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December 2, 2025 at 5:50 pm #452483
Thomas168ParticipantNotes: The yes but mind is one that is filled with information and everything is limited by what is already known. The don’t know mind is one that is open to all since there is no preconceived ideas.
December 5, 2025 at 11:00 am #452623
James123ParticipantDear Thomas,
Any knowledge and experience arises and falls within. İncluding knower mind or dont know mind. Because, when you say ” don’t knower mind”, it is already knowing that there is a “don’t knower mind”.
You are none and untouched.
Peace.
December 5, 2025 at 11:35 am #452624Thomas168ParticipantJames said, “Any knowledge and experience arises and falls within?”
Within what? What are you trying to say? Or are you just trying to sound mystical?
Seriously, I am trying to take your advice and forget you and what you do.
Please if you have nothing to say that makes sense then please refrain from commenting.James said, “You are none and untouched.”
You are something and I think a bit touched. But that is only my opinion.
James said, “Peace”
Yes, that is what I wish for. Peace.
For that, I will stay out of your threads.December 5, 2025 at 11:48 am #452625James123ParticipantDear Thomas,
All i am saying that step back,
Then it will be cristal clear that mind makes all this attachment speaking as knower mind or not knower mind.
Talk but do not attached (don’t turn into a belief)
Peace.
December 5, 2025 at 11:55 am #452626Thomas168ParticipantThere is no enlightenment, only enlightened actions.
Mine will be to refrain from commenting where it is not needed.
Emptiness and stillness of mind.
Maybe one day I will see that?December 5, 2025 at 12:00 pm #452627James123ParticipantDear Thomas,
Enlightenment is simply being where You already are.
Mind job is talking, try to suppress it creates mora chaos and gives more power to mind.
Simply watching and not involving is the key not empty or still the mind, but recognition of our True nature is stillness itself.
Then even if mind talks doesn’t affect us, therefore mind inevitably becomes quite. Only, works with the body to take necessary actions when it is necessary.
December 5, 2025 at 12:20 pm #452628Thomas168ParticipantSo, I never claim to be awakened. I don’t preach. I don’t tell people “Enlightenment is simply being where You already are.” While “recognition of our True nature is stillness itself.” may be true, it still misses the mark.
Seekers come in all different flavors. Some are confused. And some are drowning in lost conceptual ideas about how they think it all works. Some might think it is some kind of competition, but there is only one metric – are you awakened or not. Can you see emptiness in all appearances in this moment, always. Rest assured that there is no greater suffering than lying or exaggerating your understanding.
December 5, 2025 at 12:30 pm #452629James123ParticipantDear Thomas,
Enlightenment or awakening is not something that to celebrate or share as i am enlightened. That’s ego play.
But, i can tell you this, there is not a person in body to claim something. Body and mind is it’s own.
Seeing emptiness in all appearances or claiming enlightenment belongs to the body and mind. Not me.
And if someone tells that i am enlightened or i see emptiness on everything etc… Do not trust.
December 5, 2025 at 1:32 pm #452635Thomas168ParticipantRest assured that there is no greater suffering than lying or exaggerating your understanding.
December 5, 2025 at 1:45 pm #452637Thomas168ParticipantYes, but mind. Knows all the answers. So when listens to another, it goes yes, but.
It needs to interrupt and bring its truth to the table.
The don’t know mind listens and goes I did not know and learns.
It listens and learns because it is open.When I hear you, I go yes, but.
Sorry, that is my fault.
Then I listen and I learn
My heart is open.
I can learn from any source.December 5, 2025 at 6:47 pm #452643
anitaParticipantDear Thomas and James:
I want to thank you both. I’ve been so very, very, very.. depressed today, but seeing your exchange this evening brought the first smile to my face on this tough, tough day. Thank you!!!
The two of you are forceful individuals that won’t go “belly up” for the other, like 2 boys fighting in the playground till-the-end, no one giving in to the other.
.. And sadly, I find myself enjoying this fight (sorry).. It gives me a break from my current depression.
So, what does it say about me and human nature?..
I happen to like the two of you, Thomas and James. I just wish you could get along and find.. a meeting of the minds.
Anita
December 5, 2025 at 8:42 pm #452646Thomas168ParticipantAnita,
I am sorry for your current condition of depression. Is there anything that you need? I am not fighting with James. But, I have aversions to people who profess wisdom like the way he does. Nothing he says isn’t true but it also isn’t something I have already seen before. To me there doesn’t seem to have any underlying truth coming from James. So, I push and pull. I put up a mirror to what he does. He tells me that I lie to myself or believe in lies. So, I said the same thing back to him to see his response. He goes back to his high and mighty position and keeps preaching. I do not want to continue. So,I will open my mind to learn. But, he hasn’t brought anything I haven’t encountered before. Hands in the air. I surrender. Hope that relieves any tension you have.
Thomas
December 5, 2025 at 9:07 pm #452647anitaParticipantDear Thomas:
I feel so much better just reading your message of less than 20 minutes ago. It matters to me that you care to ask if there’s anything I need..!
I understand your trouble with James,
I just hope you stay here, Thomas, in the forums. You do make a positive difference to me.. I want to read more and more from you!
Anita
December 5, 2025 at 10:27 pm #452648
AlessaParticipantHi Thomas
That is okay if you haven’t learned anything new from James yet. You’ve had some very good teachers. ❤️
I suppose despite those experiences, it doesn’t take away the human condition. We all have certain circumstances that colour our natures as well. Whether we like it or not. It just is. ❤️
It seems to me that both minds are needed in life and each serves a purpose? Just my thoughts. ❤️
December 5, 2025 at 10:43 pm #452652James123ParticipantDear Thomas,
I think you are in this forum and in this life to judge or criticize or compare with your beliefs not here to walk the path.
İf this is the case i am sorry not only me but no one can help you.
This is my last message to you till you are ready.
Best Regards,
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