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Brav3Participant
Hey Sandstorm,
Please read Anita’s last post. She is absolutely right on this.
Reading from your post, it appears to me ‘you actually are going for it’ instead of thinking whether to go for it or not. Considering your previous emotional toll and mental resilience, Bro, its a bad idea. Stop yourself. Slow down and analyse it. I know the pain and I don’t want anyone to go through with it.
Brav3
Brav3ParticipantHi Sandstorm,
After reading to your post, I can see you as very similar to me, in terms of personality. I had pretty traumatic breakup as well and I still have some difficult days after 4 months. Here’s what I’d like to say to you.
1. Do not jump into relationship. The way you described about yourself, you clearly seems to me on a path of self discovery. You really need to learn alot about yourself first and what you seek in a partner and relationship. It requires time and alot of self reflection. If you haven’t learn, you will tend to repeat mistakes and fall for incompatible people again. So STOP yourself.
2. Get to know her first That means taking baby steps at a time. Don’t start planning out nice dinner or movies or things like that, please. Start with VERY SLOW and LIMITED interaction. This will require you to not get caught by your feelings and emotions. They will arise to sweep you away, just the same way, as when you were suffering after break up ( Rememeber that?). These emotions wants you to go as fast as you can, they will distort your thinking ( seems like already happening) and you start fantasizing about first kiss, marriage, kids, house and blah blah blah.
3. Build your life away from any romantic interest Start concentrating on things that you enjoy most like sports, arts etc. and build your life away from any potential partner. Your mind will trick you to invite that person. You have to remind yourself that your life mustn’t revolve around one person because what if things didn’t go that way, what if this person changes with time, then what? Get yourself busy pursuing you love to do and distract yourself from this wrong thinking.
4. Relationships gives you pleasure but don’t make you happy or cure your loneliness It is the biggest truth in the world and people struggle to understand it. I am still learning it. Your mind is tricking you again that if you mind a perfect lover, get marry and blah blah blah you will be happy or not lonely. Here’s the question then why there are divorces? or unhappy married people in this world. You have happiness and wholeness within you, all you have to do is find ways to discover it. Once you discover that if this or any other relationship didn’t go the way you wanted to, you won’t be unhappy because your happiness would be independent of any outcome of relationships.
5.Find love for yourself within you and enjoy being alone Again this is something you need to discover and figure it out. If you seek love from external sources and when they are gone, which will happen as everything is impermanent, you will feel unloved and unhappy. Then what will you do? Look for another one? Then another one? People get old, in their late 60’s, 70’s and they are still looking for love.
Most importantly, I am not saying that fulfilling your desires, seeking loving relationship is wrong. No, not at all. I am saying that you will be not happy if you get what you want and infact, you will be worried or anxious of losing it. Your true happiness doesn’t rely on people or things. See your emotions and thoughts trying to trick you, do not buy it. Find validation, wholeness and love within yourself. How? Well this is the journey you need to discover first.
Hope it makes sense. If not, don’t worry and good luck.
Brav3
May 29, 2016 at 6:33 pm in reply to: Almost 4 months post break up and I still struggles some days #105947Brav3ParticipantAnita,
Everytime I share my story and see your comment on it, I get to see the bigger picture.
Your example is so good. Just by reading it I feel instant relief. I will practice it to break free from delusion.
I will try to remind myself the distress she caused me with her behavior, how she was so manipulative. The bigger picture. I know this will take quite alot of practice.
Brav3
May 29, 2016 at 5:50 pm in reply to: Almost 4 months post break up and I still struggles some days #105940Brav3ParticipantAnita,
There’s more I want to tell you. The relationship that I had with her started wrong as well. I had no intention of dating her as I knew she was living with someone for 3 years. I was looking to make friends at that time. She slowly started acting more than a friend, showing alot of care for me, which I couldn’t understand at that time. But because of my loneliness I started developing attraction for her.
One night she asked me to go out and have drinks with her and her friend and I made up an excuse and declined. I was questioning myself to start having feelings for someone’s Gf. I knew it wasn’t right. So I stepped back. The next day she asked me about this and then revealed her feelings for me. She also said that her relationship with her previous Bf in rocks ( she used the same words for me as well). She told me how he was so negative and had abandonment issues.
