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  • #270043
    RoseQ
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    Hello,

    In my last topic I spoke about the unhealthy relationship I have with … well, relationships and how I seem to be much stronger and happier alone. It seems as though being with men makes me weak, vulnerable and unhappy. Both men I have been with romantically have been emotionally unavailable and I continue to be attracted to men who are distant. My father is the same and always has been.

    I might have found something that could explain why I am failing in my relationships and could really benefit from another person’s perspective.

    I come from a family where there are 3 of us women, and 1 man, my father. My mom, sister and I are all very similar. Spiritual, vegan, open minded and positive people who have always had a tight bond. My father on the other hand is very traditional. This means, he works a bunch (12 hours a day in a job he doesn’t like) so he can support us. He doesn’t do much around the house or engage in conversations with me or my sister… He of course asks us how we are and is kind to us (please, don’t get me wrong, he is a kind hearted man) but I never really have heart to heart conversations with him… I feel like we never truly connect and don’t have much to talk about – this sometimes makes me feel a little uncomfortable when I am alone with him. He is one to keep his feelings to himself and doesn’t have much to say about… anything really! He loves to spend time alone and after a long day of work when he comes home, he is often short tempered and tells me he just wants to be alone, which I can understand. One thing to take into account – he is a COMPLETELY different person when he is on holiday from work. He is spontaneous, laughs, has energy and is an adventurous person. I get on well with my dad when he has a break from work. But in day-to-day life, it’s often difficult.

    So, going back to the beginning of all of this – I recently realised that the anger I have for men in general might be the cause for the toxicity I experience in my love life.

    I don’t think I have ever accepted who my father truly is and I often feel that he doesn’t love me or care about me because sometimes, when I’m excited to tell him about a part of my life, he shuts me down and tells me to tell him later, because he’d rather watch TV at that moment.

    My opinion of men in general is very bleak. This is based on my father and grandfathers and the fact that they are all very traditional and expect women to do everything and hardly put in effort outside of their workplace. It is also based on my past ‘failed’ relationships and the disappointment I have felt with my partners when my first love chose his ex-girlfriend over me, and my last boyfriend basically gave up on our relationship because it was too much work.

    Now here are my questions…

    Is there a link between the relationship with my father and my love life?

    How do I heal my relationship with my father?

    I really would like to accept him as who he is and forgive him and move on. I think that is the only way I can move on from having such a negative outlook on men – I feel like they are useless and I’m very sorry about this. I do have male friends and love them too, but once there are romantic feelings involved – I am scared for myself. I of course would like to receive romantic love, however I am too scared of being disappointed by a loved one again. I don’t want to deal with that pain.

    I notice that I am open to love and I love love. However, as soon as a man doesn’t meet my expectations or does something to upset me, I can turn on them in a second and I’m filled with rage – I think this rage I feel is the anger that has been building up inside of me for the past couple of years in my love life. I don’t think I have forgiven my ex either. 

    I am sorry if I have offended anyone with my view towards men. This is obviously something I want to fix, badly.

    Thank you for your input,

    RoseQ

    #270045
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi RoseQ,

    If I had to work 12 hour days, I would not be myself at all! What I would do is consider my father as a “Provider Dad” during the days that he works. Meaning, don’t bug him! I know that sounds horrible, but some people don’t have the capacity to interact with others after a grueling day.

    It sounds like he is also locked in this Traditional Role. Maybe have a family meeting. Does he have to work 12 hour days? Can you guys move to a smaller house? Can you and the rest of the family chip in? Can he find a job that’s only 8 hours? Can he work 12 hours but only on certain days?

    What I would do is interact with him more on the Holidays! “Fun Dad” might bond with you during those times. Who knows?

    Be careful not to blame everything on your parents. Regarding the boys, sometimes boys are just clueless.

    Best,

    Inky

    #270087
    GL
    Participant

    Dear RoseQ,

    From infancy to adulthood, “parents” are the first point of touch for children. To children, they are our role models, sometimes heroes, but most importantly, our nurturer. From “parents”, children learn how to act, how to speak and their roles in the family and society. How a parent might view their children is completely up for debate, but it is a certain fact that parents have certain expectations of their children and since children are quite perceptive, they unconsciously would try to meet those expectations, even if they don’t know why.

    Your grief seem to lie in your father’s teachings. Since young, you’ve been told a version of ‘children are to be seen, but not heard.’ Even when all you’ve wanted to do was share good news, your father was dismissive, though understandable, but still isolating all the same. And it seem that your love languages lean toward words of affirmation and quality time so it was all the more cutting for the young you. At the same time, you were taught that ‘traditional’ women had a place at home, but not really anywhere else and that didn’t really sit well with you later on. But that was what you were exposed to and that scene of the the traditional man and the traditional woman was ‘normal’ in your eyes as a child.

