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September 12, 2016 at 2:31 am #114995ccnParticipant
Hi all! I would first like to thank everyone on TinyBuddha for creating such inspiring contents and sharing so many stories. As the title suggested, I have recently gone through a difficult end to a relationship I cherished, and this website has helped me a lot in helping me calm myself. Since this is a secretive same-sex relationship, I couldn’t confide in my friends or family (she specifically asked me not to do so). I would like to share my story with and seek advice/comments from the community. For now let’s name the other person in this story “Y”.
Y and I are both young females in our early twenties. We met in school as friends 5 years aho, developed a very deep, loving and exclusive relationship, but recently she began wanting to start dating a male friend she met through work. She wants me to accept it and let her go, but doesn’t want me to distant myself from her. Here’s the story.
Throughout the 5 years, we were extremely close emotionally. In the past 4 years we were mostly in a long-distance relationship since I was studying abroad. Whenever I come home for the holidays we meet almost everyday, minus the time we spend with other friends and family – that’s how much we loved being with each other. We engage in sexual (but not penetrative) activities. We never ‘officially’ came out or dated, but we both enjoyed having each other by our sides, travelling, hanging out, having sleepovers etc. together. She says she will eventually want a baby, but she also wants to be with me until the day she dies (exaggeration much?).
But things changed quickly. About 1.5 months ago she first mentioned this guy from her new job, in whom she felt she has an interest, and 2 weeks later they began going on dates. After she told me about this, I gave my blessing (painfully!); but as they got closer, I felt replaced, frustrated, sad and confused. I felt I have no right to feel this way, because Y and I were never in an ‘official’ relationship to start with. They are not boyfirneds/girlfriends yet, and she told me one of the big reasons was that she feels guilty towards me, and couldn’t move further witht that guy because she knows I am upset. I told her not to worry and that she should stop imagining me as a barrier to their relationship. I was encouraging about her trying out with this guy, but also that I need time to sort out my feelings. Here comes the part which troubles me to this day: frustratingly, she doesn’t want me to get away from her.
After she started seeing this guy, she continues to make plans with me, telling me she wants to see me. In the past she has always come around to my house (my family knows her quite well, but they didn’t know we were physically intimate) for dinners and sleepovers. Initially after the ‘breakup’, I turned her down, saying I don’t feel comfortable yet. However, after asking a few times I said ok to her – because I genuienly cherished the deep connection and friendship we had, and felt it was unneccesary to push her away like this, no matter how hurt I was feeilng. She came over once or twice every week. Once or twice we briefly talked about her new relationship, and other times we became phyiscally again (cuddling, kissing, fingers involved). After the ‘sex’ she says ‘perhaps this is just the way we get along, I really enjoy being with you and can never lose you’. I had mixed feelings – I enjoy the sexual parts (I have strong sexual desires) but am trying really hard to detach from her emotionally. She felt my deliberate distancing and often tries to reconnect.
Recently I started planning my postgrad studies and work (abroad again). Upon hearing about this, she got very upset, saying she doesn’t want me to move away and be alone and without her taking care of me. She wants us to be within reach, so that whenever I got stressed and upset she could cuddle/be here for me. I know she is genuine in her intentions in ‘looking after’ me – that’s the way she has always been, very warm, caring and loving. I am quite certain about my future plans and my determination to stop being emotionally dependent on her, so that I can get on with my life and avoid inflicting further injuries.
The past month has been extremely painful. I was very jealous and angry (not outwardly), but after a lot of reflection and soulsearching, and through browsing websites like TinyBuddha I feel much calmer and peaceful now. I am hopeful about my future and enjoy much support from my friends and family. The only thing frsutrating me is my unfinished relationship with Y. I value her as a friend, but I can no longer feel safe in being emotionally connected with her. I loved her very much, to the point that I was happy to be with her for the rest of my life. But my lingering jealousy and sadness makes it very difficult for me to accept her and her new relationship wholeheartedly. I am not sure how to maintain this friendship without getting myself hurt.
