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December 31, 2024 at 1:33 am #441128beniParticipant
Thank you Anita. Let’s set sails for 2025!
December 31, 2024 at 8:04 am #441135anitaParticipantDear Beni:
Yes, let’s set sails for 2025!
Ever since I read your first post (on June 18, 2023, in your 1st of 3 threads), I found you interesting and difficult (for me) to understand. I want to try to understand you better today. If I understand you better, I get to understand myself better because we are two human beings and therefore, we have a whole lot in common. With better understanding, it’s likely to be a better sailing for 2025..
I hope that you don’t mind the length (or content) of this post (?) You are welcome to choose to read it or not, and if you proceed to read, you can stop reading at any time, and you are welcome to respond, or to not respond to the following.
I will start with what you shared yesterday: “I feel a bit shy to be more active here. It seems I can be active here being more or less authentic. I think itās difficult for me to help cause I try to help and that confuses me. Somehow it does not feel right. I tell myself that I use you all. And maybe sometimes I seek affirmation or try to impress and also itās not my true intention. Itās difficult to accept that.”-
– As I understand it, you expressed a level of self-consciousness, fear of judgment, and an internal conflict about being true to yourself while participating in the forums. You find it difficult to help others because your motivations are not entirely clear to you, leading to confusion and discomfort.
You acknowledged that sometimes you seek affirmation or try to impress others. and that trying to impress others is a true intention, stemming from a sense of neediness. This reveals a vulnerability and a desire for acceptance and validation from others. You feel conflicted about your desire for affirmation and the authenticity of your actions.
Your self-awareness and honesty are admirable, Beni. It takes courage to reflect on these motivations and acknowledge them.
Itās important to remember that seeking acceptance and validation is a natural and universal human experience. At the core of our social nature as humans, we have a fundamental need to connect with others. This connection often involves seeking acceptance and validation from those around usā whether it’s family, friends, colleagues, or even strangers.
According to psychologist Abraham Maslow, humans have a hierarchy of needs, and after our basic physiological and safety needs are met, we seek love, belonging, and esteem. Validation from others helps fulfill these social and esteem needs.
Seeking and receiving validation strengthens our social bonds. It fosters a sense of community and belonging, as we feel understood and supported by those around us. In times of uncertainty or stress, validation from others provides emotional support. It helps us navigate challenges and reinforces that we are not alone in our experiences.
While seeking validation from others is a natural part of the human experience, it’s also important to develop self-validation. This means recognizing and affirming our own worth and accomplishments without relying solely on external feedback. Balancing both forms of validation leads to a healthier sense of self and more resilient self-esteem.
In essence, seeking acceptance and validation is a universal aspect of being human. It contributes to our emotional well-being, self-esteem, and sense of connection with others. Acknowledging this need and striving for a balance between external and self-validation leads to a more fulfilling and confident life.
Being authentic involves transparent communication, that is, expressing one’s thoughts and feelings without pretense, disguise or deceit. It involves aligning your behavior with your true values rather than conforming to external expectations or trying to please others. It takes self awareness, that is, understanding and acknowledging your true self, including your strengths, weaknesses, values, and emotions.
Authenticity means not hiding behind a facade and allowing others to see the real you.
Being authentic is about maintaining consistency between your inner values and your outward actions. This means that your behavior reflects your true values, even when it’s challenging. Authenticity includes integrity, that is, upholding your values and principles, even in the face of adversity or pressure. Authenticity requires staying true to your moral compass and not compromising your beliefs for convenience or approval.
Being authentic boosts self-confidence, as you feel more comfortable and secure in your own skin. It reduces the anxiety and stress that come with trying to be someone you’re not.
Living authentically leads to greater personal fulfillment and satisfaction, as you’re able to pursue your true passions and goals without fear of judgment or rejection. It promotes emotional well-being, as it allows you to process and express your true emotions. It reduces the emotional toll of hiding your true self and fosters a healthier mental state.
