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October 30, 2022 at 7:21 am in reply to: My straight boyfriend's gay best friend- what's going on? #409338TeeParticipant
Dear Rhonda,
you’re welcome. I am sorry things are complicated with his 8-month daughter as well. What is with her mother? She isn’t fit to be a parent?
It’s not right from him or his parents to accuse you of having reservations about caring about his daughter, who has special needs:
I know I can’t do it all with a newborn, my son, and his 8 month old daughter. He makes me feel bad about that and so do his parents. I have a full time job, and on top of that his daughter is special needs.
They promise they’ll take care of her while B is working, but as you say, his mother is a traveling nurse and his father is quite mean… so they might not be able to deliver on that promise. And it’s quite a lot to take on someone else’s disabled child. It may sound cruel to say, but that’s the reality, at least in my opinion. Btw, with whom is his daughter living now?
B has changed, but I’m not sure if it’s temporary to get his daughter (because I’m a good appearance for the courts)
People don’t change so quickly. When the two of you met, which was not that long ago, I assume, he was still doing sexual favors for men. His daughter was either on the way, or she was already born when the two of you met. So becoming a father for the first time hasn’t really changed him. I am not so sure that it changed him the second time around either… He might be using you not only to get custody of his daughter, but also to have you as her primary care-taker.
The fact that he is already blaming you for having second thoughts about her care is not a good sign. He sees it as your duty, while it shouldn’t be your duty. If you marry him, this would tie you even further into the role of her daughter’s care-taker, and I am afraid this is what he is after… so be very very cautious. Don’t let yourself to be dragged into a very unfavorable arrangement, which will be very hard to move out from.
People do indeed change, but as I said, it doesn’t happen over night. And the fact that he is so protective of E and wants to keep him close although the old man is pining for him – tells me that he hasn’t really changed in any significant way. It seems to me more and more that he is trying to use you, Rhonda.
I’m just that person that believes everyone deserves a second chance and until I’ve given him a fair trial at one I can’t give up.
That’s noble of you, but I am afraid that the longer you stay with him and the more chance you give him, it might get worse. Because so far he got you pregnant rather quickly, and now he wants to marry you and have you care of his daughter… If you say yes, believing he deserves “another chance”, it might leave you in an even more difficult place, I am afraid.
October 30, 2022 at 4:38 am in reply to: My straight boyfriend's gay best friend- what's going on? #409335TeeParticipantDear Rhonda,
I am sorry that you are in a difficult situation, having lost both of your parents, your 2 grandmothers and close friends, all in the last 5 years. I understand that you want to make things work with your boyfriend, because you feel that you wouldn’t be able to take care of your newborn and your 6-yr old son without a support system. And even if you were able to make it on your own, logistically and financially, you don’t want to do it alone. And I understand that, because it’s painful to be all alone in the world.
But it’s good that you are also cautious about getting even more deeply involved (getting married) before you clarify some things with your boyfriend:
I want to figure out this thing with his friend and whether or not we need to continue trying to make this work because I won’t be constantly disrespected in my relationship and not be able to stand up for myself.
That’s a good attitude! You have the right to know the truth, and you also have the right to be in a healthy relationship, and not in this weird triangle, where the nature of the relationship between E and B is not even clear.
What is for sure is that B is very protective of E, and he might not even be interested in counseling. Because when you told him (rightfully) that he is the only one who can do anything about E’s behavior, you “got silence from him and a subject change”.
I think he also tried to minimize the problem, by saying that “he thinks everything about it is dumb and childish including the way his friend is acting.” As if he is saying that it’s not such a big problem (it’s “dumb and childish”). He also says E’s behavior is “dumb and childish” – again minimizing E’s possibly very dysfunctional behavior, where he is pining for your boyfriend and seeing him as a lover.
Your boyfriend is either not seeing the reality of the situation, or he does see it, but consciously minimizes it and denies it, so you wouldn’t make a problem of it. He even wants to marry you, while keeping the status quo with E – which might mean he wants to marry for your selfish reasons, and not because he loves you and is dedicated to you.
You said that when you confronted E, “I got called crazy and was threatened to be left if I didn’t drop it“.
Has your boyfriend threatened to leave you if you don’t stop “attacking” E?
I must say I am very suspicious about E’s and B’s current relationship. Also, about E’s intentions. You said that when they met, E offered to help your boyfriend change his life. But he hasn’t really helped him change, has he, since he allowed him to “do all the same stuff he was doing”. Does it mean that E allowed B to continue giving sexual favors in exchange for drugs and money? It’s also possible that E was B’s customer on the night they met, but then their relationship grew into something more.