To sum up: she wants to remain phyiscally and emotionally close with me. Part of me thinks that’s ok, part of me is still not over her and still feel pain about her new love interest. It’s like a tug of war between the rational, logical me, and the emotional attachment and love for her. I am consicously detaching myself from her (eg. she texts me about little things in her daily life, but I only occassionally and politely reply to her when she starts asking where I am). I don’t want her to be upset, but I also want to acknowledge the feelings and vulnerability I am going through, and to protect myself from further injuries.
Thank you so much for reading – typing these out has given me a clearer picture of my narrative of the relationship. It is an unusual case, and I understand it may be confusing for some. Any comments/sharing/questions are warmly welcomed.
September 12, 2016 at 5:49 am #114996GunterParticipantHi Charlotte
I can understand your frustration and pain. And while I have not been in a same sex relationship (I am straight), love is love, no matter between what genders.
There is one thing that got my attention, and I quote:“Upon hearing about this, she got very upset, saying she doesn’t want me to move away and be alone and without her taking care of me. She wants us to be within reach, so that whenever I got stressed and upset she could cuddle/be here for me. I know she is genuine in her intentions in ‘looking after’ me – that’s the way she has always been, very warm, caring and loving.”
She seems rather insistent on wanting to look after you. Does she not trust that you can make your own decisions? Is she expecting you to fail? Also, it sounds like her need to “look after you” is a very great need. I am wondering if this is an issue with one of her parents. Did her mother “take care” of her to the point of smothering her? Maybe she heard the message at home that she isn’t good enough, and that mother will always be there to take care of her.
Anyway, I think you should let her know how you feel. It is your life, and each one of us must live it as best we can. And if she understands, she will give you all the support you need for YOUR journey, because that is what a genuine friend / lover would do. They would want you to succeed and be happy. If she can do that, I think your friendship would become even deeper, even if you are not physically closely located to one another.
Good luck on your path.
GunterSeptember 12, 2016 at 8:01 am #115001InkyParticipantHi charlotteccnc,
Wow, your friend has the best of all worlds, doesn’t she?
She gets to
1. Keep your relationship a secret
2. Have a boyfriend AND a girlfriend, and
3. Tell you to NOT go far away to study for YOUR FUTURE!!Imagine if she were a straight male with ALL the privileges. What would the average person tell a girl whose boyfriend wants to keep her a secret, have a second girlfriend AND tells her not to go do her post grad studies so HE can be there when SHE gets emotionally upset??
Dump her Charlotte, she is NOT emotionally safe for you to be around.
Blessings,
Inky
September 12, 2016 at 8:31 am #115007AnonymousGuestDear charlotteccnc:
Inky stated it perfectly (one of “The Best of Inky’s right there, above).
She feels comfortable with the arrangement she is interested in. She is interested in it because she feels comfortable in it. You don’t. So what do you do? Continue your discomfort so to accommodate her comfort? That would be a painful sacrifice on your part.
I don’t believe that you can … make yourself comfortable with the situation by removing the emotional discomfort through any rational re-configuration.
Do take care of yourself by ending the physical/ romantic relationship with Y (and any relationship whatsoever, if that is what it takes), and move on with the goal of meeting another person in your life who will be interested in only you, romantically and physically.
anita
September 12, 2016 at 11:12 am #115020MarieParticipantDear charlotteccnc:
I am a lesbian, and while I do not judge you for being secretive about your relationship (like many in the LGBT community often do), I want you to step back and understand that this wasn’t your decision. It was hers, and it removes a huge, important part of the relationship – respect. Enough respect to allow you to make equal parts of decisions in your relationship regarding whether it’s public knowledge, whether you can speak to others about the level of your connection, etc.
If you have only a public forum to turn to for support, and you cannot ask others in your life, the amount of control that this person has had over you is absolutely unacceptable. You are a beautiful soul that deserves more than that.
Please understand that this will always be the case. You need to have high standards for the way you are treated, because the secretism that is often prevalent in same-sex relationships can lead to a very high level of unhealthiness, overly controlling behavior and narcissistic expectation.
