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Hi Moongal,
Material success can’t make you happy.
To understand this, you have to realize what makes you unhappy. So, what makes you suffer? It might seem like it’s your circumstances, but it’s not. You can test this by asking yourself, could somebody else be happy in the same circumstances? Am I always unhappy in these circumstances, or only some of the time? When I’m not thinking thoughts that make me unhappy, am I suffering?
Of course, through this kind of questioning you’ll come to realize yourself that the thing that creates your suffering is thinking, that is believed in the moment.
What kind of thinking? Well, judgements (about yourself and your circumstances), beliefs about how things “should be”, etc.
Now, think about it. Can a really good job with a lot of money eliminate the thoughts in your mind that make you unhappy – judgements about yourself and your circumstances, beliefs about how things should be, negative beliefs about your abilities etc?
Of course not.
The thing is, what will really, truly bring you happiness and lasting peace, is to realize that the only thing that can make you unhappy is thinking.
Just let that soak in.
You don’t have to believe me, just question it for yourself. How do you feel when you tell yourself certain thoughts? Are the thoughts true just because you feel that they’re true? (No – you can prove this in a thought experiment such as, If you believed your partner cheated on you, you would tell yourself thoughts that make you feel bad, regardless of the reality. It could be they never cheated on you, but because you tell yourself the thoughts that they did and that’s bad, you feel bad. The point here is, the reality is irrelevant – your thinking creates your unhappiness. The real circumstances don’t actually change your feelings at all! You see?)
Now, let’s have a look at some of the thoughts in your post.
“sometimes i feel so doubtful of my abilities, my smartness and everything bout me in general”
How do you feel when you tell yourself this thought?
Are these thoughts serving you or not?
Of course they’re not going to disappear overnight. But the thing is, if you make some deep philosophical shifts, the thoughts will let go of you naturally. Think about it – are you smart? Now, here’s the thing. Say you got a certain result on a test. Does that prove you’re smart? How would you know what ‘smart’ even is? How do you quantify it? Is it possible some people think you’re not smart? Is it possible some people think you are smart? Do you think you’re smart in some moments, and not in others? Where is smart? Can you show me where it is? You can show me your nose, your eyes, your arms. Where is smart?
“Smart” is just a thought. In reality you are not smart. But that doesn’t mean you’re stupid. Stupid is just a thought. In reality there is no stupid. In reality none of these judgements about yourself exist, they only exist in your mind and in the minds of other people’s. So the bad news is, you’re not cool, you’re not clever, you’re not funny, you’re not friendly, you CAN’T be any of these things objectively and scientifically and in terms of ‘reality as it is’. But guess what? Nor are you stupid. You’re not bad, you’re not worthless, you’re not a failure, you’re not dumb, you’re not any of these things either. Because those too are just judgements of reality you create in your mind. THOUGHTS. Those self-judgements are really flimsy, which is why you struggle to maintain them. That’s why you try so hard to keep up a certain self-image – because you’re aware that the judgements aren’t actually true in reality, whatever they are. Otherwise they wouldn’t require so much maintenance.
This may all seem a bit bleak, but please, it’s liberating. Because with that understanding comes the freedom of knowing that you are just as you are. In that sense, you’re perfect. In this moment, there is nothing wrong with you. You lack nothing. How could you? Those beliefs are just THOUGHTS. And thoughts aren’t the same thing as reality. “Nothing is good or bad, but thinking makes it so” – Shakespeare.
Now, in your post you’re doing the natural thing and trying to find fulfillment and happiness out there. Society tells you, get a great job and you’ll be happy. An amazing house. A great relationship…
But wait. Pause. Are all the people with those things really happy? No! Some of them are depressed. Some of them just want more.
Getting stuff doesn’t make you happy. Appreciating what you have does, because it involves acceptance of what is now.
Now I’m NOT saying, just abandon personal ambition and so on. Go out and keep striving, go for a great job. Why? Because you would prefer to have money, relationship, job, whatever. But to be happy, make those strivings something you do because you would prefer those things, NOT to seek happiness.
Happiness is here. Now. Every time you’re not depressing yourself with your thoughts, you’re happy. Now, you might tell me, but hold on. Even when I’m not thinking, I sometimes feel bad.
Wait. You feel bad? That’s a thought. Who said, for example, a fluttering in the stomach is “bad”? Who said a racing heart is “bad”? Who said a dull ache in your chest is “bad”? Thoughts say that!
In reality those sensations are just sensations. Just feel them. They are as they are. To say they’re “bad” is to label them – and THAT’S what makes you unhappy!
Now sometimes you’ll feel things you don’t regard as pleasant, but just feel them. Let them be. They’re OK. Explore the sensations physically without resorting to labelling and judging them. Notice what thoughts come up, but don’t get sucked into the thinking. Remember, the thoughts are not reality, they’re just stories your mind is telling you. And if you’re listening to the thoughts, how can you be them?
Think about it. If you are listening to the thoughts, then you’re not the thoughts. You’re the listener. The observer. You observe all of that, you aren’t “it”.
