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  • #270945
    Anonymous
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    Dear afeels:

    Good to read from you!

    Sexuality is not a part of us that is separate from our  overall emotional development through our childhoods and on.

    You must have  observed how young children play in the playground, running and screaming, full of joy. You don’t see adults acting that way because we all disassociate to one  degree or another, we all feel less excited much of the time and so, we act… mature, not like children.

    Many children who grow up with an aggressive parent or otherwise  unloving parents, feeling alone and lonely, disassociate more than others. The child, overwhelmed by hurt, fear and  even anger toward a parent, feels too much, more than she can endure, so she  automatically and naturally disassociates, gets numb, feel the minimum  possible. Not  only hurt, fear and anger  get minimized but also joy, hope, curiosity, the desire to explore, and so on. All forms of excitation get minimized and the child becomes  depressed.

    You are one  of those  children who significantly disassociated. Fast forward, you wonder why as a young woman, “with men I am dating I will feel attraction and then the attraction goes away in an instant and it confuses me. For example, I will  kiss a guy in a bar surrounded  by people and feel desire and attraction but once  we are  alone the desire is gone”-

    what  happens is that the excitation of sexual desire is normally numb, but not  entirely gone. It gets awakened at times but it  doesn’t stay because the disassociation has  been established long ago, in childhood. Disassociated, the brain/body rejects all excitations. If we feel  it, it doesn’t last, the numbing is automatic.

    It is not that you are heterosexual or homosexual or bisexual-  it is  that you are  disassociated. See the difference?

    anita

     

    #270973
    afeels
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    Hi Anita,

    Thanks for your reply. I see that this could be disassociation and I had a very rough childhood I’ll admit, which meant as a kid I didn’t explore much or play. Actually it wasn’t until my teens where I remained in school for the whole duration (I moved around a lot from my years 0-12) that I actively started ‘playing’. The thing is sexuality wasn’t part of that exploration and I can remember at 17 feeling sexual attraction excitement but also deep dread. I guess this dread was a fear of feeling things? I’m unsure…

    everytime i explore now now I feel a lot of guilt and shame. What do you recommend for me to work through my disassociation? Do I give up on dating for a while or …?

    #270977
    afeels
    Participant

    As well, I forgot to mention; if I am disassociated why do I feel all these negative emotions (anxiety, crying) everyday?

     

    Many thanks for for your insight and taking time to respond to me

    #270979
    Anonymous
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    Dear afeels:

    There is more to the issue of sexuality than disassociation, there is also the shame that was communicated to you by your parents: there  is the natural desire of a child to be approved by one’s parents, and therefore to feel shame  for experiencing sexual feelings and  guilty for feeling those and for engaging  in sexual activity.

    There is the reality that certain sexual acts feel good regardless of who performs it, male, female or a robot.and therefore pleasure derived from a particular sexual act that can be performed by female or male, is not an indication of sexual  orientation.

    To add to the complexity, there is that pornographic industry and  a person who is  heterosexual can experience sexual stimulation by watching homosexual activities. and still be  heterosexual.

    It will take time for you and I to communicate about this complex  issue and I am willing. It  will be days and weeks, and we can take our time examining this issue, no rush.

    I would recommend that you do avoid sexual activity for a while but do aim at a relationship with a man that does  not  involve sexual activity, if such a man exists who is interested!

    I think that your healing, emotionally in  general and sexually in particular, is likely to  happen in the context of a healthy relationship  with a man who  is  honest, trustworthy, and committed to you. So might as well aim at such a relationship  first, no sex for a long while as you get to know each other.

    anita

     

    #270981
    Anonymous
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    Dear afeels:

    Regarding your second post that I just noticed, you are welcome. My  answer to your question: “if  I am disassociated why do  I feel all these negative emotions (anxiety, crying) everyday?”-

    because severe disassociation is meant  to be effective temporarily, not long term.  It is not effective long  term. It  is not the emotions themselves are minimized in the process of disassociation. It is our awareness of those emotions that is  minimized, but  the  emotions keep coming  up again and again and reek havoc in our lives, from  physical illness to neurological disorders and  otherwise dysfunctional lives.

    Healing  is about gently and gradually becoming aware and being  able to endure the excitation without shutting down soon after every excitation.

    anita

    #270983
    afeels
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thanks for your reply.

    The funniest thing is I don’t think I am able to achieve a relationship with a man that is good, caring and committed without sex! I just don’t see it happening in my age group or where I live (Huge cosmopolitan city) where every young person naturally wants to move to sex very quickly. I have experienced men rushing me and it just heightens my anxiety.

    I have had experiences of being with a man and sensually touching him and feeling a lot of desire. The next day I felt so much guilt for doing so, even though the guy enjoyed it as much as I did.

    Ive also had experiences whereby I flirt with men that I don’t realise I’m attracted to until I start flirting and then looking back I realise perhaps I felt desire for these men but had no knowledge of doing so?

