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    He is now considering having an affair or flirting with another person just to stay alive. I cannot say anything since I have not much to offer. But I feel like, we were in this together. I was in pain with him as well. I have tried while he was trying. So this feels unfair. He wants to be by my side but he also needs stuff to try to feel alive. He is sure that he still loves me. But considers all the stuff I did with my exboyfriends (such as camping, going to different cities, smoking, drinking) as ‘living’. And he thinks that he didn’t do any of those in the past, so he feels left-alone. Although I know that’s totally an illusion, because we’ve spent our first ‘together’ week abroad, having more fun than any other ex. But then again, months after being home, I studied for masters’ exams and applied for lots of jobs and had online meetings while he was waiting for his next semester at school. So besides trying to understand my situation, since I’ve got reasons to feel stressed, he also wanted to go camping, travel, holidays etc. But I couldn’t make plans either because of the pandemic and because I wanted to find a job or draw a path to a masters or any future plans for that matter. So he got annoyed and upset about that. And now, I’m in a full-time job, therefore, I can only offer him late-night plans and my Sundays.

    When I say that knowing him seeing other people would hurt me, he doesn’t want to hurt me. Although, he doesn’t want to lie to me either. So, I don’t know what’s going to happen. I realize now that I am still really dependant. Nothing has changed.

     

    Arden
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    It all makes sense, you make excellent observations. I’m appalled. I will try to learn how I can create empathy towards myself. But I have to tell you about a recent thing we’ve experienced. You know I get scared of losing this boyfriend and he is scared as well. But the other day, he wanted to end things. He wanted that because he realized what he started to become and didn’t like it. He doesn’t like the fact that he’s harming me, himself, physical objects as well. He doesn’t want the blame that comes with those behaviors. So he wanted to make it stop. Although, he wanted to still be by my side to help me, in order not to abandon me. Then I cried a lot, I was starting to feel that we could be separate for a while and that might feel good for a change. But that hit hard. I basically felt like a little kid. Even if he says that he won’t abandon, stay as a good friend, that’s not enough for me to stay calm/okay. I was abandoned before, several times, both by parents and partners. I thought I would get used to be alone or be stronger by time. But I don’t feel like it. So, after work, he made that talk and I cried a lot. He couldn’t help himself so he was there with me. However, he changed his mind on that night. The other day, was like any other day. I’m starting to feel like he’s only changing his mind because he doesn’t want me to feel bad. He might be postponing or he could have changed his mind, really. I’ve asked that a lot by the way, I’ve told him this doubt of me. He doesn’t agree. That’s all.

    I remember a post that I shared here, saying that I don’t ever feel like doing anything if I don’t feel loved. I don’t remember focusing on school ever, during middle school. I feel like that was the reason why. I remember just one day that I felt okay to actually listen and focus on classes. Other than that, I was distracted, didn’t feel like doing anything. That was the case everytime I was abandoned again. And I don’t feel like I would be able to handle that state if that happens again. Maybe a delusion, but feels right to me. Never seen the opposite.

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 10 months ago by Arden.
    Arden
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    My thoughts: I think that you and him share #1, 3 and 5: you both fear abandonment, you both feel empty, and you both don’t have a strong sense of identity. Also, neither one of you has a history of healthy intimate relationships.

    Yes, I agree with that. I am only a bit more succesfull than him to make myself distract with work and social media, so I seem to be in a better condition than him. But you’re totally right.

    1. Regarding BPD you/ he can look up Emotional Regulation Skills– there are online resources as well as books, maybe workbooks as well. Key for a person who cannot regulate his emotions is to learn and practice these skills over a long period of time. It can be done successfully.

    I’ll read about it and I’ll try to send him notes, quotes and effect him in general. We have two different books about depression in general, but since he read too much in the past, he doesn’t believe that they would work. So he doesn’t read them. Although, I’ve started but didn’t keep going so we’re both to blame. I learned that this only gets better when one practice every day and every moment. There is going to be some relapses of course, but we have to resist them and keep practising. Your observations sound so true to me.

    Arden
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    – I didn’t understand what you meant by “cannot take it anymore” and “broke it off”. Can you explain these to me?

    So my mother got a divorce after a 15 years of marriage. I meant that divorce actually, and before they got divorced, my mom was really distant. My father is a very narcissistic person, so he was treating her in a way that would prevent her from seeing her family and after losing her dad (my mom), she got depressed for like a year. She says that, I’ve stopped being in that relationship years ago when I understood that nothing is going to change. And when she had the chance, she got divorced and lost her mother as well. I can understand her but the things I’m living are nothing to her, when compared. But then again, it’s not easy, I know. All in all, this is my kind of hard.

    One more thing, you wrote that your friend sent you a link to Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), suggesting that your boyfriend suffers from this disorder. Can you tell me about his most disturbing behaviors that fit the BPD diagnosis?