Then you’re free. Then peace, happiness, contentment.
Don’t expect this to be an overnight change. For many this is a lifetime of developmental work. But I hope I’ve helped to show you some things and to possibly give you a direction of where you might be headed.
…of course, the real fulfillment comes from knowing you don’t need to go anywhere at all.
You’re fine here, now. You are whole. You are complete.
Be here now. Have fun. Enjoy the game. Because that’s what life is. A wonderful, elaborate game.
Peace out!
Rock BananaParticipantHave you considered leaving them to whatever it is they want to believe? If they converse about beliefs you are not interested in, then you can simply state you’re not interested.
Rock BananaParticipantCheck out Noah Elkrief’s videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/NoahElkrief/videosRock BananaParticipantAh, I so get where you’re coming from here. I could’ve written that post. Well, except for the having a thing for Asians. Lol.
Check out Osho’s work “Love and Aloneness”. Listen and read about what Osho says around love. Watch Noah Elkrief and Eckhart Tolle videos around relationships.
All the wanting & yearning over these people when you’re not with them is just degrading, it feels bad and doesn’t get you any closer to where you want to be. My advice would be to take up some kind of meditation such as mindfulness meditation, and when you notice those thoughts come up, just let them be without moving deeply into the reality they present.
There’s not enough time here to get involved in specifics, but to give you some general pointers that might help, choosing to eradicate neediness, cutting out the yearning that isn’t accompanied by positive action and having an independent sense of self that isn’t contingent on what other people think of you will be the freedom here that allows you to transcend all this stuff. In my own life, I am now peaceful and happy single, but it isn’t really what kind of relationship you’re in (or not, as the case may be) but more the place you’re coming from psychologically that matters. After all, you don’t want a relationship more than you want a peaceful life, do you? At the moment I assume you think a relationship will ‘make you peaceful’ on some level, but in reality, no relationship can delete all the thoughts in your head that make you unhappy. So what do you want more, a relationship or peace? I’m going to assume you value peace more. Therefore, work on developing yourself and then relationship or not, sex or not, you’ll be happy.
To be clear here, I’m going to follow the replies you get here with interest. I like Richard’s great advice. I can offer advice and benefit from it at the same time. 🙂
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Rock BananaParticipantThat’s what I do, Charles. I revise my philosophy as deeply as I can. To be honest I have been very happy for years now, because all the underlying philosophies and perspectives have been shifted. When I do want a ‘quick fix’ I will quickly count 10 or 20 things I’m grateful for right now (when you do it, it could be anything from ‘the air I’m breathing now’ to ‘successfully completing the marathon yesterday’), I may ask myself if I really, absolutely know my beliefs in that moment are true (and dispute them in the cognitive behavioural therapy / rational emotive behavioural therapy sense) and I might also meditate and come back to what is really happening now – direct sensations such as my breath, what I can see, hear, feel etc. and come away from being lost in thought. It all depends on what I’m experiencing. Often the best thing to do is just be mindful, experience it without judging it, to let it be without labelling it.
You say “don’t make a mountain out of a molehill”, Charles, but if you change the mountain, you’ll stop seeing those molehills.
Rock BananaParticipantYou notice how when you weren’t really trying, you felt a bit better. The first thing to do is to stop trying to think positively about yourself. It’s as pointless as thinking negatively about yourself. Just come to realize that nothing you say about yourself will ever, ever be who you actually are. When you notice thinking about yourself (positive or negative), just let it be, and know it isn’t you.
June 22, 2015 at 12:41 pm in reply to: Today, I lost my only close friend and my world feels destroyed #78662Rock BananaParticipantRead “Love and Aloneness” by Osho. Check out Osho’s stuff. One of his quotes:
“If you love a flower, don’t pick it up.
Because if you pick it up it dies and it ceases to be what you love.
So if you love a flower, let it be.
Love is not about possession.
Love is about appreciation.”Neediness and an intense desire to be loved by somebody is not the same thing as love. I can talk from experience there. What I will tell you is that this will all subside if you just let it be, notice the thoughts and feelings and see them for what they are. Reading and experiencing psychological perspectives such as Osho’s has helped me around this. I can tell you that I experienced what you are experiencing over somebody for 3 years. Right now, that is a distant memory and I now realize I never actually loved them. I thought it was love, but it was too needy, too desperate and too fear-imbued to actually be love. Love, that is, being free, enjoyable and generous without demanding reciprocation.
You think you need somebody to fulfill a need in your life. Until you can love yourself and love being alone, and know that somebody else’s love can’t make you happy, similar patterns are going to become a common trend for you. Bathe in philosophy and psychology that offers a more empowering perspective. Check out Osho, Eckhart Tolle, Noah Elkrief…
One last thought: All this wanting and yearning is degrading. It makes you feel like you’re small, right? You might think it’s cool, but how do you feel when you do it? Pretty bad? Becoming psychologically independent is something that can take time and energy, but the payoff is that you no longer think you need somebody else to fulfill you. Neediness is creepy, and as you’re finding out, doesn’t come with the most powerful feelings! All of this is 100% changeable and if you keep applying yourself to changing this, it will definitely happen, however long it takes.
