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    beni
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    Heey Anita,

    “My mom would always make a tantrum about the kitchen it’s a public place she likes to control. Maybe that is what my resentment is about that I did/do not understand that”- her intense emotions and controlling behaviors took you away from you, did she?

    I think I have a controlling mother, yes. I also have an accepting (father) side. They support me physically well. But I don’t think they do emotionally. They are not so much interested.

    I mean, a boy (or girl) needs space to be.
    I am reminded of Shakespeare’s question: “To be or not to be, this is the question”.

    That’s the main thing I’m doing. I create space. I think about that quote. Propably I didn’t get the space I need from my mother and my mother didn’t get the emotional support she needed from my father. And my father didn’t have space for that cause of work responsibilities.

    An intense (too intense) mother who demands control, steals the authentic part of her child, and without this part, there is a disconnection within the child, a disturbing and persistent sense of alienation.

    “I see the people around me as oppressive enemies who have no interest in understanding what I need and even would punish me if I would show myself vulnerable”- as I understand it, you see others the way you correctly see your mother: primarily, an oppressive enemy with no interest in understanding what you need, a woman who punished the authentic part of you.

    “That’s why I want to feel alienated, angry and sad to let them know how horribly they mistreat me. By changing my behaviour I would communicate the oppressor that it works to disrespect my dignity and I’d rather die than to admit their power over me.”-
    – I suppose you are holding on to the feelings of alienation, anger and sadness because these valid feeling (valid because they are natural emotional responses to your mother’s behaviors) are the calls or cries of your hidden/ oppressed authentic self within. By changing these feelings, and/ or the expressions of these feelings, you’d be silencing the authentic self/ authentic child within, and admitting defeat.

    Am I understanding correctly?

    Yes, this resonates. Here I volunteer in a kitchen. But it can be other enviroments. Propably connected to authority.

    By changing these feelings, and/ or the expressions of these feelings, you’d be silencing the authentic self/ authentic child within, and admitting defeat.

    Mhh, so I’m crying for justice but also I’m an adult now. And I want to be the adult in this relationship. I wan’t to break free. And I belief all I need to do is expirience it mindfully. With equanimity and compassion. To create space for it.
    Physically important is to be at a place where I feel save for face these emotions. A place where there is not to much distraction and stimulation too.

    I like to create stories where I need to do something specific to become free. And it can overlap with my moms worries. Like I meet them and I’m free. I’m somebody. But actually it’s quite simple. As long as I need to get rid of it as long as it’s an enemy I fight myself. I need to befriend myself.

    Oppression in genera leads to a wide range of emotional reactions, including anger, fear, sadness, resentment, alienation, frustration, shame, and defiance. When the oppressor is one’s mother, these emotional reactions are even more intense and complex due to the unique nature of the parent-child relationship:

    In general, children of significantly or severely oppressive mothers- mothers who are sole or primary caretaker, and with little or no support by others- feel a mix of love and resentment towards the oppressive mother. The conflicting emotions create confusion and ambivalence. There’s a struggle between loyalty to the mother and anger towards her.

    The children internalize the oppression, believing they are at fault or deserving of the treatment, feeling ashamed of their situation and their inability to change it.

    They fear punishment or further oppression if they resist or speak out. They feel emotionally disconnected from the mother and from others as well, experiencing social isolation as a result. They feel trapped in the oppressive environment with no way to escape or change the situation.

    General coping mechanisms: a mix of complying with the mother’s demands to avoid conflict and punishment, suppressing one’s true feelings and needs to maintain peace, actively resisting the mother’s control and asserting one’s autonomy, and engaging in defiant behavior as a way to reclaim power and control.

    Long-term impact, generally: struggling to trust others due to the betrayal and control experienced from the mother, fear of being vulnerable and open with others, difficulty forming healthy attachments and relationships, reenacting similar dynamics in other relationships (example: a man marrying a controlling woman, one similar to his mother, and actively and continuously seeking her approval), anxiety, depression, and ongoing struggles with self-esteem and self-worth.

    What I stated above in general terms has been true to me personally. My mother was my sole caretaker, there was no one but her in my life as a child (no other influence, at least non that was significant). She was extremely controlling and expressed her very intense emotions through protracted sessions of histrionics and drama. As a result, the authentic part of me went into hiding. Alienation and social isolation was the theme of my life. And yet, my authentic self, hidden and oppressed, never stopped trying to break into the surface and take its rightful space- space to be and to become.
    is this your struggle too, Beni?

    Yes that is my struggle!