You said E took care of your boyfriend and provided a ride to jobs. What kind of jobs were those? You said B has just recently received his first paycheck in a long time. Does this mean he hasn’t been working in the past years, while he was with E? And now, he found a job 12 hours away from where you live. Do you know anything about that job?
Dear Rhonda, I don’t like to sound alarmist, but it seems to me there are a lot of murky things going on, even now, and that B might be hiding things from you. I think the least you should do is try to find out the truth. To not allow yourself to be fooled.
You were fooled at the very beginning of your relationship, when B lied to you about the rude gay guy. You said “I’m not sure why I made excuses or stayed” – maybe because you felt so alone, and you didn’t want to be alone any more? But it’s better to be alone (and seek a reliable and trustworthy support system) than to be living a lie, and possibly exposing yourself and your children to all kinds of perils.
TeeParticipantDear Dan,
how have you been?
I would like to comment on something that you’ve said recently. You said you feel terrible for not having suggested to bring your wife’s children to those mini vacations:
I look back now and see that maybe I should have suggested bringing the kids. I know kids can sense these things and although it wasn’t my intent at all to make them feel excluded, I can see how that may have happened. I feel terrible for that. … I feel so bad as I love the kids, but I’m not their dad and I can see how negative thoughts or beliefs can arise.
Please don’t blame yourself. First, you were in a tough situation, your wife’s children spending almost all of the time with you, being closed in one place 24/7. They didn’t go to school, you worked from home, so it was literally 24/7 with them. It was only natural that you needed a break. Wanting to have some time off in a situation like that doesn’t make you a bad stepfather.
And secondly, even if you did show some impatience sometimes, hoping that your wife would give you more attention – it was because of ONE part of you: your wounded inner child. You were otherwise a good stepfather and a good husband. You said you helped your wife a lot with the children, and you also gave her a great settlement, leaving the house to her and her children. This shows you are a good, kind, generous man. Your neediness didn’t show in the financial aspect – you generously provided for your wife and stepchildren.
So please don’t be so hard on yourself. And have compassion for yourself, specially for that needy part which might have caused you to behave less than optimally. That needy part went through a lot as a young child… He doesn’t need your judgment, but your empathy and understanding. I hope you can realize that…
October 29, 2022 at 12:55 am in reply to: My straight boyfriend's gay best friend- what's going on? #409289TeeParticipantDear Rhonda,
if you really want to make it work with your boyfriend, I think you’d need to first trust him enough. More specifically, you’d need to trust that he has good intentions and that he is not just using you: “I worry he’s faking everything with me to use me like he used a lot of other people.”
If there is a doubt in you that he is insincere, that he might have ulterior motives, I think you should establish first whether this is true or not. And if indeed he is lying to you and hiding something, then I think you’d need to find the strength to leave, because there is no point in building a life with someone on a lie.
Another problem is that it seems you won’t achieve much by talking to the old man, because he is possessive and doesn’t care about you or your feelings. He wants to stick around your boyfriend as long as he lets him. So it would need to be your boyfriend to set boundaries with his elderly friend – since the latter won’t back off on his own.
Unfortunately, it seems your boyfriend doesn’t see anything problematic in his elderly friend’s behavior, and even has feelings for him (a combination of love/respect for a father figure, maybe mixed with some erotic/romantic attraction). In fact, he stated that his elderly friend is family and “isn’t going anywhere”.
So it seems to me that your boyfriend isn’t willing to change anything in their relationship, neither is the old guy. Which doesn’t leave you with much choice, I am afraid. It’s almost like take it or leave it… since their positions are quite fixed.
TeeParticipantDear Julia,
for me, addiction was a way to soothe the pain of not being good enough. You said:
But I thought about what brings me to starting going down the path again and again and like you described it probably falls back to anxiety – of being alone (with my thoughts?).
What are those thoughts? Do you have a harsh inner critic, telling you how bad or inadequate you are? Maybe your inner dialogue is quite painful, and that’s why you need to distract yourself from it?
TeeParticipantDear GenJo,
I came from a christian tradition that embraced magical thinking. When the premise of your beliefs is nonsense then the ground work is laid to convince yourself of anything. The church community supports this and it becomes communal delusion.
So, this has led me to be suspicious of any group with shared but subjective beliefs.
Yes, even otherwise rational people can start believing in absurdities – if that’s the “groupthink” and they don’t want to be ousted by the group.