On July 1, 2024, in your first thread, you shared: “What I wanna say is that some parents do not take there kidās experience serious. They say itās being manipulative. They do not understand that the child may feel very very different about this and that it feels real to the child. Itās an ignorant perspective. So sometimes I see my inner child out of that perspective.”-
-Here you expressed frustration that some parents do not take their children’s experiences seriously and often label their children’s emotions or actions as manipulative. This dismissal indicates a lack of empathy and understanding of the child’s perspective. You highlight that childrenās feelings are real and impactful to them, even if parents perceive them differently. This parental perspective undermines the child’s emotional needs and leads to feelings of invalidation. You acknowledged that sometimes you view your inner child through the same dismissive lens that you criticize in parents. This means that you occasionally downplays or invalidates your own emotions and experiences.
This internal conflict suggests an ongoing struggle with self-acceptance and recognizing the validity of your own feelings.
In general, parents invalidate their children’s emotions in a variety of ways, a few are:
1) Dismissal: Example: A child says, “I’m scared of the dark,” and the parent responds, “There’s nothing to be scared of. Just go to bed.”
2) Minimizing: Example: A child expresses sadness about a friend moving away, and therent says, “It’s not a big deal. You’ll make new friends.”
3) Criticizing: Example: A child is upset after losing a game, and the parent says, “Stop being a sore loser. It’s just a game.”
4) Blaming: Example: A child says they are hurt by something a sibling said, and the parent responds, “Well, you probably deserved it. You shouldn’t have provoked them.”
5) Ignoring: Example: A child is crying and the parent pretends not to notice or says nothing about it.
6) Overriding: Example: A child is excited about a project, and the parent dismissively says, “That’s nice, but let’s focus on something more important.”
7) Labeling: Example: A child shows anger, and the parent labels them as “dramatic” or “overly emotional.”
When parents routinely invalidate their children’s emotions, it leads to long-term emotional consequences. Children learn to suppress their feelings, struggle with self-worth, and have difficulty trusting their own emotions. It’s important for parents to validate their children’s emotions by listening, empathizing, and acknowledging their feelings as real and important.
I would say, Beni, that you and I do indeed have a lot in common: I too grew up in a very emotionally invalidating home, so much so, that I often refer to myself not growing up, but growing-in (emotions supprssed, turned inward), and I don’t feel that the word “home” applies to where I grew in.. because it was not a safe place, an emotionally-safe place that is (which is what a “home” is supposed to be).
I was severely and regularly invalidated. The emotional Consequences to me: Low Self-Esteem (a poor self-image and lack of confidence in my worth and abilities), Emotional Suppression (leading to difficulty in expressing emotions and a disconnect from my own emotional experiences: dissociation, numbing, being spacey/ not present), Chronic Anxiety and Depression (feeling isolated, misunderstood, and unable to trust my own emotions), Difficulty Identifying Emotions (an inability to recognize, label and therefore, manage my own emotions, resulting in confusion).
Social consequences: Relationship Issues (severe difficulties with trust, communication, and emotional intimacy), Attachment Problems (avoiding close relationships to protect myself from further hurt), Poor Boundaries (becoming overly accommodating to please others or becoming overly rigid to protect myself).
Cognitive Consequences: Negative Thought Patterns (such as self-doubt and negative self-talk), Impaired Problem-Solving Skills and Decision-Making (because of not trusting my own judgment and emotions as valuable tools in these processes).
I will close this post with: letās indeed set sails for 2025: let’s prepare for and embark on the journey into 2025 with a positive mindset and a sense of adventure, moving further into self-acceptance, validation, and connection both within and without!
anita
January 2, 2025 at 11:44 am #441216beniParticipantHeey, I just did a reply and it got lost on the way. Maybe I do another one later <3
January 2, 2025 at 12:15 pm #441219anitaParticipantDear Beni: I am sorry that you lost your post. What I do every time before I click “submit” is to copy my post, so that if it fails to submit, I can re-submit my copy. Looking forward to reading from you later!
anita
January 5, 2025 at 6:07 am #441275TParticipantI have gorgeous eyes and I have a haunted look because I am being abused every day. People need not to go along with the psychological harassment of others. It is evil.
