emergencies with family, and recently had my wife want a separation while we still have 3 kids at home. I’ve never felt depressed, sad yes, but even at the worst times, I’ve been aware of the joy of life changing, giving us all a chance to adapt and experience new things. My wife and I have never had an argument or even shouted and we’ve separated with kids seemingly very happy with the changes.  People ask me if I’m OK often and I’m never aware of the emotions they mean. I just feel joy all the time.

    So you can either learn to protect yourself, or use all these experiences to deepen your feeling of joy in this world and just enjoy being you.

     

    #439231
    Jana 🪷
    Participant

    Hello Roberta,

    thank you for your answer and kind words. Yes, you are right that there are a few Buddhist places in Czechia. However, I haven’t considered attending their meetings yet because they do not provide individual sessions or counseling. Also, they belong to so called “Diamond’s Path” and I don’t know this branch of Buddhism. Do you?

    But I do study by myself – I’ve read Dhamapadda, some lectures by Dalai Lama and I follow “Buddhism in English” and “Plum Village” on youtube. I am looking forward to reading Thic Hahn’s The Heart of Buddha’s teaching during Christmas. 🙂

    Thank you and enjoy the weekend! 🙂

    ☀️ 🪷

    #439232
    Jana 🪷
    Participant
    Hello Anita,
    thank you for your answer and online “research”. It’s really true… I think people were really very negatively influenced by the previous regime. And their children born in the 90s became victims of this regime too, even though it no longer existed at the time, because their parents still carried the pain with them…

    Could you elaborate more on the point you made in your post here: “when we encounter repeated aggression as children and without correction/ support throughout many years, we don’t heal completely. Part of the damage done cannot be undone…” ? Do you mean it is unlikely to heal completely?

     
    And of course, I can give you examples:
    We moved to a small village in the countryside 5 years ago. And there is a landfill nearby. One neighbour, a very ambitious and confident lady, has fought against the company which owns the landfill site for years. And she tried to persuade me to fight against them, too. I didn’t agree because her style of “negotiation” was not sensible for me. We knew very well that it was impossible to stop the landfill and we wanted to make arrangements with the company so that they would always inform us in case of any problems in the landfill site. She told me very offended that I was too lenient and weak and that it was basically my fault that this company could continue to run the landfill site here, because if I had been stronger and more assertive, it wouldn’t have happened.
    Another example was with another neighbour. She is an elderly lady (70) who lives here alone and she always seemed very sad and lonely to me. She is divorced and her boyfriend left her here. Her son doesn’t like to visit her either. I thought I could help her to become more positive by visiting her, taking care and trying to cheer her up when she fell into her negative mood… However, I found out that she is a very negative, almost toxic, person. One day she started swearing at my boyfriend and I had to leave. It was a bit too much for me and in that moment I just had to go away… I told her later that I would always be there for her if she would need any help in the garden or with cooking etc., but I wouldn’t visit her again as a friend… I just needed to set my boundaries because the negativity was kind of taking over me… And she turned everything against me. It happened in April. She refuses to say hello when she meets me even today.

    I also lost two of my students because they both told me that I am too kind and that it was not motivating for them.
    So, these are the examples.
    Thank you for reading! 🙂 And I hope you have a nice Saturday!

    ☀️ 🪷

    #439233
    Jana 🪷
    Participant

    Hello Chris,

    I would like to thank you for your answer and kind words, too. I must say that you seem to be a very wise soul… almost enlightened, I would say. 🙂

    “Only you should have control of your emotions. The hurt is in your own interpretation of their attacks. If you observe how they’re just programmed to behave this way and watch them play it out, instead of feeling hurt or attacked, you may just feel sympathy for them having such little awareness of themselves.”

    – I think I understand your words very well here. It is a bit harder to put these wise thoughts into practical life, but I am working on it. The fact is that if I find myself in a situation when I have to defend myself, I feel a bit guilty when I do so… a bad program in my head, bad ego… but I don’t want to change, I mean, I like thsi sensitive part of my personality… I am able to feel the joy in daily activities, in life… and I think it is because of my sensitive, spiritual part… I don’t want to kill it in me… but I guess I still don’t have control over some of my emotions.

