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July 4, 2024 at 3:42 pm in reply to: The phenomenon of “helping someone excessively can make them turn against you” #434677anitaParticipant
Dear Arden:
MARRIED..! What a delight to read this, congratulations!!!
I will read the rest of your post and reply later, when I am more focused (likely Fri morning, it’s Thurs afternoon here), so tired now. Good to read from you, I was thinking about you, wondering how you’re doing.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Franco:
I like the direct, honest way. I am guessing there’ll be anxiety on your part whichever way you go (direct or indirect), so it’s not like the indirect way will be anxiety-free.
Plus the indirect way can bring confusion, as she may not know for sure what it is that you are looking for, and you may get confused about her replies, not knowing for sure if she is interested in you or not.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
You are welcome and thank you for the compliment!
“an old wound of not being seen or understood showed up“- these forums are not about irritating or opening an old wound. I am glad you weren’t offended, but lots of people don’t have your ability (using the title of your thread) to place a rude comment on a blank canvas before it makes an old wound bleed.
I don’t criticize other members’ replies to an OP, but took an exception here because of the unmistakenly rude nature of his reply (and his tendency to produce such replies in other threads). My replies aren’t perfect, but way better than in the past, on the empathy front. And so, I hope that he improves his replies by removing the Rude off of them.
And, Peter, in all the years of reading your posts, I don’t think that there was one incident that you were rude, not even once.
“My process of ‘sitting in a Koan’ (Paradox, dualism) with free flow of thoughts (slowed down by typing them out) actually calms the monkey as it tends to end in silence“- calm down the monkey mind, calm… down… the… monkey.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Franco:
“a friend of mine… told me to not catastrophize the event because It happens frequently when a man is interested in a woman to act a little awkward, happens to everybody“- when he said this to you, did you feel better/ calmer, as a result?
If you felt calmer, it means that hearing his words regulated your emotions of anxiety, embarrassment, etc.
What your friend did was take the same event that had upset you so much, and offered a different way of looking at it. Your way of looking at the event was something like this: I am one of the most unacceptably awkward man in the world, and that’s why I was laughed at, and now, the girl knows how unacceptable I am.
These thoughts understandably, cause and fuel painful feelings of shame, despair, etc.
Your friend introduced different thoughts, paraphrased: You are not the only man in the world that feels awkward when approaching a woman, everyone feels awkward.
Same event; different interpretations.
When you notice next time that you feel anxious about a situation, ask yourself: is there a different (and possibly true) way of looking at this situation? Look at it from a different angle, see the bigger picture. This is part o Emotion Regulation.
“sometimes talking with a friend is helpful“- talking to a helpful friend is one way to regulate your emotions.
So is journaling, listening to calming music, taking a brisk walk outdoors, drinking hot tea, following guided meditations, doing yoga, Tai-Chi, and more.
“he suggested… message her on Instagram, but I don’t know what to write to start the conversation, life is short I want to know her“- you can message her that you want to get to know her. Did your friend suggest a message?
anita
anitaParticipantedit: but you don’t delete the word.
anitaParticipant* I want to add a note about Tommy’s post:
“Oh, wow, so much.. BS. No not the right word. You seem to be extremely cerebral… There is nothing special about enlightenment… Drop this monkey mind”–
– calling Peter’s thoughts and feelings BS? Telling him there is nothing special about what he believes to be special? Telling him to drop his ideas and beliefs?
And, sneakily, you say BS is not the right word, but you don’t delete the it.
You call him extremely cerebral: Wel, you Tommy were extremely rude here. Personally, I’ll take extremely cerebral over extremely rude any time of the day or night.
anita
anitaParticipant* Thank you, Helcat!
anitaParticipantDear Franco:
Part of my recent availability is that I have Covid since yesterday and can’t go out..
I like it that you place some humor into what happened, good thing! Humor is one way to regulate emotions. There is no way to make emotions go away, but there are ways to regulate them.