January 5, 2025 at 12:41 pm #441305anitaParticipant* Dear T:
Thank you for sharing something so personal. I’m truly sorry to hear about the abuse you’re experiencing.
It’s important for people to stand against psychological harassment and support one another. Please know that there are resources and people who care about your well-being. Stay strong, and don’t hesitate to seek help from trusted individuals or organizations.
You are welcome to start your own thread (go to FORUMS at the top of the home page) and share your story. I would like to read and reply to you empathetcally and respectfully.
anita
January 7, 2025 at 12:31 pm #441410beniParticipantThank for your comment T. It’s your first comment here in this forum! It’s an honor š I wish you well!
January 13, 2025 at 7:01 am #441515beniParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks for the reply š
ā As I understand it, you expressed a level of self-consciousness, fear of judgment, and an internal conflict about being true to yourself while participating in the forums. You find it difficult to help others because your motivations are not entirely clear to you, leading to confusion and discomfort.
I somehow lose myself in the process of helping. And then there is an expectation that I need to give to receive. So when I only receive I can feel uncomfortable. I’d like to understand better that people often do things without expecting anything in return and it’s more my view on things and the people wich conditioned me rather than truth. Do you wanna share you’re interest in this conversation and what you expect in return? What it nurishes in you?
I would say, Beni, that you and I do indeed have a lot in common: I too grew up in a very emotionally invalidating home, so much so, that I often refer to myself not growing up, but growing-in (emotions supprssed, turned inward), and I donāt feel that the word āhomeā applies to where I grew in.. because it was not a safe place, an emotionally-safe place that is (which is what a āhomeā is supposed to be).
I was severely and regularly invalidated. The emotional Consequences to me: Low Self-Esteem (a poor self-image and lack of confidence in my worth and abilities), Emotional Suppression (leading to difficulty in expressing emotions and a disconnect from my own emotional experiences: dissociation, numbing, being spacey/ not present), Chronic Anxiety and Depression (feeling isolated, misunderstood, and unable to trust my own emotions), Difficulty Identifying Emotions (an inability to recognize, label and therefore, manage my own emotions, resulting in confusion).
Social consequences: Relationship Issues (severe difficulties with trust, communication, and emotional intimacy), Attachment Problems (avoiding close relationships to protect myself from further hurt), Poor Boundaries (becoming overly accommodating to please others or becoming overly rigid to protect myself).
Cognitive Consequences: Negative Thought Patterns (such as self-doubt and negative self-talk), Impaired Problem-Solving Skills and Decision-Making (because of not trusting my own judgment and emotions as valuable tools in these processes).
I hear you suffer(d) much darling!
It makes me feel sad and tired.
How is it now where are you on your journey? How do you relate to your parents? Did you find your people? Do you attract the live and people you want to attract?January 13, 2025 at 7:21 am #441521anitaParticipantDear Beni:
I studied your first thread this morning (well, night really, slept very little) because I realized lately that you and I have a lot in common in regard to our relationships with our mothers. In my almost 10 years in these forums, I don’t remember reading from any other member who experienced something so similar to what I experienced in content, intensity and consequences, so understanding you better leads me to understanding me better.
These are your words from your thread “How can I do what I want with joy”, July 18, 2023- Sept 15, 2024: “itās something like my space. She was too close. There was not enough space for me… By not expressing myself I protect my Mom from worrying, or meet her need for control. If she makes a request and Iām not sure that itās selfless I canāt do it… It sometimes feels like that I am my mom”-
– In the early stages of life, babies are naturally enmeshed with their primary caregiver, often the mother. This means that babies rely entirely on their mother for their physical and emotional needs. This close bond is crucial for the baby’s survival and development.
As children grow, they go through a process called separation-individuation. This is when they begin to recognize themselves as separate individuals from their mother. This process typically starts in infancy and continues through early childhood. It’s a gradual journey of gaining independence and developing a unique sense of self.