    Im unsure, like you say it will probably take a lot of time to untangle.

    *sigh* I just hate that I’m very confused

    #270985
    afeels
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    ‘Healing  is about gently and gradually becoming aware and being  able to endure the excitation without shutting down soon after every excitation’

    Wow this has given me a lot to think about, thank you kindly

    #270993
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear afeels:

    You are welcome. Don’t let a man rush you to sexual activity, doesn’t matter where you live and doesn’t matter the hook up mentality and practice. There has  to be a man who is an exception to this practice, and  might as well find that one man… all you need is that one man, just one.

    anita

    #271065
    afeels
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    Apologies if I am bombarding you with too much, but upon refection I wonder if a relationship with a man would be unfair to the man if I am unclear about my own sexual orientation?

    What do you think? I feel bad when interacting with men as my trust issues tend to ensure that I treat men a lot more harshly than I treat other women, and I dislike hurting men and would want to prevent future patterns of doing so.

     

    #271123
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear  afeels:

    You are not bombarding me. Like I wrote before, this topic is complex, so  I expect  my communication with you to take time, it can’t be  rushed, so little by  little.

    You wrote: “I wonder if a relationship with a man would be unfair to  the man if  I am unclear about  my own sexual  orientation?”- I can answer this general question with  a general answer, problem is that I know some specifics of your situation that  makes such a general question and answer irrelevant-

    You wrote: “I have never had a relationship… I still maintain that hook ups aren’t  for me and I need a certain amounts of trust/emotional intimacy before I can have sex with a person”, on one hand.

    But on the other hand, you wrote: “So I started dating and it’s been a rollercoaster… I have only had oral sex with a few of the men I have dated… with the men I am dating I will feel  attraction and then the attraction goes away in an instant and it confuses me. For example, I will kiss a guy in a bar  surrounded  with people and feel desire and attraction but once we are alone the desire is gone”.

    This means that even though you believe that hookups aren’t for you and that you need trust first, you have proceeded to be  engaged in hookups and you do have sex with men without trust. You met men in bars, reads to me, and proceeded to go home with them, having sex.

    This means that this issue of  hookups (sex first, no trust, no relationship first) vs trust  and relationships has to be  settled first. What relevance would there be in letting a man know about your sexual orientation if there is no relationship?

    *The only way for you to  be unfair to a hookup partner is to  not  let him know that you have an STD and endangering his health this  way. I can’t think of any other fairness requirement. Can you?

    anita

    #271171
    afeels
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I’ve been trying to think of it and I do not know of any other fairness requirement other than the STD thing, which luckily for me is not an issue.

    To clarify I have ‘hooked up’ with someone I met at a bar once and it was such an uncomfortable, and hollow experience for me that I stopped mid way. The other men I have engaged with I have met on 1-3 dates, but looking back that is way too fast to me and feels similar to ‘hook up’ aka no real trust/ emotional intimacy established.

    I am interested in dating men again, but I realise that I have in the past failed to establish my needs- that is emotional intimacy/ trust before sex. It is all so new to me that I guess I have rushed the process looking back and also somewhat feared rejection. As well I find it hard to be vulnerable enough to admit that I am a person who needs time and is uncertain of how long that time will take for fear that there is something wrong with me/ that opening up in this way will make the man reject me. But I have realised if they run away then it is better I know sooner rather than later. I think it is the vulnerability that scares me. To show myself completely, and to let someone near enough terrifies me and this ties so much into the issue of sex as well.

    You have given me a lot to think about, and hopefully I can report back to you further about this.

    Kind regards.

    #271239
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear afeels:

    “I have rushed the  process”-  if you desire a relationship with a  man, than you rushed and missed the following:

    * Sharing with a man what  you think, feel, what you hope for, what you want, what motivates you and listening to him share the same.

    * Learning about him in different contexts  such as seeing him in  the  context of his family, seeing him when he is disappointed or angry, how does  he act? When the two of you have a conflict, what  happens next?

    * Can you trust  him to  be on your side, to have your best interest at heart; do you have his best  interest in your heart, and can the two  of you operate as a team, helping each  other be better people, calmer, more content and more functional?

    You rushed through  time so each man in your life has been a stranger, someone you just met.

    I hope to read more  from you when you are able and willing.

    anita

     

    #271455
    GL
    Participant

    Excuse me for butting in, but I was wondering, did something happened in your childhood, afeels, that make unavailable men attractive to you? Or some kind of trauma that branded a strong impression on you? And is that where your trust issues in men stemmed from?

    I’m sorry about your friend JJ, but the thing is, he might be one of those people who flirt for fun, who sees flirting as a game more than a indication of romantic leaning. That, or he’s the sort of person whose gets his validation from people relying and depending on him, much of what you seemed to have done with him as a friend. But that’s only speculations because I don’t know him, but it doesn’t seem that you’ve put away that particular history of yours. What made you mention him in your post, as compare to the other men you’ve dated? And what was it about him that let you opened your eyes?