This is where I made a mistake because I was so desperate, so sick of being alone that I BELIEVED what she said to me. She broke up with someone that she was with for 3 years and had no sadness or pain. When I asked her that if she feels sad, she said she was unhappy with him and that’s it. I assumed that guy (who’s relationship fell apart because of me) treated her badly and wasn’t loving person and that’s why she feels relieved rather than sadness. I was absolutely wrong.
I am in some way responsible for this. I followed my emotions and didn’t think that if she could walk away after 3 years of relationship, she could do the same to me. I thought if I love her honestly she would be happy and won’t leave. I blindly followed my attraction and didn’t realizing that I actually caused hurt to someone who loved her honestly as well. She left because she gets bored with her victims and look for new ones.
I am suffering because I caused pain and hurt to someone, although, I never intended to. I was so afraid of being alone, blinded by my emotions and feelings that I jumped into a relationship. I hope that person will forgive me.
May 29, 2016 at 4:19 pm in reply to: Almost 4 months post break up and I still struggles some days #105931Brav3ParticipantAnita,
Emotions are my biggest problems. My thinking gets clouded with them. I give you an example.
Last night I was doing my regularly shopping and then out of nowhere an emotional thought came to me that How she would shower me with her affection and love ( cuddling and all) in shopping centre. Then I tried saying to myself that its all gone, it wasn’t true. I returned home and thinking cycle continued, so I tried reading book which helped for a while. And then when I fall asleep, all dreams about her and the sickening feeling of she is hiding something continued. Woke up in the morning with tiredness and restlessness. Couldn’t exercise. So tried meditation where things went downhill. Grief and anger came back and so as suffering. Started my day with tears in my eyes. That’s when I saw your post.
I am so deluded. I still am not able to believe the truth. She is with someone else now and I am still holding on.
Brav3
May 29, 2016 at 3:43 pm in reply to: Almost 4 months post break up and I still struggles some days #105927Brav3ParticipantAnita,
There’s a part of me that doesn’t want to accept that she manipulated me. The same part of me doesn’t able to understand how can she changed so fast and all other related things. This is when I feel that I am not moving forward but stuck in a loop.
I did try using some of CBT as you described, but the same part of me doesn’t want to accept those words. I will try again when I am not feeling emotional pain.
Brav3
May 28, 2016 at 4:54 am in reply to: Almost 4 months post break up and I still struggles some days #105835Brav3ParticipantAnita,
Thank you for putting this all in words. You described it perfectly.
I can’t even imagine what you went through. My compassion goes to you and I hope you heal soon.
I want to forgive her and free myself from this. I want to ‘not feel’ anything when I see her. How can I be that?
I want to move on. I am tired of these emotions.
Brav3
May 28, 2016 at 4:02 am in reply to: Almost 4 months post break up and I still struggles some days #105832Brav3ParticipantHi Callmeishmal,
Thank you for your insight. I will look into NPD. For now, I am just trying to accept what is and it is difficult.
Brav3
Brav3ParticipantHi Rahul,
I am glad these words are giving you some sort of support.
Brav3
Brav3ParticipantHi Livelife364,
Thank you for writing. We often mistake pleasure as happiness. Relationship brings pleasure and pain, they are not the source of happiness. Happiness is already with us. We can only see it clearly when we drop our resistance to present, when we let go. Something easier said but very hard to do. If you practice this, you will start breaking your habitual patterns slowly and you will find your life will become easier to live, even with difficulties.
Good luck to you to.
Brav3
May 26, 2016 at 4:22 pm in reply to: Almost 4 months post break up and I still struggles some days #105724Brav3ParticipantYes, Anita. You are absolutely on spot on this.
I can recall easily so many times, where I am seeing her being sooooo fake, soo deceiving to people. These people include not only her friends and family, but my family and friends as well. It was like, she being extremely sooo nice to them. And I would think that behavior as “Oh wow, she is so kind and loving” but back of mind I had doubts, because her opinion about others doesn’t match her behavior for them.
When it comes to stranger ( male), she had this smiley, giggly face and flirty body language and fully engaging back with flirt endo to comments. It would feel soooooooo wrong to me but I still wouldn’t say, because if I did, then I was labelled as insecure and jealous Bf. I had previous relationships before her and none of my previous Gfs ever ever said that I was acting insecure and jealous. So I couldn’t understand What actually was happening? Or how did I become overly sensitive, jealous and insecure.