In a healthy developmental environment, the mother (if she is the primary or sole caretaker) supports the child’s growing independence while providing a secure base. This means the child feels safe to explore and express their individuality, knowing they have support to return to. This balance helps the child develop a strong, independent sense of self while maintaining a healthy attachment to the mother.
If the mother is too controlling and makes everything about her, this process is disrupted and the child struggle to separate and individuate, as they constantly feel pressured to meet the mother’s needs or expectations.
In such cases, the child may remain enmeshed, finding it challenging to develop their own identity and autonomy. This can lead to difficulties in establishing healthy boundaries and self-confidence later in life.
In summary, while all babies start with a natural enmeshment with their primary caregiver, a healthy development involves gradual separation and individuation. If the mother is overly controlling, it hinders this process, leading to ongoing enmeshment and challenges in forming an independent sense of self.
More of what you shared in that thread: “When Iām with people with different dialect I adopt it. I can easily be with a group and agree to every activity. I might lose my autonomy with time. Yes, I tend to tell people what they want to hear… Iād like to learn how to set healthy boundaries… Iād like to set boundaries with my mother.. I have some memories of self destructive behavior. Where I destroy things I like or a window or hit myself on the head to find some exit for how I feel… Empathy and the ability to express how you feel, really listen with the heart. I do not remember my parents doing that. Telling me how they feel or having these moments of connection much… when I think at my childhood I get maybe straight away 2-3 situations. In 4 Minutes I get like 8 situations, I remember… By not expressing myself I protect my Mom from worrying or meet her need for control… I do not wish to be controlled. I want to be asked what I would like to do… Iāve been thinking that I am dependent on her (subconscious). Cause I noticed that the things which stress her out like traveling, working a regular job, not misusing drugs, having a girlfriend are things I struggle(d) creating for myself…It sometimes feels like that I am my mom and my self is this thing I canāt control”-
– Like you, I struggled with autonomy. I was mostly unable to make decisions and act independently, without being controlled by others. I was unable to form and pursue my own goals and values. Essentially, I didn’t have the power to make choices and take actions that were in line with my own desires and principles. Like you, my tendency has been to tell people what they want to hear and people-please in other ways.
Growing up and into adulthood, on one hand I felt too close to my mother, so close that I felt suffocated. There was little to no emotional space for me. She took all the space, none left for me. I was unable to distinguish my own emotional state from hers: if she was anxious, I was anxious. If she felt hurt by a person, I was hurt by the same person. If she was angry at whomever, I was angry at him or her. When she felt good, it was my opportunity (as rare as it was) to feel good. It’s like I didn’t have my own feelings. I experienced her feelings.
But I did have my own feelings, it’s just that there was no space for my feelings. Her feelings took all the space.
On the other hand, the relationship severely lacked genuine emotional intimacy and understanding. This created a paradox where I was physically and emotionally close to my mother but psychologically distant and isolated, a confusing mix of being too close and too far.
Like you, my memories of my childhood last (if I replay them in my mind) only a few minutes. My motherās dominant presence dominated my own experiences away from her (like when in school).
In general terms, severe enmeshment is traumatic and it therefore affects mempry.
in an enmeshed relationship, the child is continually exposed to the parentās intense emotions and needs. This is overwhelming, causing chronic stress and anxiety. The child’s emotional system is constantly on high alert, trying to manage and respond to the parentās emotional state, which leads to emotional exhaustion and trauma. The constant suppression of self is traumatic, as the childās needs and desires are persistently overshadowed by the parentās. The undue burden of feeling responsible for the parent’s emotional states creates intense feelings of guilt and shame and prevents the child from developing healthy, age-appropriate relationships, leading to long-term psychological distress.
When the child faces an ongoing internal conflict between their need for independence and the parentās controlling behavior, it is deeply distressing and traumatic as the child feels torn between loyalty to the parent and the desire to assert their own identity. The inability to resolve this conflict leads to feelings of helplessness, frustration, and emotional pain.
The emotional trauma from enmeshment has lasting effects into adulthood, including difficulties in forming healthy relationships, feelings of inadequacy and low self-worth, anxiety and depression caused by chronic stress, and a weak or fragmented sense of self, making it challenging to make independent decisions and pursue personal goals.