    It makes sense to me cause it explains my expirience of me in the world.
    So what I practice is to not push in life. If I do not do something naturally. If it hurts me I wait. And life works this way. I’m inpatient to approach work life. Impatiance actually slows me down!

    As long as I see it as means to prove something or I make a thing out of it while I still have the means to stay away from it. I will not take action. This vacuum of control in my life is difficult. In a way it’s a changing to myself doing it or the mind doing it.
    And there is doubt of getting lost in concepts and maybe meditation or in beeing too loose. It’s really hard to archieve things with that kind of mind I have. I block so quick and forcing works only for a short time. I’m afraid of trying even.
    Mhh, but actually it’s as it is and I can accept it. It’s the only thing that helps it seems.
    I don’t want to be in contact with my family much and it’s difficult to invest in friendships or long term friendships naturally or to have a girlfriend. There is little I know and I’m capable of right now and I start to be in peace with it.

    So for now I’m quite on a spiritual journey.

    Let’s see what happens! Do you have any advice for me Anita?

    #441882
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Beni:

    You acknowledged having a controlling mother but also mentioned an accepting father, stating that although your parents provide physical support, there was a lack of emotional support and interest.

    You expressed a desire to break free from the past and take on an adult role in your life but you struggle with comparing your childhood to others’ and feeling that your problems are silly or made up. This self-invalidation prevents you from fully acknowledging your experiences and the impact of these experiences on you. You want to believe that your experiences are valid and that trauma can result from small stresses.

    My input today: for young children, stresses and trauma are significant even when as adults looking back and comparing, those stresses look small in comparison to other people’s sufferings.

    It is important to understand that children don’t have the same perspective as adults. They don’t have the ability to compare their experiences to others’ and minimize their own trauma. For the child, the stress and trauma they experience are very real and impactful. So, when you are now minimizing your suffering as a child by comparing your suffering to others’- the boy that you were (who is still a big part of you)- did not and does not compare. His emotional sufferings were- are real and significant.

    By the way, everything is physical: emotional experiences are physical, involving chemicals that are released into the blood and create physical reactions in our physical bodies, even when such reactions are not evident to the outside.

    Also, a child who suffers traumas like natural disasters, wars, crime (such things that seem way bigger- in an adult’s mind- than a child who let’s say suffered from a peer at school who said hurtful things to the child), if they have emotional support from caregivers/ adults, they are likely to end up way less damaged emotionally than a child experiencing a bully in school and having no emotional support from parents or teachers.

    Emotional support is crucial to the emotional health of the child. It softens the blows of negative events and experiences. Having no emotional support=> there’s nothing to soften the blows.

    I hope this helps explain why childhood stresses and traumas are significant, even if they seem small- in an adult’s mind- in comparison to other people’s suffering.

    “so I’m crying for justice but also I’m an adult now. And I want to be the adult in this relationship. I want to break free”- to break free, you will need to get to a point where you no longer compare and minimize and invalidate your childhood sufferings.

    It’s a good thing, Beni, that you are actively creating space for yourself. Please create more space for yourself by validating your experiences as a child. This is essential for nurturing your authentic self.

    Continue to engage in activities that allow you to express yourself and feel safe, whether it’s volunteering or other pursuits that bring you peace. Your approach to experiencing emotions mindfully, with equanimity and compassion, is commendable. Befriending yourself and accepting your emotions can help reduce internal conflict and foster self-compassion, softening blows in life.

    It’s important to find a balance between not pushing yourself too hard and taking gentle steps towards your goals. Small, manageable actions can help you build confidence without overwhelming yourself. Celebrate every small victory along the way.

    Building meaningful connections can be challenging, especially with a history of feeling emotionally unsupported. It’s okay to take your time and seek out relationships that align with your values and needs. Trust that authentic connections will come with time and patience.

    Your spiritual journey is a valuable path for self-discovery and inner peace. Embrace this journey and allow it to guide you towards a deeper understanding of yourself and your place in the world.

    Beni, your awareness and willingness to explore your emotions and experiences are truly admirable. Continue to honor your journey, and know that it’s okay to seek support when needed. You are not alone, and your path towards healing and growth is uniquely yours. Thank you again for sharing, and I’m here for you if you have more thoughts or questions.

    anita

    #441909
    beni
    Participant

    Hey Anita,

    Thank you so much! I will let all this sink in. I’m glad I can reach out here.

    Love Ben

    #441914
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Beni:

    You’re very welcome! Take all the time you need to let it sink in. I’m here whenever you want to reach out.

    Sending you love and best wishes

    anita

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