Yes, I think my pain is because of few reasons. First, that I was being played for honest and sincere love, one has to be seriously F##ked up in head to do things like that to someone who loved and cared for them. Second, she gets away with it and I can’t do anything because no one would believe me and it wasn’t a crime. Third, flashes of traumatic memories where she was acting wrong and I am being so pathetic and weak, not saying a word, they keep coming in. Although, they are getting less frequent.
I totally agree with your image. I will try to keep that image of puppet that you described in my mind. I tried that before but I get really angry. I know all I can do is learn from it and be free.
May 26, 2016 at 12:57 pm in reply to: Almost 4 months post break up and I still struggles some days #105712Brav3ParticipantDear Anita ,
I feel like if I go in detail again, it feels like I am dwelling on it again. Everyday ( in mornings or nights) I get memories ( images, words or scenes) along with emotions about her behavior during mid to end of relationship, where she would do something so not right ( for a person in committed relationship)
For example she would flirt with other guys, sometimes in front of me, sometimes on phone. And I would feel really awful, with my gut feelings screaming – there’s something not right. Then if I question her about this she would say by I am being insecure or relationship is about Trusting your partner and let them be free. She gas lighted/ convinced me so badly that at times when I see her doing it, I wouldn’t say anything because then I am a jealous or insecure Bf damaging my relationship by being irrational.
Sometimes flirting would be to get favors from people, like discount in stores, better deals at car hiring shops, or flirting with people in higher positions at work to get raise or better work oppertunity etc.
Sometimes she would say to that she is being friendly and that’s all.
Why I didn’t see this? Few reasons
1. I was alone with no friends.
2. Desperate to have relationship as I thought that would make me complete or happy.First she bombarded me with love and affection so strong, put me on pedestal and created a reliance/dependency where I was thinking she was my best friend/ my lover/ my everything. And then she slowly started changing her behavior little by little making me convince that I am being crazy here.
Anita, she would say things like ” you are being so sensitive”, ” you misunderstood me completely”, “you are being insecure over nothing”, ” I mentioned that to you, you forgot again”. I was feeling that I am losing my mind, that how am I forgetting things, or become so sensitive. That’s how I started doubting everything I see or my gut feelings. I started fighting with myself.
At the end of relationship, she was absolutely non empathetic towards me with no sad emotions. Like I was nothing to her.
When I put all pieces together, I clearly see that I was psychologically abused, everything that didn’t make sense at that time, started to make sense now. However, the trauma continue to exist where I get this flashes of memories where I see myself as this desperate guy who badly wants to do everything right to make his partner happy but somehow continue to does everything wrong and damage his relationship. These flashers makes me feel those lost ,confused, desperate feelings again and again, reliving that painful events. And Then the feeling of disempowered that she did this to me and get away with, I can’t expose her ( people won’t believe me) or prove anything and even if I did there’s no law against it.
In world, she is a charming caring person and she didn’t want me anymore, NOTHING wrong with that. That’s what people do they break up. There’s no abuse. What I know now, I just have to learn from it. I feel sorry for this other guy that she is seeing now. He doesn’t know what he got himself into.
May 26, 2016 at 4:19 am in reply to: Almost 4 months post break up and I still struggles some days #105662Brav3ParticipantDear Anita,
I think you missed my last post.
Why I am feeling this so much pain, even after 4 months. It was gas lighting.
Brav3
May 25, 2016 at 6:03 pm in reply to: Almost 4 months post break up and I still struggles some days #105642Brav3ParticipantSo I look inside and reflected little bit about why things are soooo painful still? Why I am still some days get stuck in raw emotions?
I’d like to write about it. Here’s what I found.
During my past relationship, there was gaslighting (manipulation) in two ways.
First, she acted soooooooooo good and right and made me believe that she was perfect for me, that she was the best fit/match for me. I do not know how much was this part intentional.
Second, she made me feel that there was something wrong with me, that I am making things up or I shouldn’t not believe what I was seeing, and causing doubts on myself and then making me feel that I was causing problems in the relationships. I know, pretty F##ked up but its true. I surely, think that there were some intentions there to hide things from me.
This both together has formed some traumatic memories ( images, words, scenes) which still continues to make me feel that I am solely responsible for the relationship to break, that I had the best match for me and I squandered it. So, whenever these traumatic memories play in my mind, I feel this immense emotional pain and it really burns inside.
Brav3ParticipantThank you Sandstorm.
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