Moving to this thread, you shared on Dec 15, 2024: “I wonder if someone wantās to share his insight to the following: I noticed that when I meet someone with the glassy alienated look in their eyes. It affects me very much… I have stomach pain… Itās hard to move my body. Itās hard to speak even to myself. I feel alienated too and I worry big for the person even if I donāt know her”-
– This heightened sensitivity to othersā emotions is an extgension of the traumatic enmeshment experience of childhood. The child is continuously exposed to the mother’s intense emotions, creating a constant emotional overload. Unlike in healthy relationships where the child has space to process his/ her own emotions, an enmeshed child is perpetually entangled in the mother’s emotional state without relief. The child often feels responsible for managing the mother’s emotions, which is an overwhelming burden for a young mind. Failing to meet her emotional needs leads to feelings of guilt and shame, further compounding the emotional distress. The mother’s intense emotions are, in effect, traumatic to the child and trauma can indeed manifest physically, with symptoms such as stomach pain, headaches, or other stress-related ailments.
In summary, the intense and continuous exposure to a controlling and emotionally overwhelming parent, coupled with the burden of emotional caretaking, can indeed make the mother’s feelings traumatic for an enmeshed child. Fast forward, the enmeshed child is now an adult… and other people’s strong emotions, like the stranger with glassy alienated look in hia/ hwe eyes, are experienced as traumatic.
Back to something you wrote in your first thread: “I feel disconnected when I set boundaries. Itās like one or the other extreme: only you or only me”- You experienced boundary-setting as an extreme, feeling that it has to be either “only you” (completely giving in to the other person’s needs) or “only me” (focusing solely on your own needs).
This all-or-nothing thinking (as in it’s me OR you) is common in enmeshed individuals. Setting boundaries can feel like an act of self-betrayal (if you satisfy the other person’s needs) or betrayal of the other person (if you satisfy your own needs), creating significant emotional discomfort. Healing is about finding a balance, and since you are way into your healing journey, you will put balance more and more into practice with people who are not controlling and dominanting (better avoid and stay away from controlling and dominating people, family or otherwise).
anita
January 25, 2025 at 7:22 am #441793beniParticipantHey Anita,
Wow I’m impressed by the effort made by you! You honour the hours I put in expressing myself. And I wish that you can learn from it.
I think you’re able to connect with how I put things into words. I also can connect with the theory of enmeshment and the way you write it down.It is so crazy how this affects my life. I’m in a grieving period where I realise what a mess all this is. I’m sad,free and also sometimes feel that live is not worth living. And all that is quite adventurous.
So the whole analysis helps me to validate my experience and to uncover the invalidating side.
What I’ve been exploring lately is how I choose to create drama. Because It’s what I’ve always done. I don’t know how to be any other way.
My life is like a show where I do something to free myself from creating a drama. Cause I belief I’m the show I can’t stop creating drama. Cause without the show I’d die. It’s pathetic.And I think I could die but then everyone would now what a fake I am and that I somehow can not accept.
Maybe I’m afraid of punishment. Or I can not forgive myself.Can you understand me?
January 25, 2025 at 9:15 am #441798Jana šŖ·ParticipantHi Beni,
I am so sorry I missed your reply to me. I am happy though that you found help in Anita’s response.
Could you write more about the drama? And could you be more specific – what exactly do you do in your real life to create drama?
And why should you forgive yourself? What did you do?
āļø šŖ·
January 25, 2025 at 11:10 am #441801anitaParticipantDear Beni:
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I’m glad that my analysis resonated with you and helped validate your experiences. It’s indeed a complex and challenging journey to navigate the effects of enmeshment and find one’s true self.
It’s understandable to feel a mix of sadness, freedom, and even questioning the worth of living when uncovering such deep-rooted issues. The grieving process is a significant part of healing, allowing us to acknowledge the pain and begin to move forward.
