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PeterParticipantSynchronicity reading this mornings CAC meditation on ‘Torn as a Gift’ I would add a third voice
The CAC Reflection: The Thorn and the Mercy
Paul begged for his thorn to be removed.
God said no.
“My grace is sufficient for you.”
The thorn remained.
So did the mercy.
So did the love.
And Paul learned to give thanks for the thorn.Sitting in the tension of the questions I wonder…
Can we sit with discomfort long enough to see what it reveals?
Can we search in the dark even if it scares us?
Can we stop searching for perfect and start cooperating with grace?
PeterParticipantI have been exploring the Sufi way of using story to dissolve illusion with the warmth of metaphor and contrast that with Zen koan to ‘jolt’ the mind into silence.
Ways of Seeing
The Koan: The Two Mirrors (my attempt at a koan)
A student asked the master,
“Two mirrors face each other. What do they see?”
The master replied,
“When the wind moves the curtain, they forget to reflect.”
The student said,
“Then what remains?”
The master smiled,
“The dust dances, and the room breathes.”
________________________________________The Sufi Story: Nasrudin and the Lost Key
Nasrudin was on his hands and knees under a streetlamp.
A passerby asked, “What are you doing?”
“I’m looking for my key,” Nasrudin replied.
“Where did you lose it?”
“Inside the house.”
“Then why are you looking out here?”
“Because the light is better here.”
________________________________________Between paradox and parable, a space opens and illusion of separation fades.
Life not to solve, but to sit with. Not to answer, but to ask again.
Where am I looking?
What am I seeing?
And what might be waiting in the quiet between reflections?
PeterParticipantSometimes, in the midst of heartfelt exchange, we become mirrors reflecting not just each other, but our own stories, our own wounds. And when the light shifts, even slightly, we might glimpse something more: the space between us. Not empty, but alive. A place where understanding doesn’t demand agreement, and compassion doesn’t erase boundaries.
In that light I would add to my reflection on conversation.
Two mirrors hung across from one another in a quiet room.
Each reflecting a truth not fully seen, as the light in the room kept shifting.
Each mirror only saw the flicker of its own reflection in the other.One day, a breeze moved the curtain, and for a moment, the light fell just right.
The mirrors no longer saw themselves but the space between them.In that space, they saw not glass or silver backing, but the quiet breath of the room itself.
Dust motes dancing like forgotten memories, the hush of time suspended between them.
They saw the absence of themselves, and in that absence, a presence of possibility… a truth un-reflected.Tension, like the breeze, not disruption, was invitation.
It stirred the stillness, unsettled the dust, and asked the mirrors to see not just what is, but what could be.In discomfort, something shifted. Not always gracefully, not always gently, but necessarily.
For it is in the friction between reflections that clarity is born and the mirror polished.
Not the clarity of agreement, but of understanding.
Not the comfort of sameness, but the courage to witness difference without retreat.Curiosity asked them to listen not just to echoes, but to the quiet between them.
To read not just the image, but the intention behind it.
To remember that across from each mirror was not just another surface, but a presence.
Complex. Flawed. Yearning to be seen.And for that brief moment, they did not reflect.
They witnessed.
PeterParticipant“There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. “ – Edith Wharton
Two mirrors hung across from one another in a quiet room.
Each reflecting a truth not fully seen, as the light in the room kept shifting.
Each mirror only saw the flicker of its own reflection in the other.One day, a breeze moved the curtain, and for a moment, the light fell just right.
The mirrors no longer saw themselves but the space between them.In that space, they saw not glass or silver backing, but the quiet breath of the room itself.
Dust motes dancing like forgotten memories, the hush of time suspended between them.They saw the absence of themselves, and in that absence, a presence of possibility, a truth un-reflected.
In this space they did not echo, but witnessed.
PeterParticipantHi Everyone
On the question of shame, I’ve found L.B. Smedes book ‘Shame and Grace’ one of the best I read on the subject. He emphasizes that much of our shame is undeserved, arising not from true moral failings but from internalized judgments, social conditioning, and the illusion of separation.
Shame not just a product of society or human nature, but a complex interplay of both. I wonder if a path to healing might begin by dissolving the boundary. Applying the metaphor of the blank canvas, not a Chicken or the egg, but chicken and the egg, both brush strokes on the Canvas.