People in tightly knit spiritual communities often look for a sense of belonging, a sense of family. They sometimes see the leader of the community as a parental figure, who will give them love and appreciation/validation they haven’t received from their parents. So being a member of such a group can be tricky because there might be an unhealthy interpersonal dynamic, adoration of the guru, and rivalry between members, which is similar to sibling rivalry, etc.
What I am trying to say is that beside the teachings, what is also important is the interpersonal dynamic in the group, and specially how the leader is perceived. If there is idealization and “deification” of the leader, that’s never a good sign.
Anyway, these are in my opinion red flags and something to pay attention to in any spiritual community. Not sure how relevant it is for you, but I thought I’d mention it anyway, since I myself didn’t have the best experience.
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
I was forced from a young age to do things that was way too overwhelming for me, and I wasn’t ready for it. That’s the thing when it is mental, people expect you to go from 0-100 and if you can’t they say it’s because you don’t have the will.
You mean mental as opposed to a physical problem? I am guessing that it was different with your sister, who had a physical/neurological disease. She probably wasn’t expected to simply “heal” with the power of her will. And she wasn’t criticized that she was weak when she didn’t succeed, was she?
Am I sensing this correctly that there is wound there related to a different treatment that you and your sister received? Your problems were minimized and you were told to “just get over it”. While your sister got your parents’ full attention. And they never minimized her problems, but took them seriously, right?
People didn’t (and still to this day) respect my boundaries. Which is one of the reasons why i am so hard on myself. I was always told just to push myself harder and that it was not okay to say no because that way your anxiety wins.
I understand. Your boundaries, or rather, your limitations weren’t respected. For example, you were pushed to do a presentation at school, even if you felt horribly anxious. While your sister’s limitations were respected, I guess. Nobody pushed her to do things she wasn’t able to do.
Maybe I am reading too much into this, but perhaps there is another layer of pain – namely not receiving the same kind of care and attention as your sister, even though you too had significant issues and challenges, only of a different type?
So listening to my body and giving it rest when it needs is super important. Be my own gatekeeper and if my body is giving me the red light, people should’t try and convince me that it’s a green light.
That’s true! For example, you shouldn’t be pushing yourself to work overtime. Recently you said: I am working 11 days in a row to help pay for this treatment so not a lot of rest. That’s an example of pushing yourself too hard and not paying attention to your physical limitations. I mean, assuming that it wasn’t your supervisor who forced you to work 11 days in a row, but that it who you who chose to, to pay off your debt sooner?
TeeParticipantDear William,
I too was a part of a spiritual community (not a Buddhist one), and it was a rather negative experience. So I understand your caution about joining any group of “believers”. Are you considering joining a Buddhist monastery, where you would live together with other followers? Or it would be a loose community of people, who follow the same teachings but don’t live together?
TeeParticipantDear Sadlyconfused,
you are very welcome!
It’s wearing your heart on your sleeve (or rather, your face!) and having no control over it. It leaves you feeling so vulnerable and exposed around people who aren’t always very kind about it.
Added to that is the secondary shame of having been bullied for my shame reactions by my father, sibling, people at school and a particularly nasty teacher.
I had the luck that my mother (or my father) didn’t shame me for blushing. And neither did my teachers. I am not sure about my classmates, I don’t think they teased me for blushing either, since my blushing started mostly in secondary school, and they weren’t as cruel as some of my classmates in primary school. So I don’t recall having been teased for blushing (although I did believe that everybody thought of me as a freak because of that!)
You unfortunately were shamed by your father, your sibling, a particularly nasty teacher and your classmates. That’s very very hard and I feel for you.
The kids I can forgive because they were insecure bullies, but the fact that there wasn’t a single, empathetic adult to reassure me that there was nothing wrong with me meant that it became more of a complex than it should have done. I feel so angry at them as a I recall it, which is probably a healthy reaction!
Definitely, it must have been devastating for you. Not just the children bullied you, but also the authorities figures, whom you admired and looked up to. In fact, this teacher should have been called to responsibility for his unprofessional behavior… Your classmates were probably encouraged by his attitude, and therefore felt free to mock you even more.
You said you had a well-meaning mother, but it seems that she didn’t protect you from this kind of shaming? Have you told her about this nasty teacher? What was her reaction?
I feel so angry at them as a I recall it, which is probably a healthy reaction!
And you should feel angry! This teacher should have lost his job! And your father – well, he really was a cruel, heartless man. A sadistic man, I should say. I think it would be good if you could express your anger in a safe, therapeutic setting, because it will help you to build the capacity to say no, to set boundaries in the future. To not allow people to bully you and disrespect you.
