Hi Vee

Could you clarify what you mean when you use the word Love and what  your expectations of being loved are?

I would agree with Anite.

Sometimes its difficult to know if your ‘in love’ with the idea of someone or really see and love a person as they are.  You won’t really know until you meet face to face.

I like what Clarissa Pinkola Estés has to say about being wounded. You may find her work The Theater of the Imagination, Woman who Run with Wolves helpful.

It’s an interesting thought that when a heart breaks, it breaks open. To be wounded then is to be opened and opened suggests the opportunity of being filled. It is also interesting that the words wound, and wonder are related. Though we experience the pain of being broken and  hurting we also find ourselves opened to wonder.

Hi N

I think you might find the book ‘Wild’ by Cheryl Strayed interesting.

To heal she needed to come to terms with her loss and learn a better way to nurture/mother herself.

As you mentioned in the ‘hero journey’ it is at the point when all seems loss that the moment of transformation is realized. This moment is not usually made conscious by forcing it but by a kind of calm assertiveness/intentional – doing by not doing (not attaching one sens of self as being what you do)

Cheryl Strayed needed to challenge herself physically in order ‘detach’ herself from her thoughts and experiences (she no longer labeled herself as being her thoughts and experience) and so gained a deeper perspective.  In that moment though everything was the same everything changed.

There are many methods of completing such journeys. I think the key is mindfulness, skillful detachment (you are not what you do, think or feel in the moment) and being open to possibilities.

Hi Drizzle

If you were responding to someone who had a similar experience and had treated you “childishly” what would you say to them? Would you forgive them and hope they learned from the experience and grew. Could you create space for them to do better now that they have become better or would you judge them and put them in a box?

The person we find the most difficult to forgive is ourselves.

Hi Rooo

Great questions. Love is a word we tend use without really reflecting on what we mean when we are using it. The word Love become even more complicated when we add a qualifier such as unconditional. My observations have been that many people mistake unconditional love with unconditional allowing. You can quickly see how such a expectation of unconditional love might end. Poor boundaries and a loss of sense of self.

When I asked myself how and when I experienced being loved it was at times when I was “seen” and that who I was and what I did and say mattered. Such experiences also gave me a sense of meaning and purpose. It occurred to me that meaning and purpose must be attributes of the experience of love which would mean that accountability and responsibility where also attributes of the experience of love.  If I want to experience love I am also asking that who I am and what I do matters and to matter I must be allowed to be held accountable for who I am and what I do. If I was never held accountable nothing I did would lead to a experience of meaning or purpose.

For me unconditional love involves the concepts of meaning, purpose and accountability which might sound like a paradox but it isn’t. Perhaps you have already learned that sometimes love – unconditional love – meant having to end a relationship.

The command to Love our neighbors as our self is interesting as it begs the question, how is it that we love our selves and how does that influence our ability to love others.

If were honest with ourselves we don’t always like ourselves and we can be very hard on ourselves. Is this how we love others?   Probably not. I suspect your more likely to give others the benefit of the doubt and generally want them to succeed. Such is a clue to how one loves oneself . We don’t have to always like ourselves but we love ourselves when we hold ourselves accountable while giving ourselves the benefit of the doubt creating space to do and be better when we learn better without harsh judgments or labeling ourselves as being those judgments. (you are not your experiences you have experiences)

Had the command been to Like our neighbors… that would be hard. Thank goodness Love does not require us to always have to like those we love or always having to like ourselves. Such a understanding that you can love someone even during those times when you don’t like them (the experience of the moment) frees you and others from a lot of unnecessary suffering.

We love ourselves and we love others when we witness others and ourselves as we are, the good and the bad, while creating space for doing better when learning better even as we holding ourselves and others accountable (boundaries) so that we might experience meaning, purpose and being loved.