    Also, there’s a possibility that you’re demisexual or something along those lines. Someone who identifies as demisexual doesn’t see sex as a necessary thing in a relationship. Rather, they want an emotional connection with their potential partner before rolling in the sheets, well, if ever. Of course, a demisexual person can find people physically attractive, but they don’t really developed sexual attraction until they feel they are in a mutually comfortable relationship with respect and open communications with their partner. But the thing is, you don’t have to determine your sexuality, sexuality is actually quite fluid so what is attractive now might not be attractive in five years. Determine what you like as of now, but don’t set that as a rigid rule for the future. Also, it would be best to research some key points on sexuality and its explorations because going in blind isn’t always helpful.

    About the sex guilt, that’s something you should go over with your counselor. Your feeling of guilt of performing any sexual deeds stemmed from your family’s teachings that being sexual is bad, especially if you’re a female and you’ve been carrying that teachings into your adulthood. You haven’t cast away the guilt, but as long as the guilt is there, sex will always be something that you might desired, but also something bad to do. And that will make sex torture or boring or scary. That will induce anxiety about sex.

    Now, have you developed healthy boundaries for yourself? There are many kind of boundaries and they help you defined who you are as a person as you currently are. It also help you decide what you will hold yourself responsible for and what you will not. Without any form of boundaries, you tend to let other people dictate your actions regardless of your thoughts. There’s a book called Boundaries by Henry Cloud and John Townsend that can get you started. Your counselor can also give you suggestions.

    It seems you’re still dealing with your anxiety and that’s no walk in the park and it’s not something that goes away with time. But you haven’t given up hope for yourself and that’s encouraging. You are still searching for yourself, though that’s a journey until death, so take a deep breath and encourage yourself to walk at your own pace. You are probably pressured from those around you to what you see in the media that you need to have your whole self figured out by the time you reached 30, but that could not be further from the truth. If you had yourself drawn and laminated by the age of 30, then where’s the space to grow and learn by the age of 40, 50 and beyond? People change and there’s so much to do in today’s society so why limit yourself? But done at your own pace. After all, you only have this life, why not live on your own terms?

    Good luck.

    #271509
    afeels
    Participant

     

    Dear Anita,

    Thanks for the response, I will take on board that these things take time. I hope to update soon. For now I will keep working on myself.

     

     

     

     

     

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    #271523
    afeels
    Participant

    Dear GL

    You’re correct in wondering whether my childhood ties into why I find unavailable men attractive. My father  left the family when I was 12 years old. This ties into my trust issues with men. The reason that I mention JJ is because I realised that I only could acknowledge feelings that were already existent for him once he became unavailable. We were friends for three years before I acknowledged my feelings, and looking back there had been signs all along. He is also the first man that I have been the most emotionally vulnerable with and that was a powerful experience for me.

    I started dating after the JJ incident because I could see that I needed to get to know new men and try to experience love and sex in a way that wasn’t going to be hurtful for me and that dating would help me explore myself more in a way.  But it seems to me that I just end up self sabotaging all these dates anyway … this is why I also am questioning my sexuality. Because surely if I am excited by the men I date/ attracted why do I do this? And why does my excitement feel  nuanced, uncertain  and more mild? I was used to feeling intoxicating attraction with different men earlier on when I wasn’t dating. Why when men are further away can I feel the full extent to my attraction. Anxiety likely doesn’t help the process, but my anxiety makes me wander if there is more to the issue than trust issues and actually a larger question of my sexuality.

    Regarding JJ and flirting behaviour- you are probably right, he might just be a person who flirts for fun. Actually he had a previous female friend of ours fall for him and they no longer speak so maybe he might learn from both experiences that flirting with your friends isn’t such a good idea.? I also should have learnt from that past experience, having seen another woman go through the same thing. At the time with our mutual friend however, he definitely knew she had feelings and attempted to thwart her efforts at establishing dates etc, so I really do not buy that he had no idea of my feelings. He is cleverer than that. Or maybe I am really good at concealing my feelings, who knows. I just am still a little bitter clearly and feel misled, rightly or wrongly.

    I actually do think I’m on the field of demisexuality, looking back attraction to me has always come after some interaction and established bond. I think the reason why my anxiety has attached to the issue of sexuality is because of how fluid sexuality can be. There is no certainty. And the more I date the more I realise this fact which in a way freaks me out. The sexual shame is something Im working on with my counsellor, I am very aware of where it comes from and  working on challenging it.

    I will check the book out that you suggested, thank you for the recommendation.

    As well, thanks for the encouraging words, I think I have only started the journey of trying to find myself, maybe that’s why the anxiety is so strong. I was extremely co-dependent until very recently and struggle with  a sense of self due to my abusive/neglectful childhood. But you’re right I do have hope and I hope that it takes me to new levels of discovery, joy and challenges.

    Kind regards

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