“What Iāve been exploring lately is how I choose to create drama. Because Itās what Iāve always done. I donāt know how to be any other way”- creating drama is often a coping mechanism and a learned behavior that once served a purpose:
When a person has grown up in an environment characterized by stress and chaos (drama), these conditions become the person’s “normal.” Even though these conditions are unpleasant, they are familiar. As adults, we might unconsciously seek out or create similar high-stress situations because it feels familiar and comfortable compared to the unknown. Familiar stress can feel safer than the unpredictability of peace and calm.
Also, drama provides a form of emotional and psychological stimulation. It can break the monotony of daily life, making the individual feel more alive and engaged.
It could also be a means to connect with others, as the chaos and drama might elicit responses and interactions from those around us.
In environments where people feel overlooked or insignificant, drama ensures they become the center of focus. Creating drama can also serve to influence how others react or behave. This influence can provide a sense of power and control.
In summary, creating drama as a coping mechanism is a learned behavior that once served a vital purpose in navigating chaotic or intense environments. By understanding and addressing the underlying needs, individuals can find healthier ways to feel alive, connected, and in control.
Recognizing that this behavior is a coping mechanism and understanding its origins is the first step towards change. Viewing the behavior with compassion rather than judgment helps in acknowledging that it served a purpose at one point.
I think that I do understand you. To understand more, I ask: can you elaborate on “Maybe Iām afraid of punishment. Or I can not forgive myself”?
I’m here to support you as you continue to explore and grow. You’re not alone in this, and every step you take toward understanding and healing is significant.
Take care and be gentle with yourself.
anita
January 26, 2025 at 7:00 am #441815beniParticipantHeey Anita,
I think that I do understand you. To understand more, I ask: can you elaborate on āMaybe Iām afraid of punishment. Or I can not forgive myselfā?
Yes I’ll try. Thanks for asking. It feels like I need allowance to move on from this. I start to call it resentment.
A fear is: If I’m just another person from one day to another I’ll loose people from my life. Cause I have been betraying them all my life.I’m volunteering in a kitchen at the moment and some days I feel alienated. And lately I did hardly do anything and I stood around. Slight things overwhelm me then. And I look very sad but below there is also much anger. So the best I can do is not panic and accept that I’m not very helpfull to the team in this Moment. I’m afraid that if I just surpess the strong emotions a little that I might loose control.
I hade some insight then that I can’t just be okay even there is no real problem. So I’ll observer that mindfully.My mom would always make a tantrum about the kitchen it’s a public place she likes to control. Maybe that is what my resentment is about that I did/do not understand that.
So I read I should take responsibility for my behaviour in all cases (mentally) and therefore I would rephrase that this way:
I force myself to support and participate even when I’m not well and have other needs to take care of. Because I see the people around me as oppressive enemies who have no interest in understanding what I need and even would punish me if I would show myself vulnerable.
That’s why I want to feel alienated, angry and sad to let them know how horribly they mistreat me. By changing my behaviour I would communicate the opressor that it works to disrespect my dignity and I’d rather die than to admit their power over me.
January 26, 2025 at 10:22 am #441821anitaParticipantDear Beni:
You are always welcome!
“My mom would always make a tantrum about the kitchen itās a public place she likes to control. Maybe that is what my resentment is about that I did/do not understand that”- her intense emotions and controlling behaviors took you away from you, did she?
I mean, a boy (or girl) needs space to be.
I am reminded of Shakespeare’s question: “To be or not to be, this is the question”.
An intense (too intense) mother who demands control, steals the authentic part of her child, and without this part, there is a disconnection within the child, a disturbing and persistent sense of alienation.
“I see the people around me as oppressive enemies who have no interest in understanding what I need and even would punish me if I would show myself vulnerable”- as I understand it, you see others the way you correctly see your mother: primarily, an oppressive enemy with no interest in understanding what you need, a woman who punished the authentic part of you.