Thank you so much for sharing your positive outcome with healing your shame, it’s so reassuring that your cheeks became less reactive as your self-compassion grew! …If you don’t mind me asking, how long do you think it took you to start noticing that your change in self-talk was having a positive impact?
You are very welcome. I think I took me a few years of intense work on myself. But I think the largest impact was when I started feeling compassion for my inner child – that’s when I could slowly let go of that core shame and of the core belief that “something’s terribly wrong with me”. When I no longer believed that I am defective at my core, I could relax more and it didn’t feel like torture to simply sit among people, or in a lecture, or at a public event.
I’ll aim to get into the habit of speaking to myself kindly before doing things I know are likely to trigger me. I think at the moment I get preoccupied with the discomfort of feeling panic and have been feeling that anything kind I try to tell myself will have no impact, so it helps to read that someone else has been through it and managed to make such inroads with healing.
Perhaps it would help you to do some EFT tapping (EFT – emotional freedom technique). I haven’t tried it personally because I didn’t know about it at the time, but apparently it helps to calm our nervous system.
Dr Nicole Lepera, a clinical psychologist, has a youtube video about it, titled: “Emotional freedom technique (EFT)”. You tap on 9 meridian points, while telling yourself “Even though I am feeling anxious, I deeply love and accept myself.” Perhaps this method has a stronger effect than just speaking to yourself kindly, because it involves working on the nervous system too.
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
As much as a relief it was to finally receive the right diagnosis last year, I was also devastating since after 20 years of hard work now I had to start all over again.
I know what you mean. Although I started working on myself years ago, I felt pretty stuck for quite a long time and couldn’t stop some of my negative habits. Then I switched therapists, and when I needed to explain my problems all over again to my new therapist, I felt so defeated. Like, why am I still here, why haven’t I made more progress?? I felt so defeated that I gave up therapy altogether and picked up only later, perhaps 5-6 years down the line. And then things started moving, finally…
I was only treated for anxiety and told I just needed to get out of my comfort zone and challenge myself, which didn’t make my anxiety less but actually worse.
That was bad therapy – to treat anxiety with “exposure therapy”, without addressing the underlying issues. In my case, I don’t think that my therapist was inadequate, it’s just that I had so much resistance. Perhaps if I had known the concept of the inner child then, it would have made a difference. But I didn’t, and I had so much trouble talking to myself with compassion. My inner critic was so strong and it just kept me paralyzed. The only true shift started when I was able to get in touch with that innocent child within me and see her/myself with compassion… only then did I manage to silence the voice of the inner critic.
At least since getting the right diagnosis things are moving forward.
That’s great! Be patient with yourself though… because you can’t change in one year what has been accumulating for more than 20 years of your life. Small steps, baby steps, and a lot of patience and self-compassion. At least that’s the only way I know.
Of course, besides having a lot of patience and self-compassion, you can also add some practical steps, such as a daily self-care routine, journaling (specially when you are triggered) and things like that. Dr. Lepera suggests a practice called Future Self journaling, where you envision your future self. I find it quite useful too.
I’m also going to look at the situation with the cute guy and cherish the good moments. The fact that of all the women working there I was the one that stood out to him. I have learn a lot and I still have changes to grow since we still work together so there are many chances to challange myself.
That’s a good attitude. Cherish the good moments, and yes, see it as a challenge: how to stay relatively calm and not too activated in his presence. And if you do get activated, notice your triggers, journal about it, etc… In fact, maybe if instead of a challenge you see it more like a game (something like “let’s see how I’ll react to him today”) and take it less seriously, maybe it would make things easier? Because that would take off some pressure of yourself to behave “perfectly”…
TeeParticipantDear Casey44,
there’s no way I’m going to have sex with him to ease his ‘tantrum
You’ve noticed it very well – it’s almost like he is restless and uses sex to “calm down”. There are such men (and I guess women too, but less frequently) who use sex for emotional regulation, without being aware of it. Specially men who aren’t in touch with their feelings, as it seems to be the case with your husband.
I find his practice of texting you to get ready for a “quickie”, in between his two meetings, rather degrading. This too seems like venting off stress via sex. Using you like a tool to meet his own needs, without taking into account your needs and your feelings.
It would be much healthier if he would come downstairs for a hug or a quick chat with you in the break between his meetings…
I am here to talk more if you feel like it…
TeeParticipantDear Emma,
thank you for letting us know. This is such a valuable work that you are doing! I am sorry that you’ve suffered childhood sexual abuse. But it’s so good to hear that you’ve healed, including by making art. That’s wonderful!
