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  • #288031
    varo
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    Hi All,

    Could really do with some advice let me give you a bit of background – I was in an 8 year marriage that ended very badly and for about 3 of those 8 years we was basically separated but living together for the kids – i eventually took the step of moving out to a place of my own as we could see it was more damaging for the kids staying together and arguing etc… that it would be living separate. A few months of living on my own and i got to know a girl from work it started as just chatting etc…. but quickly we realized it was more than just ‘friends’ after being together for 8 months and me practically living together we took the step of me moving in with her in January  – things quickly started to get worse she couldn’t cope with it and felt her new home (she has only just recently moved and i helped her decorate etc….) was being invaded due to me having my kids stay over every other weekend and me being there – she has asked for some space which i was unwilling to give at first but then eventually it ended with us breaking up and me going down to my mum’s house (2 hours from where we live and work) we spent a few days not talking and eventually reached out to each other as we miss one another – i agree that we moved in to early and that we do need our own space however i am currently stuck with no where to stay and looking for a place of my own which the one i want isn’t available for 6 weeks however she is refusing to let me stay with her in the meantime and im currently staying in a b&b however she is still adamant that she wants the relationship to work and does care about me but i feel abandoned – i think a lot of the issues that caused me having to leave is that i was very clingy and needy which i am currently trying my hardest to work on but im finding it difficult – i feel if she doesnt talk to me its because she is phasing me out?

    however i have been on a date with her and also spent some time at her house chilling out with her and i do still love her and i do still feel that this could work i just feel i need to get over this feeling of being clingy. I’m just struggling to justify it when she would happily see me stay in a b&b with no other options when i would let a friend stay over let alone someone i was supposed to be in a relationship with – but at the same time i took advantage of her when i was at the house and became lazy so i dont know if this is probably best and i just need to give her time and space and show her that i can stand on my own two feet.

    as you can tell this is a bit of a mind dump and there isnt a clear question im just very confused at the moment and trying to reach out for some advice from people who may have been through similar circumstances – can moving out give us that chance we need to rebuild our relationship? how can i be less clingy?

    Thanks and sorry for the long rambling post 😛

    #288069
    Peter
    Participant

    The Living Apart Together (LAT) arrangement seems to become much more popular however it only works if both people are fully on board. If one partner is really into it and the other is just going along, things won’t end well for either of them.

    The LAT arrangement requires each partner to have done the work to ‘know themselves’, the ability to set healthy boundaries and  most important good communication skills.

    #288075
    varo
    Participant

    I know and i am working on being on board with this i have spent a fair bit of time finding out what i feel and need (which is what brought me here!) and i think i’m seeing the positives to it now.

    #288079
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear varo:

    Reads to me that the woman you are still dating really doesn’t want you living with her, has an aversion for the idea of having you stay with her again, a bad feeling about it. This feeling may not change, sort of … once hating broccoli, always hating broccoli. What do you think?

    anita

    #288209
    Michelle
    Participant

    Hi Varo,

    Mind dumps are often the best way to start sharing and working through issues. It is difficult to start a new healthy relationship without giving yourself space to become your own person again first, to be able to stand on your own two feet, be happy on your own. But it often happens and life is not black/white, right/wrong.  I do think it’s a big part of why you have become clingy, looking to this new relationship to look after you, take care of you.  I think your new girlfriend has done the best thing possible to give your relationship a chance tbh – standing up for setting healthy boundaries and expectations is not easy and you should try to see this as a positive thing, she’s looking to take some time out to see how to make it work in a way that is a positive experience for both of you – otherwise you would have simply remained broken-up.  Six weeks is not such such a long time to wait to get your own place – and I would not take her being ok to see you in a B&B in the meantime as a negative thing but rather a good sign she wants to give you both the space needed to take it a bit slower, talk things through.  If you truly are interested in continuing with this relationship, try to be content with letting her setting the pace for a while, practice being independent, being the man she was first attracted to.

    Seems to me the whole moving in together early thing was based on entirely different expectations from you both – I am guessing you did not discuss these expectations before moving in together the first time, lay out the ground rules so to speak – so important especially when children are involved.  For example, why do you think you became lazy once you’d moved in together? What did you stop doing that you used to do – were you expecting her to run the house by herself for example? Did you have an expectation she would help look after your kids when they are visiting?  The point of moving in together is that both parties should have hopes it will be a positive experience – what do you think the positive things are that you brought to that experience for her?  If/when this relationship continues to develop down this path again, look to avoid making the same mistakes, talk through how it will work, what you will both bring to the experience.

    Hope helps, let us know how it goes.

    #288215
    varo
    Participant

    Thank you Michelle,

    This is a very thoughtful and helpful reply that is helping me put things into a bit of perspective – i have been reading through other posts on here and come to the realization that i deeply respect my girlfriend for the decision she has made and i realised just how difficult it must have been for her – I am starting to take this time to improve myself and i have been looking into a lot of mindfulness stuff including meditation to try and get a grip of my emotions as i tend to chop and change all the time leaving my girlfriend confused and exhausted we both know what we need to work on and are making steps in that direction.

    I think your right i think we moved in due to finances and people telling us it ‘made sense’ to move in and we are both struggling financially so it was a way to pool resources – i think it all happened very quickly and we didnt have time to sit down and set our expectations out on what we wanted from living together.

    I think I became more lazy because i fell back into old habits that i picked up at the end of my marriage for the last couple of years living in that house things were not great and i sort of withdrew from everything and didnt do much around the house etc… and i just think being back in a dyamic of living with a partner i slipped which is why i think me spending more time living on my own is a good thing and i can get behind this – i do also think we had a slightly different approach to things i was a bit more laid back with cleaning as in i wouldnt mind leaving something on the side until i was going into the kitchen and then i would take it with me whereas my girlfriend tends to be in her words a bit more uptight about things – she has also said that she is starting to realize that she is quite a selfish person and that is something she wants to work on as well – it was her house that she had only just recently bought and thats how she saw it and felt like i was invading her space which i do understand. I think i did have an expectation of her helping with the kids but that was because at first she did and she didnt mind it but as i started to slip i think she became more frustrated by that.

    i have spent a lot of my time thinking about this and trying to take positive lessons from it on how i can improve myself etc…

    I will keep you updated on how things progress but as it stands things are looking positive for the relationship i think i just need to get past these emotions and start the process of making myself a stronger person

    #288423
    Michelle
    Participant

    Hey Varo, glad it helped. I think it’s great you can see how to take lessons from this experience and work on yourself – very positive indeed.  Many people would continue to blame others, to blame circumstances, anything but themselves. But only by taking ownership, taking responsibility for yourself and your feelings will anything change for the better. So well done, look forwards to hearing how you go as you start out on this journey.

    It does sound like basically you guys moved in together before ready and whilst I get the financial pressure to do so, sometimes money isn’t the most important factor and it’s worth taking your time. Living by yourself for a while will be invaluable in getting past those bad old behaviours from your previous relationship and learning how to be the kind of man you want to be, the kind of example to your kids you want to be. It is so so easy to slip into being lazy and blame others, want others to take care of you – so good to hear you are working on not being that kind of person. There is a ton of great advice across this website so keep reading and enjoy the journey.

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