Find your strength, because you will need it. Not because this is a same-sex situation, but because it is a very hard thing to learn that you will always be the first person to know when something is wrong/unbalanced. Trust your feelings. You posted this because it wasn’t right. Turn away.
September 12, 2016 at 11:32 am #115021FayeParticipantHi Charlotte
Well done for posting such a open message. Luckily you’ve found a forum that will be supportive and will have your best interests in mind.
I’m in my late 20s and have spent the last 10 years trying to understand the world of lesbian relationships, unfortunately there’s no 2 relationships the same! But I can share some of my experiences with you, and can mirror some of the issues you are currently facing.
Unfortunately it sounds like Y is not ready to fully commit to a gay relationship, and would like to experience being with a man before she can understand her own sexuality. Media perceives sexuality very black and white, and you will hear people say “I always knew I was gay” etc. But from my experience its not so simple. I had a 4 year relationship with a man before coming to terms with being gay.
I have been in a similar situation as you, and I think you should give yourself some time to understand what you want. If you want her to be your girlfriend, then you should talk to her, if she rejects you then you can start the process of moving on. Perhaps the reason you probably haven’t confronted her directly about this is because you’re scared of loosing her.
You are obviously a very caring and understanding person, but you may be denying yourself your own happiness in order to compensate for her uncertainties.
Always remember, whatever happens, be safe in the knowledge that you will always be ok. This should give you the strength to act in a way that nurtures your own soul, rather than being a people pleaser or your kindness being taken advantage of.
Good luck, and I hope you manage to reach peace and understanding in your mind.
Felix
September 12, 2016 at 3:17 pm #115031JimParticipantCharlotte,
You are obviously a very caring and loving person and you deserve to be loved as such. Having been through situations such as yours many years ago I would agree with many people posting here, your friend wants the best of both worlds and is hurting you in the process. “perhaps this is just the way we get along, I really enjoy being with you and can never lose you”-If that were true she would be faithful to you which is what you deserve, but she has chosen not to do that.
I think you instinctively know this and limiting/ending contact with this person is the only way you can heal and move forward. That will allow your heart to be open to a healthy love and not the part-time affections you are getting now. It is hard at first but worth it in the long run as I gratefully found out.
Jim
September 12, 2016 at 7:01 pm #115033ccnParticipantHi Gunter,
She has always striven to give support and be a very warm and positive person, no matter in friendships or her family. That has been her ideal self for as long as I knew her. You pointed out that if she is genuinely caring and supportive, she should support my decision and accept that I am going to move on from her. It got me thinking: maybe she simply wants to make up for whatever she feels guilty of (leaving me for another person, asking me to keep it a secret AND stay by her side?) by asking me to be reliant on and trust her. I am generally quite rational and independent when it comes to big decisions like these; I am sure I will be able to cope with studying abroad and taking care of myself, something I have already been doing for some years. I have spoken to my friends and family about my future plans and goals and they have been so encouraging it touches my heart. So, maybe it’s just her guilt, or maybe she just genuinely thinks I need her by my side to feel supported and loved. Thank you for your comments again!Charlotte
September 12, 2016 at 7:09 pm #115034ccnParticipantHi Inky,
Such powerful way to put things in perspective! Thank you so much for providing this alternative angle. As I said above in my reply to Gunter, I am starting to feel that the way she is asking me to stay with her and be supported by her emotionally (in fact, she asked me to wait until she graduates so that we can do a masters degree together) is simply because she doesn’t know other ways she could compensate my pain, and so that we can stay connected. Your comment that “she is not emotionally safe for you to be around” kind of woke me up. I never considered that she could be potentially emotionally damaging, because in the past we have always wanted to grow (emotionally, intellectually) together and be there for each other. I don’t know whether she realises what she is doing. She seems to think only from her perspective and wants me to accommodate her so she feels less guilty. Again, thank you so much for your comment!