I’ve been reading up on Sufism and they might speak of shame as something woven into the fabric of being human. ‘The heart must be polished until it reflects only the Beloved’. But the dust on the mirror, that too is part of the path. Even Shame, deserved and undeserved and ancient, can become a polish.
In Buddhism, we are taught that suffering arises from clinging to identity, to judgment, to the illusion of separation. But when we sit with what is, without pushing it away or pulling it close, we begin to see shame is not a flaw in us, but a misunderstanding in the world.
“Let us hold our stories lightly, and each other gently. Not to erase the shame, but to see through it to the light that was never lost.”
PeterParticipantHi Everyone
Have I ever felt Eden, even as a memory? I don’t remember 🙂 I suspect the notion of Eden was too entangled in the language I inherited and have had to untangle. Yet when you brought up Eden, I felt its echo and ran with it.
I like the thought of the feeling of Eden as rhythm of presence we sometimes brush against when we’re open, quiet, and not clinging too tightly to our constructs.
I like to imagine all those now and across time who are or have followed the impulse to see though the illusion of separation, each in their own ways. The feeling of shared longing and resonance on a quiet discovery of connection.
Perhaps that is a kind of feeling of Eden. A moment of deep stillness between people, a breath that feels like it belongs to the whole world. A child’s cry turned to laughter leaving a silence that doesn’t need to be filled.
PeterParticipantRadical acceptance of who we are, a reclaiming of Eden. I wonder, is Eden a destination or rhythm of a breath brushing its edge?
This morning I feel a desire to return to Eden as escape but flaming swords block the way marking the boundary between innocence and a world of words. The cost of consciousness, the turbulence of shame and guilt deserved and undeserved. We cannot go back as we are but perhaps if transformed, purified by the swords flame.
PeterParticipantThanks Anita
There are moments when language bows and steps aside, when the most generous thing a voice can do is echo the stillness.
PeterParticipantLast night I reflected on being surprised that Camus came to mind as I tried to engage in the questions asked and that the confusion I felt was similar to what I feel when engaged in conversation with family members on the topic of God.
My family would be troubled with the association of the word ‘absurd’ and the word God. Than it occurred to me that in conversation we were using the word God differently. My family relates to a personal God while I relate to a non-personal G_d. With that in mind I would rewrite what I posted about Camus:
Albert Camus famously rejected the “leap” the turn to a personal God or transcendent meaning as a response to the absurd. For Camus, the absurd arises from the tension between our deep longing for meaning and the universe’s indifferent silence. To leap toward a personal God, one who explains, redeems, or consoles, is to escape this tension. Camus called this philosophical suicide: a refusal to face the absurd honestly.
This notion of a personal God was the one I was the taught which I internalized as God as a Father who would make everything better, all I had to do was trust, follow the rules.. and above all avoid a feeling that such a God could only be a puppet master at best, a monster at worse. In the end I was not able to hold that tension or the mental gymnastics to justify such a relationship. Here I enter my ‘dark night’ of the soul.
Rejecting the personal God as Camus suggests, I feel clears a space for a different kind of relationship. Not a being who ‘watches’ over us but Being itself. Not a voice that answers, but a presence that holds. This is the realm of the non-personal G_d, the canvas beneath the painting, the silence beneath the story, the ground of being that doesn’t resolve the absurd but embraces it.
In this light, Camus’s refusal becomes a kind of spiritual integrity. He doesn’t leap, but he also doesn’t turn away. He stays with the tension. And in doing so, he points, perhaps unknowingly, toward a sacredness that doesn’t require belief, only presence.
Here the words of a ‘we must lose God to find G_d’ come to mind.
In this non-dual space, theologies of law and language begin to fade. What rises in their place is compassion, not as a commandment, but as a natural expression of being. In that compassion, “law” is not imposed but embodied. It is not followed out of fear or duty but lived from a place of deep remembering.
The absurd remains. This kind of G_d doesn’t answer the cry for meaning with a tidy explanation. Instead, it holds the questions not as a problem to be solved, but as a mystery to be lived. The world is still what it is: beautiful, brutal, unresolved. But in refusing to escape it, we may find ourselves more deeply in it. And in that, something softens. Not because the world has changed, but because we have.
Paradoxically, the refusal to leap has helped me see that the path of the leap is also valid. What I once saw as escape, I now recognize as another form of devotion. All wisdom traditions whether they speak of a personal God, an impersonal ground, or no God at all are trying to name the unnameable, to touch the mystery, and that is so very human.