    Your first contact with men began with your father and your father passed on the image of a man who had little time for his family, only smiling and laughing during the holidays, but even then. He passed on the image of a man who worked outside the house, but took little responsibility for household work for man and woman had different roles. He passed on the image of a man who was emotionally distant from his family. That was your first image of men and that was your ‘normal’, but it didn’t sit well with you. Yet it was also an expectation from your father.

    Many children try very hard to please their nurturer by trying to meet their expectations, but if the expectations clash with the child’s expectations for themselves, there will be tension on how the child look at the world and their place in it. And that tension usually act up in their relationships in some way.

    Your anger seem to begin with your father’s expectations for you, as a girl, to your expectations for yourselves. As your father’s daughter, you wish to fulfilled his expectation for you because you wish for his approval, but to do so would go against who you are as a person. You want to be enough, but you also question whether you are enough. So you get angry at men because, according to your father’s teachings, men have authority and power while women should be supporting them without complaining of equal standing in an intimate relationship. So maybe you feel hopeless, or that you have little say in who or what you are. You don’t feel in control.

    But here’s the thing, when you feel angry at men for simply being men, you are giving them the agency to dictate your feelings about them. You are giving them the power to tell you that you should be angry at them for being men, for their existence means that you have little value outside of the house, especially in an intimate setting. That anger will show itself in some way and your partners will feel it. Even if on the surface everything might seem fine, the undercurrent of tension is real and they will feel it in the minuscule way you interact with them. Humans have very good instinct, pity not many trust themselves enough to trust their instinct. But anger is very tiring to feel from someone you have affection for. If you can’t handle anger from your partner, could they handle yours at them? Though whether your partner is mature enough to actually work with you on your anger issue is another matter.

    If you are angry, it’s fine to be angry at your father, after all, he was the one to teach you that you matter more in the house doing housework than outside, but when you get angry at every other men, you give them the agency to decide what you feel about them rather than you choosing for yourselves how you feel about every individual men you might meet in your lifetime. You haven’t met them nor do you know much about them yet you have already decided you don’t really like them because they are men. And because you don’t want to be disappointed, but also have not release your bleak expectations of men, you might choose partners that will fulfilled your expectations because it’s easier to be disappointed in something you know well, that you know will happen, then expect something better from your partner. It’s a bleak cycle.

    So be angry at your father. It might have been his father teaching him such expectations that he pushed such expectations on you, but whether he considered such expectations were for your sake or his, is up for debate. Of course, he’s human, but so are you. And if your human self is angry at him, then be angry at him.

    But you will have to release the expectation that your father will change, he will only change when he feels that he should. He is who he is and it is his decision as it is your decision right now to be who you are. Certainly, your father has his expectations of you, but in the end, he is not you and unless you decide to give him control over your life, you will be the one to decide how your life will go. Don’t expect him to think himself wrong in the matter of raising you, he did what he was taught from your grandfather and that’s that. You can’t expect more than he is willing to give. You’ll have to accept that he is how he is right now and go from there.

    Also, go find someone whom you can talk about all this. Find someone who will listen and objectively list all the things you’ve said, but it’s not about giving advice. It’s about you looking at the matter at the heart of it and to start from there. You are angry and disappointed and hurt. Find someplace safe to let it all out, to let yourself feel and acknowledge those emotions. Don’t rationalized your feelings and don’t let the fact that he’s your father or he’s your ex to keep you from feeling anger or disappointment or something along those lines. Emotions will suck when it suck, but there’s the hope of feeling the other side once your emotions stop sucking.

    Every children inherit something from their childhood environments, the good and bad, though it would seem that the bad is more memorable. You have yours and you have your thoughts and feelings about it, but in the end, you have the choice of agency over your actions.

    Have hope. With every search, it will be a long journey so let yourself be human and accept that others are human and you’ll find people out there who will choose to be human with you.

    Good luck.

    #270235
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear RoseQ:

    I think that if a child has one  healthy relationship with one parent,  that child is very fortunate and is likely to have healthy adult relationships. Women often look at their father as the reason for failed relationships with men, because the father is a male and the men are males, same  gender.

    The reasons for failed relationships with men in adulthood can be about who the  men are that you happen to get involved with; it can be about your relationship with any adult in your home  of origin and  it can be about a troubled relationship with one’s mother.

    anita

     

     

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