“Thatās why I want to feel alienated, angry and sad to let them know how horribly they mistreat me. By changing my behaviour I would communicate the oppressor that it works to disrespect my dignity and Iād rather die than to admit their power over me.”-
– I suppose you are holding on to the feelings of alienation, anger and sadness because these valid feeling (valid because they are natural emotional responses to your mother’s behaviors) are the calls or cries of your hidden/ oppressed authentic self within. By changing these feelings, and/ or the expressions of these feelings, you’d be silencing the authentic self/ authentic child within, and admitting defeat.
Am I understanding correctly?
Oppression in genera leads to a wide range of emotional reactions, including anger, fear, sadness, resentment, alienation, frustration, shame, and defiance. When the oppressor is one’s mother, these emotional reactions are even more intense and complex due to the unique nature of the parent-child relationship:
In general, children of significantly or severely oppressive mothers- mothers who are sole or primary caretaker, and with little or no support by others- feel a mix of love and resentment towards the oppressive mother. The conflicting emotions create confusion and ambivalence. There’s a struggle between loyalty to the mother and anger towards her.
The children internalize the oppression, believing they are at fault or deserving of the treatment, feeling ashamed of their situation and their inability to change it.
They fear punishment or further oppression if they resist or speak out. They feel emotionally disconnected from the mother and from others as well, experiencing social isolation as a result. They feel trapped in the oppressive environment with no way to escape or change the situation.
General coping mechanisms: a mix of complying with the mother’s demands to avoid conflict and punishment, suppressing one’s true feelings and needs to maintain peace, actively resisting the mother’s control and asserting one’s autonomy, and engaging in defiant behavior as a way to reclaim power and control.
Long-term impact, generally: struggling to trust others due to the betrayal and control experienced from the mother, fear of being vulnerable and open with others, difficulty forming healthy attachments and relationships, reenacting similar dynamics in other relationships (example: a man marrying a controlling woman, one similar to his mother, and actively and continuously seeking her approval), anxiety, depression, and ongoing struggles with self-esteem and self-worth.
What I stated above in general terms has been true to me personally. My mother was my sole caretaker, there was no one but her in my life as a child (no other influence, at least non that was significant). She was extremely controlling and expressed her very intense emotions through protracted sessions of histrionics and drama. As a result, the authentic part of me went into hiding. Alienation and social isolation was the theme of my life. And yet, my authentic self, hidden and oppressed, never stopped trying to break into the surface and take its rightful space- space to be and to become.
is this your struggle too, Beni?
anita
January 28, 2025 at 9:21 am #441876beniParticipantHey Anita,
āMy mom would always make a tantrum about the kitchen itās a public place she likes to control. Maybe that is what my resentment is about that I did/do not understand thatā- her intense emotions and controlling behaviors took you away from you, did she?
I think I have a controlling mother, yes. I also have an accepting (father) side. They support me physically well. But I don’t think they do emotionally. They are not so much interested.
I mean, a boy (or girl) needs space to be.
I am reminded of Shakespeareās question: āTo be or not to be, this is the questionā.
That’s the main thing I’m doing. I create space. I think about that quote.
An intense (too intense) mother who demands control, steals the authentic part of her child, and without this part, there is a disconnection within the child, a disturbing and persistent sense of alienation.
āI see the people around me as oppressive enemies who have no interest in understanding what I need and even would punish me if I would show myself vulnerableā- as I understand it, you see others the way you correctly see your mother: primarily, an oppressive enemy with no interest in understanding what you need, a woman who punished the authentic part of you.
āThatās why I want to feel alienated, angry and sad to let them know how horribly they mistreat me. By changing my behaviour I would communicate the oppressor that it works to disrespect my dignity and Iād rather die than to admit their power over me.ā-
ā I suppose you are holding on to the feelings of alienation, anger and sadness because these valid feeling (valid because they are natural emotional responses to your motherās behaviors) are the calls or cries of your hidden/ oppressed authentic self within. By changing these feelings, and/ or the expressions of these feelings, youād be silencing the authentic self/ authentic child within, and admitting defeat.
Am I understanding correctly?
Yes, this resonates. Here I volunteer in a kitchen. But it can be other enviroments. Propably connected to authority.