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Rock BananaParticipantSorry for stating the obvious but look at your general health – diet, hydration, sleep, exercise, lifestyle and psychological wellbeing. If any (or all) of these things are particularly out of kilter then this will likely facilitate headaches, tension etc. Frankly I doubt there are any ‘shortcuts’ in the form of quick fixes or pills that will do you much good – sort these things out and I’m sure things will improve. If not or if the headaches etc are getting worse or more frequent, head to your doctors as there may be a medical cause. Remember – I doubt anyone here is a doctor so do seek actual medical advice when you can.
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Rock BananaParticipantNice Inky.
Here’s a good video with Alan Watts commentary I’ve just watched
Rock BananaParticipantI highly recommend Noah Elkrief – check out his YouTube videos. Maybe start with this one, “How to be happy in life & why you aren’t already happy”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AOxCzHOYso
He says, “I achieved everything I wanted, but yet I wasn’t fulfilled.” Like you, he got what he wanted in life – wealth, a good career, relationships, nice house, car, etc. Yet he wasn’t happy. And then he found happiness and is making YouTube videos about how to REALLY achieve happiness. He also offers 1-on-1 counselling: http://www.liveinthemoment.org/session/
I recommend this guy a lot, I should probably start getting money for referrals at some point. But honestly, I have no connection to him except I like his YouTube videos, and I think in your case he is seriously the guy to check out!
Please let me know, after checking it all out, if you found this helpful. I think this is probably an extremely good fit for your situation so I would love to hear if it did help. All best.
Rock BananaParticipantDream analysis can be a destructive waste of time. You know, I don’t care what I dream about because I don’t choose my dreams and it’s just the brain exercising its creativity. Although I’m sometimes a little curious, I never care about if my dreams say anything about me, because of course they don’t – they just happen. Interestingly I haven’t had a nightmare in many years, which may well be influenced by the fact I don’t take my dreams seriously.
Rock BananaParticipantI don’t believe in God. From my perspective, the reason that God isn’t doing anything because there is no god. Now I used to be a Christian too and it was a slow transformation away from Christianity, but it has been worth it as my life is just as fulfilling, if not much more so, and my psychological clarity has increased. The contradictions etc that I was holding in my head have yielded and made way for a simpler experience of life.
If you want to do some deep, heavy reading, try “What are you without God?” by Christopher Krzeminski. It’s a great book which not only debunks religious thought but goes on to deal with the emotional aspects of deconversion. However, it is long, quite heavy read so it’s not for everyone. Otherwise, just so you know, if you do lose your belief in God you may well find that you feel a bit empty at first as you have lost something that you thought to be real; you will find your own way to deal with this but it is common. I experienced it on some level too. The good news is, it’s a temporary phenomenon.
All best – have great lives you two no matter what happens.
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Rock BananaParticipantMindfulness meditation.
I think this video will help you A LOT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASFpyVIoK6I
Rock BananaParticipantConsider mindfulness meditation.
As for keeping on top of things, you will not do that by having your mind on constant overdrive and feeling stressed. You will just burn out. So factor in time to relax and look into meditation – by looking after yourself, you will have the energy and resource you need to have a clear mind and really get things done. That will give you the edge you’re looking for. Being burned out, stressed and constantly lost in thought is a recipe for exhaustion.
Rock BananaParticipantOK this is my second link to a Noah Elkrief video today but check out this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWEyWrx6p6M
My own advice would be to examine and possibly replace your beliefs around love, rejection etc. Now that’s something that takes time, and the way you do that is something to discover as you go along but if you really want to change this then I’m sure you’ll find ways of making it happen. “Love, freedom, aloneness” is a book by Osho that might be a good read for you to start off with – but it’s not just about reading, it’s also about trying on new ideas and seeing how they work as places to come from in your own mind.
As for the “think about the present” stuff, saying “think about the present” is unlikely to change anything. However, if you consider having a go at an eight week meditation course, and there’s a great book called “Mindfulness: A Practical Guide to Finding Peace in a Frantic World” by Mark Williams and Danny Penman, you could possibly learn something that will actually make a difference in the long run.
PS my own inclination would be to disregard suggestions that focus on going back into your past and analyzing problems that way; the fact is, you are NOT a victim to your past.
A quote from Dusan Djukich: “It will only delay your progress to wallow in past theories, stories, and beliefs. You want to replace all that mental spinning with pure action…Dwelling on past mistakes, injustices, or regrets is a useless indulgence. The past simply doesn’t exist. You re-create it only by choosing to think about it in the present moment with freshly chosen images and feelings. The past is only real when you think about it. Otherwise, it’s over. In a recent session, a client said, “But isn’t my past behavior the most reliable predictor of future performance?” Absolutely not! Your past behavior is nothing more than an irrelevant story that you choose to tell and re-tell. The best predictor of future performance is the position that you are coming from right now. And that is yours to freely choose.”
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