    Actually, we’ve had a conversation about this. And he mentioned ‘Borderline’, then I’ve asked if he was diagnosed or since when he was thinking about this specific personality disorder. He replied, ‘for a while.’, turns out, as I guessed, doctors didn’t mention this but he was able to read and make connections between the symptoms and all. Sorry for the recent post, it was not accepted in the first place, so I didn’t have the chance to delete all those HTML codes that makes the reading a lot harder.

    I am now going to read the last message you’ve posted carefully.

     

    Arden
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    So if you have the time, I would like to share the things look like him in the Borderline Personality Disorder.

    • You feel very worried about people abandoning you, and would do anything to stop that happening.
    • You have very intense emotions that last from a few hours to a few days and can change quickly (for example, from feeling very happy and confident to suddenly feeling low and sad).

    Even though I don’t see him going from sad to happy often, I can observe how a single word can change his mood enormously.

    • You don’t have a strong sense of who you are, and it can change significantly depending on who you’re with.

    He has complained about this in the past. He doesn’t know what he wants, then he questions that so much that he decides he just doesn’t want to be exist. I mean, I don’t know what I want as well. But dwelling on that indecisiveness can make you suffer. Maybe he is suffering because he questions that so much. I am not sure.

    • You find it very hard to make and keep stable relationships.

    This is questionable though. It is not stable at all but it is long-term. His former relationships are mostly long-term as well. 3 relationships, 2 of them lasting between 1.5-5 years.

    • You feel empty a lot of the time.
    • You act impulsively and do things that could harm you (such as binge eating, using drugs or driving dangerously).

    Very much, indeed.

    Very much, indeed.

    • You have very intense feelings of anger, which are really difficult to control.
    • When very stressed, you may also experience paranoia or dissociation.

    However, these got stronger or happened after a doctor prescribed him tranquilizers and SSRI. I feel resentment towards that doctor because she decided she cannot work with him after giving all those medications for 2-3 months. She just told them that and let him alone with those meds.

    Arden
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    I don’t know if there is any OCD diagnosis for him in the past but for now, I guess the doctors didn’t said anything about that. I don’t really question him on diagnoses or medications.  I feel like he don’t want to talk about them so much, so I just don’t ask very much. This can also be about my apathy as well. I don’t consider myself as that apathic but sometimes, I can be. I can behave like my mother. She used to/still gets away from the problems, she did that in the past. She stopped trying when she understood that somethings cannot be solved. So she ignored them to the point where she cannot take it anymore and then broke it off. Maybe I’m like that.

    He uses SSRI, Efexor, Ritalin, Ativan though. I don’t intervene his medication use, I don’t want him to feel like a person who cannot be trusted to take his meds. Although, even if I did, I wouldn’t be someone more trustworthy than him. I’m a confused person generally, I would forget. Also, a friend of ours sent me a link to Borderline Personality Disorder and suggested that it looked like him. After reading the Wikipedia page, I had to agree with him. However, I read the page secretly, and didn’t mention my boyfriend about it. He would feel very bad if I did, I’m sure if it looks like it, and if it’s something related, he knows it. So there’s that.

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 11 months ago by Arden.
    Arden
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    Merry Christmas to you as well! I hope you have a very happy new year. So I see your point and I’m no longer focused on the ego thing. About the sleep issue, because of work schedule, I had to sleep everyday. Therefore, I had to maintain a sleep schedule and it’s not bad. I sometimes have issues falling asleep but I’m trying to find my ways. I guess I need that 8 hours everyday. It seems a lot, but I have to perform my best at this trial period. So I’m willing to make that sacrifice to be able to be my best self during the work hours. And it’s almost the same with my boyfriend. He is still looking for new ways to get therapy, I’m trying to help him. But he doesn’t have me at the home during the day. I’m only there during a couple hours in the evening and then we sleep. I feel like he doesn’t like this idea but he respects my wishes and my work. He knew that I liked working and he also liked this side of me as well. So he is trying to adjust. Also, I can see clearly that I have a limited power towards him, I cannot do more. I’m trying so we’ll see. He is talking about visiting his parents maybe a month later, so that distance might make us feel better. For now, he distracts himself sometimes and gets better. But in a few days, he starts thinking about the same things, like what I have done with my exes and not with him, and this thought loops makes him angry, broken-hearted.

    in reply to: Grieving the loss of my soulmate #371614
    Arden
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    I would like to tell you about an idea that kind of worked for me. I’m sure you have some memories in your mind that creates the ‘soulmate’ effect. I always try to see those nice memories of people, whether friend or an ex-boyfriend, as my treat. The reason you see that ‘soulmate’ effect, is you actually. You were the one that was able to enjoy, mindfully observe the moment and luckily you still have those memories within you. This is never about the other person, you might still spend amazing time with someone who is not able to feel anything. People seem to mimic their feelings sometimes, even if he was not mimicking, you were the one creating that amazing effect. So maybe trying to see your effort and contribute to those memories maybe would help you getting detached from him. Those were your memories, you will have them forever and you’ll live amazing moments with yourself and others in the future as well. Good luck.

    in reply to: Can one choose to be happy? #371613
    Arden
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    I guess it is a decision but like a longer term one. Anita has explained this very well but I wanted to emphasize on the long term thing. We have to choose to be happy over and over again. In time, we’ll start to succeed little by little. I guess it takes practise. I hope and believe that we can get better at it.