Maybe none of that made any sense…. I recommend the book  ‘How to Be an Adult in Love – Letting love in Safely and Showing it Recklessly’ by David Richo

We were made to love and be loved. Loving ourselves and others is in our genetic code. It’s nothing other than the purpose of our lives—but knowing that doesn’t make it easy to do. We find it a challenge to love ourselves. We might have a hard time letting love in from others: recognizing it, accepting it. We’re often afraid of getting hurt. It is also sometimes scary for us to share love with those around us—and love that isn’t shared leaves us feeling flat and unfulfilled.We explore ways to love ourselves without guilt and with generosity. We learn how to love others with awareness of our boundaries. We confront our fears of love and loving. We embrace the spiritual challenge of letting our scope of love expand. Then love is a caring connection, unconditional, universal, and joyous. – David Richo

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Hi Emelie

Its very easy to settle. I had dreamed of travel yet have rooted myself even more to where I am. But I’m ok with that, its my path… and I like having the dream as a dream. Not all dreams need to be realized.

I like what Joseph Campbell has to say about “following your bliss” Even the struggle along the way is part of it, adding more depth to the experience. Everything you learned along the way will show its useful – just as the small animals and such help the hero along the way 🙂

“If the path before you is clear, you are probably on someone else’s.” Joseph Campbell

In the La Queste del Saint Graal –  All of the knights are sitting around the Round Table.  No one is allowed to “eat” until an adventure has occurred…. In those days adventures happened all the time so no one was going to get hungry and sure enough the Grail reveals itself to the Knights — not fully or clearly — but covered with a giant, radiant cloth.  Then, it withdraws — disappearing and leaving all the Knights in desperate awe.

One of the Knights rises and says, “I propose that we should all go in quest of that Grail to behold it unveiled.”

The Knights then decide something very interesting.  They vow to each other that they will not go forth in a group, that doing such would be a disgrace.  Instead, a pact is created.  From here, each Knight will venture into the forest at the point of his choosing, when it is darkest and a point where there is no Path.

According to Campbell, the lesson of the story is a way to live life, to follow one’s bliss.  “To live blissfully each of us must enter the forest at its darkest point, where there is no path.  Where there is a way or a path, it belongs to someone else, it’s theirs and not our own.” – Each of us is a unique phenomenon —

Pathways to Bliss by  Joseph Campbel (Recommend Read)

Well you’re not alone in your fear of death, they even have a term for it “thanatophobia”.

The reality of death has been a major topic of philosophy, phycology, theology…  Joseph Campbell research into the myths we live by suggested that the knowledge of our death is The concern that defines Life. Which might seem like a paradox but isn’t.

My understanding of his work is that behind the fear of death is a fear of Life. Life as it is. The knowledge that Life is motion that requires the sacrifice of Life. Life eats Life. Death and Life not opposites as if they could be separated but intimately connected. Each breath you take is a sacrifice of life for life. (death, resurrection, a reincarnation)

Life is a horrific wonder. That is Life’s wonder and it horror. Campbell argues that there are three attitudes, conscious or unconscious, that we take to that Truth. (the Solutions are my thoughts)

1. No: Life should not be, let me off the ride. Solution, detach and dissolve ego, no ego no I no suffering, no death – no life.
2. Maybe: Life is broken, but we can fix it. Solution, join the side of Good, follow the rules, fight evil, death will be overcome and life fixed.
3. Yes: Life as it is, the sacrifice of Life for Life is Love: Solution. There is no problem to solve, Engage in Life as it shows up. A yes with gratitude.

If you can get to a place where you can authentically say Yes to Life as it is the existential fear of death that you experience will fade away.

Interestingly religions are often interpreted in all three ways depending on the perspective taken. My feeling is that the deeper you go into the theology the intention of all religion is to get to Yes. Just my opinion. However that means that many of the practices of the religions can be confusing so may not help you get over your fear of death.

As your issue appears to be essential you could read up on your philosophy. I can save you time by stating all philosophy ends in the absurd and the problem of language. Meaning forget it, embrace the absurd, have a good laugh at the joke and enjoy life.

I suspect none of the above helped much. I’m not sure if your fear is a choice or not yet if your going to get over it, it will be because you choose to let it go.  Might as well save yourself from some suffering and let it go.

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