By changing these feelings, and/ or the expressions of these feelings, youād be silencing the authentic self/ authentic child within, and admitting defeat.
Mhh, so I’m crying for justice but also I’m an adult now. And I want to be the adult in this relationship. I wan’t to break free. And I belief all I need to do is expirience it mindfully. With equanimity and compassion. To create space for it.
Physically important is to be at a place where I feel save for face these emotions. A place where there is not to much distraction and stimulation too.
I like to create stories where I need to do something specific to become free. And it can overlap with my moms worries. Like I meet them and I’m free. I’m somebody. But actually it’s quite simple. As long as I need to get rid of it as long as it’s an enemy I fight myself. I need to befriend myself.Oppression in genera leads to a wide range of emotional reactions, including anger, fear, sadness, resentment, alienation, frustration, shame, and defiance. When the oppressor is oneās mother, these emotional reactions are even more intense and complex due to the unique nature of the parent-child relationship:
In general, children of significantly or severely oppressive mothers- mothers who are sole or primary caretaker, and with little or no support by others- feel a mix of love and resentment towards the oppressive mother. The conflicting emotions create confusion and ambivalence. Thereās a struggle between loyalty to the mother and anger towards her.
The children internalize the oppression, believing they are at fault or deserving of the treatment, feeling ashamed of their situation and their inability to change it.
They fear punishment or further oppression if they resist or speak out. They feel emotionally disconnected from the mother and from others as well, experiencing social isolation as a result. They feel trapped in the oppressive environment with no way to escape or change the situation.
General coping mechanisms: a mix of complying with the motherās demands to avoid conflict and punishment, suppressing oneās true feelings and needs to maintain peace, actively resisting the motherās control and asserting oneās autonomy, and engaging in defiant behavior as a way to reclaim power and control.
Long-term impact, generally: struggling to trust others due to the betrayal and control experienced from the mother, fear of being vulnerable and open with others, difficulty forming healthy attachments and relationships, reenacting similar dynamics in other relationships (example: a man marrying a controlling woman, one similar to his mother, and actively and continuously seeking her approval), anxiety, depression, and ongoing struggles with self-esteem and self-worth.
What I stated above in general terms has been true to me personally. My mother was my sole caretaker, there was no one but her in my life as a child (no other influence, at least non that was significant). She was extremely controlling and expressed her very intense emotions through protracted sessions of histrionics and drama. As a result, the authentic part of me went into hiding. Alienation and social isolation was the theme of my life. And yet, my authentic self, hidden and oppressed, never stopped trying to break into the surface and take its rightful space- space to be and to become.
is this your struggle too, Beni?
It makes sense to me cause it explains my expirience of me in the world. There is one thing confusing me (sorry for comparing) and it is that my childhood was not that bad. I had my grandmother living close by. My Dad could eat lunch at home. I judge myself on this that I have no right to take space here. My problems are silly and made up. It’s unecessary drama. So this is how I invalidate myself.
What I want belief is that my expirience is whats true to me. Trauma can happen from small stresses and many things can trigger it. Sensitivity can play a role.
I hear your struggle and I’m touched when I read about you. I think it’s not fair that people have to expirience this!
So what I practice is to not push in life. If I do not do something naturally. If it hurts me I wait. And life works this way. I’m inpatient to approach work life. But I think as long as I see it as means to prove something or I make a thing out of it while I still have the means to stay away from it. I will not take action. This vacuum of control in my life is difficult. In a way it’s a changing to myself doing it and the mind doing it. And the doubt of getting lost in concepts and maybe meditation or in acceptance. It’s really hard to archieve things with that kind of mind I have. I block so quick and forcing works only for a short time. I’m afraid of trying even.
Mhh, but actually it’s as it is and I can accept it. It’s the only thing that helps it seems.
I don’t want to be in contact with my family much and it’s difficult to invest in friendships or long term friendships naturally or to have a girlfriend. There is so little I know and I start to be at peace with it.
So for now I’m quite on a spiritual journey.
Let’s see what happens! Do you have any advice for me Anita?
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