    Arden
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    Now that I have a busy-like schedule, I can see how living is a hard thing. It wasn’t that clear before. I mean I spend 9 hours of my day at work, then about 2 hours to get ready and on transportation. We really need people we care about to put up with that. Any kind of struggle, in work, in school or anything at all, we need the willpower to resist it. And that power comes from our strong connections. If it wasn’t for that, it wouldn’t worth trying.

    Arden
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    I have never thought about this, this is a new perspective for me on this jealousy. I thought I should be working on my ego like everbody else, it’s a toxic thing to have much of it. But I guess, I have to accept that some has it harder in some ways, and it’s not a just world in this regard. What to do then? Do we have to distract themselves from these unjust details and focus on other  stuff? I felt like distraction is just a denial, you will always be coming to that thought later. Maybe it’s time for some quality theraphy reading, like cognitive behavioral theraphy or so on.

    Arden
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    Yes, I realized that I expressed that lack of compatibility. I’m sure that gives you a lots of information about my ego problem directed towards her. I see her less than me in most of the stuff that matter to me. And I agree with you, I see her as more succesful than me as well. I’m not sure how I can minimize this aggression towards her, I can even see her family as more and better than mine, even her relationship with her siblings. Also I realize that she lets herself be most of the time. She has a big ego herself as well, but she also lets the words out of her mouse easily, and so on and so on.

    Arden
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    Hey Anita,

    Thanks for asking. I actually started working at a Health Tourism office here, I have lots of working hours but I enjoy my time at work. So no worries, and I feel better now. This is also a challenging job, so I will be trying hard to fit in and not to be laid off, so it would really improve me. So that’s a plus. How about you? I hope you’re well.

    There is something I want to share. So I started to notice my ego these days. I love it, I like the way it feels. But it is toxic. Earlier this week, I’ve talked with a friend with whom I feel like rivals sometimes, and she talks about getting more opportunities, more easy ways to earn money and actually gain titles the easy ways. So I feel the urge to make her feel like she is ignorant and she always tries to find the easier way. This has been making me attack her, in a cute way of course. I tend to argue how that’s ignorant, or how that’s not rational, or stuff like that. I feel the need to argue with her most of the time. This is actually very toxic of me but I know, deep inside, that she is not very literate. She doesn’t read anything, she reads so rarely and it’s when something is so popular that it attracts her. She is also obsessed with titles and how we look, so she also wants to do stuff that would make people see her in a professional way. And her easy way arounds’ actually disgust me. I know that I get jealous because I don’t really have those easy way arounds. Or I simply don’t see the ways I have in front of me. I wanted to share this, because I have her in my circle and even though I try to not meet with her, we speak in a daily basis. And I feel like it’s an ego problem.

    Arden
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    Also, I feel like your reply will contain sentences to encourage me to end this relationship or separate for a while, at least in terms of where we live. I have come to a state where I cannot even hope for our relationship, I just want to save him. Yes, I would be miserable without him, I would lose my will to live for a while. But I won’t die, I won’t be suicidal. But he might be. And there’s no place for him to get away, and be better. Therefore, I cannot make any radical moves. He has his own room, his own bed as well. So maybe we can lose contact for a while and expect him to get better. I don’t know, but maybe we’ll go on like this and when I managed to go away(abroad) in a safe environment, such as a new school or a new job, then we’ll be okay, together or separately. I don’t know.

    Also, during one of his episodes, my mom was on the phone with him. He kept obsessing over my exes and mom witnessed this. So she is not really happy with this either, she likes him, she has met with him and she worries about us. She also thinks he will not change. And I’m afraid I have doubts about this as well. But it’s really hard to even think about this, it feels like I would be leaving him to be like that. I want to show him that it can always be better.

    But he is tired of hearing the same words over and over. “You’re not making enough effort, you’re not trying!” He’s exhausted as well.

    Arden
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    Although cutting contact with them seems impossible, because I would want to know that they’re safe, I can get far away from them where they cannot harm me anymore. I would visit regularly because if I can manage to move to a better country, then I would be earning enough to provide for the visits. In this country, it’s really hard to make a living and provide for other stuff like airplane tickets n so on. And I actually started to feel like I cannot help my boyfriend anymore. His psychiatrist basically told him that she wouldn’t be working with him, after giving all those meds to him and making him addicted. I’m trying to make him get therapy online from another doctor but during this process, we have gotten worse and worse. I can feel that I’m getting older day by day. It’s really hard to make somebody change and it feels like he doesn’t want to change after all. He has been like this since his childhood and I feel like I’m almost at the end of my rope. I’ve wrenched a rope from him the other day because he was preparing to commit suicide. I also got razors from him during the summer.

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