I am in a different time zone and won’t be able to see it at the time when it is live-streamed – is there a way to see it at a different time?
TeeParticipantYou’re welcome, Caroline. Good talking to you too!
Take care and take it easy 🙂
TeeParticipantDear Caroline,
Unfortunately I ended up not doing anything productive this week but I what I did is took a bike few times to go to the supermarket and thus spent some active quality time
You go to work every day, which is productive… don’t count that as nothing! You deserve to rest and relax, without making yourself feel guilty…. So just enjoy it, as much as you can! In other words, No Pressure! 🙂
As for the smiley: you quoted a paragraph of mine, which ended with a smiley. When you put a smiley in quotation marks, it shows up huge (I guess it’s an error in the script). I know it because I’ve already experienced unintentionally big smileys 🙂 So I guess the best solution is to omit the emoticons from the text you’re quoting…
TeeParticipantDear Dan,
You said:
I get really down on myself thinking what more could have I done? I’m stuck ruminating a lot wishing things weren’t the way they are.
In this post I’ll try to explain why in my opinion, your relationship didn’t succeed, and what both you and her could have done differently. I’ll say it right away: I think that your relationship didn’t succeed because of unhealthy patterns in both you and her. It’s not just your fault, and it’s not just her fault.
Let me give you an example. You said you wanted to go on mini vacations, but she always refused. You said it was because you didn’t go on a honeymoon and wanted to make up for that.
It’s normal for a married couple to go on a honeymoon, and to go on a honeymoon alone. So if she refused that, because she didn’t want to leave her children – that shows an unbalanced approach, where she feels guilty for doing something for herself. For having alone time with her new husband.
Besides, her children aren’t that young as she claims. 10 and 14 isn’t so young, they don’t need constant supervision. So she could have left them with their dad for a few days. Claiming they are young and using it as an excuse to not set any boundaries is a mistake on her part.
Returning to the mini vacation example: At the other end of the spectrum would be a scenario where you would want to go on mini vacations exclusively without her children. Where you would say “the weekend is coming, the kids are their dad’s – why don’t the two of us go to XYZ place and have some fun together?” I am not saying this is what you were pushing for, or hoping for, but it would have been an unbalanced approach too, because it would exclude the children altogether and make them feel unwanted.
If your wife was more on one end of the spectrum (never want to go anywhere without her children), and you were more on the other end (preferred not to go to trips with her children) – then it would have caused friction.
I do want to say I understand you: you got a deal which you didn’t want, because covid came and her children ended up spending all of their time with their mother and you. And you didn’t get to have any time with her alone. So going for a mini vacation just the two of you, would have been nice from time to time. And it wouldn’t have been selfish to ask for that.
But if what her children felt from you is the vibe of impatience, something like: “God, when are they going to leave already so I can be alone with my wife?” – then they would have been offended and start turning against you. I am not saying this is what you were thinking, at least not consciously, but unconsciously you might have been giving off such a vibe.
But it must have been hard for you, and you did find yourself in a difficult situation. Let me turn again to your question:
What more could have I done? I’m stuck ruminating a lot wishing things weren’t the way they are.
Well, if your wife didn’t have so much guilt, she would have understood your need and would have gone with you on one or two mini vacations (provided that it was possible to travel during covid?).
At the same time, if you weren’t so needy, you probably wouldn’t have been so negatively affected by the living arrangements during covid (being stuck with her children 24/7), and you wouldn’t have felt so deprived when she was attending to her children. So maybe there wouldn’t have been this rivalry between you and her children.
But this is only maybe, because if she spoiled them (and probably she did, because you said she had no boundaries with them, e.g. she lets her son sleep in her bed), then even if you were more patient and less needy, they might have still been jealous of you. I don’t know.
Anyway, to wrap this up: it seems to me that your responsibility in the breakup of the relationship is in being too needy, i.e. expecting her to meet all or almost all of your emotional needs (to feel loved, cared for, appreciated, seen, validated). She was your best friend (and maybe your only friend?), and it seems you depended on her to feel good about yourself. Due to this neediness, you might have unconsciously felt jealous of her children, which they picked up on.
While her responsibility in the breakup of the relationship, as I see it, is her strong feeling of guilt for not being able to please everybody, as well as feeling guilty for having needs of her own. Depriving herself of the things she loves, so she can please others.
What do you say? Does this seem like a plausible explanation to you?
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