Each path, in its own way, invites us to hold the tension.
Each path, in its own way, returns to the canvas – the shore beyond.
Every path, in its own way, pathless.
Gate gate pāragate pārasaṃgate bodhi svāhā
Into the gone, into the gone, into the gone beyond, into the gone completely beyond the other shore, awaken.
Into the gone, into the gone, into the gone beyond, into the gone completely beyond the other shore, return.
PeterParticipantI think I may have confused things and given the impression that the non-dual (transcendent) experience somehow resolves things. That it fixes the messiness of life. But that’s not quite it.
For me, those moments of non-dual awareness are rare, often fleeting, sometimes just a breath. They don’t erase the complexity, the frustration, the beauty, or the pain of the world. The world, as I, remains what it is: wondrous, horrific, lonely, alive…. Nothing “changes”, and yet, something does.
In those moments, I felt a deep sense of connection, like touching the web of life itself. And their is a profound compassion that arises not just for others, but for everything, including myself. And yes, I can’t stop myself from trying to name it or hold onto it so it slips away. Still a something lingers.
What lingers isn’t a solution, but a softening. My stories become lighter. The grip of identity, judgment, and striving loosens just a little. I’m still the same world, but I’m not carrying it quite the same way.
So it’s not about escaping or resolving… but remembering. And that remembering, even if brief, changes how I move through the world.
PeterParticipantJust a note: the serenity prayer is always good advice. One can hold the tension and take that advice but the the tension remains as it was and is.
PeterParticipantHi Anita
I think I see where you’re coming from, but I meant something a little different. The reference to the Serenity Prayer “accept the things we cannot change, courage to change the things we can” frames the tension as something to either endure or overcome. I don’t feel its so much about changing or accepting, but about holding and being with the tension itself without trying to resolve it, or require a leap. Not as a problem to fix, but as a doorway to something deeper.
Camus refusing the leap, not because he’s passive, but because he’s choosing to stay with the rawness of the experience. That holding becomes a kind of clarity, even if it doesn’t offer answers. So maybe it’s less about resistance or surrender, and more about presence that allows us to soften our stories.
PeterParticipantcorrection – I might add a refusal to articulate it away, fix it with words.
PeterParticipantHi Anita
“If emotions are the brushstrokes, and the canvas is what holds it all—always there – Is the canvas like a steady, unchanging parent? A presence that doesn’t leave? A super-parent? A God?”I think the canvas can feel like a steady, unchanging parent or even like G_d but only when we’re viewing it through the lens of relationship. The temptation here might be to start thinking of the transcendent as a noun. In non-duality, though, the canvas isn’t other (or a noun). It’s not separate from the painting, or from us. It’s not watching over us; it is us, just as much as the brushstrokes are. In that sense, we are both being held and are the holder… that never leaves…
It’s hard to talk about as any attempt to describe it is already a step away from it…
Camus came to mind as the question implied that a leap to a “higher” meaning might be necessary. In The Myth of Sisyphus, Camus defines the absurd as the tension between our deep longing for meaning and the universe’s silence. His concept of “the leap” is the move toward religion or metaphysics to resolve that tension in order to escape the absurd by positing a higher order.
Camus refuses the leap. He insists on staying with the absurd, without appeal to transcendence. Yet in doing so, he’s still holding the tension, he’s not denying the longing, just refusing to resolve it or fix it. I might add a refusal to articulate it. In that way, even his refusal becomes a kind of reverence. It points beyond itself, not by escaping the absurd, escaping the tension, but by fully inhabiting it. Not a leap as we general understand the word leap yet could that be a experience of transcendence? Maybe…
PeterParticipantA comment on non-duality and its relationship to illusion.
Non-duality resists language because language itself is dualistic, built on distinctions, categories, and measurements. In the experience of non-duality, these dissolve and there is no subject and object, no observer and observed just being.
But the moment we try to describe it, we reintroduce separation. The words become a map, not the territory. And in that shift, the experience can feel like it vanishes as if it was never real, just an illusion. Not because it wasn’t true, but because truth in that state doesn’t leave residue. It doesn’t cling. It doesn’t explain itself.
So we’re left with the paradox: the impulse to speak of the non-dual ends the non-dual experience and yet, we speak anyway because something in us remembers.
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