Charlotte
September 12, 2016 at 7:24 pm #115035ccnParticipantHi Anita,
“She feels comfortable with the arrangement she is interested in.” Again, this is something I haven’t thought of before. For all the emotional needs she has from me even after she started dating this guy, I just went with the flow and responded as politely as I could; I couldn’t step back and see that she is only trying to make the whole situation comfortable for her. She often calls/texts me, looking for warmth and a listening ear even after she started dating the new guy. There was once when I responded very coldly, so she got upset and thought I was being unfair and mean to her, because I treat most of my friends with patience and love while I was deliberately being cold to her. I just felt I don’t have the responsibility to take care of her emotional needs anymore – if she wants the needs met, she could go to her new guy, or do it herself! But then sometimes I feel sorry and go back to being more caring. She then takes it for granted, and asks for more. This has to stop! Thank you Anita for pointing this out.
Charlotte
September 12, 2016 at 7:44 pm #115037September 12, 2016 at 8:14 pm #115040AnonymousGuestDear Charlotte:
You are welcome. Being a caring person should not mean being available to be used. So take best care of yourself first. Make sure you are doing what is best for you. Do not sacrifice your well being for someone else’s comfort.
Post anytime.
anitaSeptember 12, 2016 at 8:39 pm #115042ccnParticipantHer request for me to keep it secret troubled me greatly at the earlier stage when things unfolded. I told her about wanting to speak to a few close friends (happen to be our mutual friends, but she is not that close with them) about my pain and heartbreak, and that I won’t disclose her name. But she responded saying she doesn’t trust them to be non-judging and able to hold secrets like these, so she asked me whether I could speak to her directly, or find counselor. I respected her wish so I went to a counselor, but it was financially quite expensive for me, I am just a student and don’t want to ask my parents for money for something they don’t know about. This forum has helped me see things from third party and more objective perspectives. The thing with us is that neither of us acknowledged this as a lesbian, romantic relationship (we never called each other girlfriends) although I would say what we do and what I felt was pretty much a very loving relationship. This is why I hadn’t thought about this relationship in relation to the LGBT community. We always just said we love each other very very deeply, not romantically although we sometimes crave physical closeness.
But again, thanks for supporting me to trust my own feelings. You are right in that I knew something was not ok, which led me to want to share and seek help.
Charlotte
September 12, 2016 at 8:47 pm #115044ccnParticipant@Faye
“Unfortunately it sounds like Y is not ready to fully commit to a gay relationship, and would like to experience being with a man before she can understand her own sexuality” yes she did say she wants to experience more in life, especially heterosexual romantic relationships. I don’t demand that she comes out or acknowledge me as her lover – I am quite cool about her going off to try new things now. It troubled me at the beginning, knowing that I can’t give her things she wants (recognition by her traditional family, babies, fairy-tale like marriage) but also knowing it’s not a ‘FAULT’ on my part for being a female. I initially felt it was unfair of her to have left me so that she can ‘officially’ and ‘properly’ date a guy, while still wanting me to be supportive and loving. But as I said, I have made progress in letting go and not care about it too much now.As of now, I want to pursue my academic and career goals. I’ll admit I still want to be with her, but somehow the desire is fading and I am excited about meeting someone new, someone who is more certain of what he/she wants and is complete on his/her own. I’ll remain hopeful and be ready to embrace a new, deep relationship. “Always remember, whatever happens, be safe in the knowledge that you will always be ok. This should give you the strength to act in a way that nurtures your own soul” – thank you. I hope I find peace soon and grow wiser as a result of this.
Charlotte
September 12, 2016 at 8:52 pm #115046ccnParticipant@jim,
Thank you so much. I’ll accept that her and I do not have the same expectations anymore. While she wants me to stay with her and be taken care of by her, I know it may just be because she is projecting her own needs on me: she is quite needy emotionally, and may think that I have the same needs. In fact I know I get deep satisfaction from success in academics, in work and in my interactions with friends and family. Her love was something I cherished and grateful for, but not something I need in order to move on in life.
Thank you for giving me the advice from your own experience. I hope it will eventually be proved that ‘limiting/ending contact with this person is the only way you can heal and move forward. That will allow your heart to be open to a healthy love and not the part-time affections you are getting now. It is hard at first but worth it in the long run as I gratefully found out.’
Charlotte
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