    ☀️ 🪷

    #439234
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Jana

    I’m happy to have made you smile. 😊

    I’m from Britain which is mostly half atheist and half Christian with fewer people practicing other religions. A lot of the older generations are Christian, but the younger generations tend to be atheist. Our culture is passive, polite and emotionally repressed. 😂

    I’m sorry to hear that your country isn’t open to spirituality. It is a shame that you have had to hide that part of you. I’m glad to hear that your boyfriend is very accepting and likes Buddhism too. It is nice to have someone that you can share even the hidden parts of yourself with without judgement.

    My husband is Buddhist and whilst I’m not a Buddhist, he says that I act like one. 😂 I hear that Buddhism is also compatible with Athiesm. For some people, it is more of a philosophy as opposed to a religion.

    Have you ever tried a loving kindness meditation? I found it really helpful.

    I think that you have a good level of self awareness and it sounds correct that it hurts you inside when these difficulties happen.

    With the situation of that older lady, you have a kind heart. You did everything that you could have and I think that you handled the situation well.

    For the students you lost. As an ex-teacher, losing students is a part of teaching sometimes. It isn’t your job to motivate your students, it is their responsibility to motivate themselves because they should care about their studies. You cannot make someone who doesn’t care, care. It is your job to teach. If students are not motivated to learn it is not your fault.

    Thank you for sharing your story. I do think that it is very inspirational! ☀️

    Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏

    #439235
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Jana:

    You are welcome!

    “Could you elaborate more on the point you made in your post here: ‘when we encounter repeated aggression as children and without correction/ support throughout many years, we don’t heal completely. Part of the damage done cannot be undone…’ ? Do you mean it is unlikely to heal completely?“- the Emotional Flooding and Toxic Stress that is involved when a child is being repeatedly exposed to aggression in the home, when the aggressor is a parent and there’s no one to protect the child, interrupt normal brain development. In my case, as a result of my experience with my mother, I developed a tic disorder (Tourette Syndrome), Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) and learning disabilities, all within my first 5- 7 years of life.

    My first quality psychotherapy took place in 2011-13 and I have used these forums since May 2015 as a place of healing. There’s  healing that took place for me, and still takes place. Unfortunately, I cannot undo the Tourette Syndrome, nor the ADD, nor the learning disabilities. 

    As far as your examples, the two neighbors you shared about seem unreasonable, and the 2nd seems disturbed and unpredictable, someone to stay away from.

    I also lost two of my students because they both told me that I am too kind and that it was not motivating for them“- this reads strange to me: kindness would have motivated me. Maybe they meant that they need rules, structure, strictness and authority in the learning context, and your style is lenient.

    anita

     

    #439238
    Roberta
    Participant

    Dear Jana

    Ideally we all would be able to lhelp everyone with thier lives. You set good boundaries with the older lady, some seeds of kindness take longer to germinate than others (it can even take lifetimes) There are teachings about gift giving,  you gave her the gift of your companionship, what she chooses to do with it is up to her. When we give any gift we relinquish ownership of it otherwise it is not truly a gift. Likewise when some one is angry with us, we have the choice whether to accept their  unpleasant gift.

    You certainly cant go wrong with any of Thich Nat Hans teachings. He was a deeply wise & compassionate person.

    As for the Diamond Way as I understand it when the 16th Karmarpa passed 2 people were “found”  as the 17th Karmarpa this led to a spilt in the lineage. Though both were ordained one has since disrobed and married. My friend follows one and I follow the other, the way we choose to see it in our limited simple way that keeps the harmony between us is like the 16th Karmapa is our grandfather and he had twin sons our fathers. Also truth like gravity does not belong to anyone, but to all.

    Keep on with the intention to heal & grow. Think how extraordinary Helen Keller was. It took just one person to see possibilities for her and act upon them, the rest is history.

    Best wishes

    Roberta

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