“even a friend of mine told me not to think about it because it doesn’t mean that girl thinks badly of me“- looking at a situation that you interpreted a certain way, and asking yourself: is there another way to interpret this situation? is part of emotion regulation (part of CBT: Cognitive Behavioral Therapy). It’s about seeking the correct, true interpretation of events instead of making assumptions.
Like I wrote to you before, maybe she likes shy guys, maybe her focus would be on your strengths, not on your weaknesses. I don’t know, but neither do you, unless you find out. We can talk more about this tomorrow.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
As I sit in bed, 2nd day of Covid, can’t go out and about like I do every day, can’t chop wood and carry water, can’t do my usual daily walk, having moments of almost panic, claustrophobic, as in: I CAN”T GO OUT? FOR HOW LONG? HOW MANY DAYS??? AND NIGHTS???!!!
In this state of mind, I read your earlier post today and find comfort in it. It’s my temporal measuring mind that is panicking. Enlightenment would be something like this then: Before enlightenment, sick with Covid and panicking. After enlightenment, sick with Covid but calm.
As I sit here perspiring, belly uncomfortable, feeling hot, listening to the birds outside, seeing the sun through the curtains, hearing the wind now going through the leaves: I am not lost in thought; I am attending completely: this is meditation.
There is indeed something beyond words, beyond all thought.. timeless… a something not to attain, but to attend to.
“The question arises Do we dare to ‘see’ Life as it Is?“- yes, I dare to see Stillness that’s beyond Movement; Eternity beyond Time; and Acceptance and Love beyond Judgment and Hate.
Thank you, Peter!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Franco:
Understandable. Like I said, strong emotions are like internal powerful storms, that’s why it’s not possible to wish them away. Have to recover after a powerful storm. I hope you rest well, and when you are ready, maybe we can talk about Emotion Regulation: it’s about regulating/ calming strong emotions.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Franco:
I wish the colleague didn’t laugh at you. It’s not only rude but unprofessional for an employee in a business to laugh at a customer visiting the place of business.
An emotion (e-motion) is energy in-motion, and the energy of fear and shame (embarrassment) are powerful energies that we need to respect as powerful, on the personal level, no less than the energy of a lightening or a storm.
“I don’t know what to do“- can you message her online? The phone/ computer screen aren’t intimidating: she can’t see you, you can’t see her, no one there to laugh at you as you type out a message..?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Gresshoppe:
I neglected to reply to you three days ago (Sun), but here I am.
“Normally, I would just say it, but he makes me nervous“- because he has anger issues (you shared that in the first page of your thread). It’s difficult to break up or.. slow down with someone who is angry and pushy.
Did you already have the talk with him?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Franco:
You got anxious. Our thinking is not at its best when we’re anxious: maybe her colleague at the shop was laughing, but not at you...?
You didn’t get to talk to her?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Carol:
You are welcome! “if she takes days to reply, I guess I will have my answer… In both cases, I will give up on the friendship“- so, you are prepared for 3 out of 4 of the possibilities and give up the friendship as a result.
In regard to the 2nd possibility out of the four: “It would seem quite sudden, especially as we haven’t really been emotionally close in a long time. I think I would need some time one on one to rebuilt the friendship. Does that make sense?“- yes, it makes sense that you’ll need 1-on-1 time with her before meeting her boyfriend and his friends.
“Sometimes, I think the last one is the most likely to happen“- it will be interesting how she will respond, if it’d be one of the possibilities I mentioned or something that didn’t occur to me (or to you?)
“But I will find some peace in the fact that I have tried the best I could to salvage our friendship.“- peace of mind is so very important. More important than any friendship.
anita
anitaParticipantDear debs123:
How are you feeing today?
“I don’t believe he had a guilty conscience about anything he did“- that says a lot, I mean, no guilty conscience about anything at all?
“Looking back, he was manipulative and controlling. It was all so subtle, slow-like…. when he dumped me 2 years ago, the last thing I said to him was, you are an evil human.“- evil in a subtle, slow-like way, yet in a way that has hurt you significantly. Can you block him, so that he can’t reach you?
anita
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