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  • #411909
    Anonymous
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    Good night, Joanna! I am just about to go on my walk, I will tell you about it and reply further Sat morning.

    anita

    #412054
    Joanna
    Participant

    Anita, Thank you for the note. I hope you’re well and enjoying your weekend. 🙂

    #412065
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joanna:

    I apologize! I just realized a moment ago that I did not get back to you yesterday. What happened yesterday, now that I am looking back, is that I saw my name as the last one who submitted a post in your thread and I thought it was a full reply, so I waited for you to post next. Also, I was preoccupied with studying another thread and it exhausted me. I am sorry, Joanna!

    And now, to your post of a day and a half ago: thank you for the virtual treat from your work chocolate box (I like how the chocolate melts in my mouth.. my favorite way to have chocolate is to have it melted first, then poor it hot on cake .. or better yet, on cold ice-cream.. or better yet, on cake and ice-cream).

    Yesterday I went for a 3 km walk (did not feel like it, it was freezing, snowing, already dark after 4 pm but I had to go to get the parcel) and thought for a moment about how you shared details from your walks. I even took some pictures, it was a nice and refreshing“- good to read this, maybe you can walk again today, but earlier than 4 pm, when it’s still light out. I will think of you on my walk today (it gets totally dark here by 5 pm)!

    * You are 9 hours ahead of me, so it’s Sun 6:16 pm where you are at, as I submit this post.

    anita

    #412077
    Joanna
    Participant

    Anita, It’s totally fine, I saw your note and then I just thought you will probably reply soon.

    good to read this, maybe you can walk again today, but earlier than 4 pm, when it’s still light out. I will think of you on my walk today

    On Friday I was meaning to post “How about we think of each other once or twice during our walk, it would be like walking together” but did not eventually post it, and today you wrote this, so nice of you and thank you.

    I am planning to spend more time outside and take daily walks as I will have a week off from work now. Maybe it will become my routine, couple of times a week at least.

    You are 9 hours ahead of me, so it’s Sun 6:16 pm where you are at

    That’s correct. At this moment 11:40 PM.

     

     

    #412081
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joanna:

    I just came back from a walk,  the usual 3.5 miles, and I said your name as I walked on the fresh crunchy snow! Good night precious Joanna (I hope you are sleeping now, it being way after midnight).

    anita

    #412165
    Joanna
    Participant

    Anita,

    I said your name as I walked on the fresh crunchy snow!

    very nice and cute and.. magic 🙂 On my walk I thought: I wonder if you get lost in thoughts just like I do sometimes, or are you often mindful and observant.

    Although I must admit ever since I live here meditation and mindfulness is easier. Years ago it was exhausting trying to focus for 2 minutes. Minute or two of meditating was a success. Now I can sit on the balcony for a long time, look at the park, birds, trees without overthinking.

    I think I will be sharing some thoughts tomorrow.

    Looking at the time, it’s past 12 at your place. Have a good day, Anita.

    #412170
    Joanna
    Participant

    Good night precious Joanna

    how beautifully written. I very much admire your kindhearted way of being, Anita.

    #412173
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joanna:

    On my walk I thought: I wonder if you get lost in thoughts just like I do sometimes, or are you often mindful and observant“- always have been heavily lost in thoughts, so much so, that I couldn’t describe to you the basics of what I walked through. What I saw, heard and felt was all happening in between my two ears. What was happening outside of my brain.. was lost to me. I think that I made progress in this regard, but progress from the extremes of inattentiveness is not objectively impressive, meaning: I would still be a bad eye (and ear) witness to an accident, let’s say.. couldn’t tell what cars would be involved, what make, what color, whether a vehicle was a car or a truck..  what happened, etc.

    Ever since I live here meditation and mindfulness is easier… Years ago it was exhausting trying to focus for 2 minutes. Minute or two of meditating was a success. Now I can sit on the balcony for a long time, look at the park, birds, trees without overthinking“- I recently came across scientific information (in the National Library of Medicine) about how emotional trauma, such as in childhood, literally damages/ injures the brain, causing “dendritic atrophy“: a wasting away of neurons in the brain.

    So, it is not only physical injury (i.e., being hit, falling, viral infections) that injures the brain, but emotional injury as well. It is not surprising to me, because like my 2011-13 therapist used to say: “Everything is Physical“. When as a child you are overly stressed for way too long, the stress hormones themselves (hormones are physical) injure the brain! (The good news is that some healing can be done because of neuroplasticity).

    how beautifully written. I very much admire your kindhearted way of being“- thank you, Joanna, this is kindhearted of you to say!

    I think I will be sharing some thoughts tomorrow. Looking at the time, it’s past 12 at your place. Have a good day, Anita“- have a good night, Joanna. I am  looking forward to read from you tomorrow. Signing out Mon, 1:07 pm: 10:07 pm your time, good night!

    anita

    #412193
    Joanna
    Participant

    Hello Anita,

    always have been heavily lost in thoughts, so much so, that I couldn’t describe to you the basics of what I walked through. What I saw, heard and felt was all happening in between my two ears. What was happening outside of my brain.. was lost to me. I think that I made progress in this regard, but progress from the extremes of inattentiveness is not objectively impressive, meaning: I would still be a bad eye (and ear) witness to an accident, let’s say.. couldn’t tell what cars would be involved, what make, what color, whether a vehicle was a car or a truck..  what happened, etc.

    I can relate to this so much. I think the fact that you have made any progress from extremes of inattentiveness is impressive. I know how difficult it is and how much work it requires.

    I remember first being attentive in very early childhood, and with time it worsened. When I got a new doll and a new desk, I looked at it from every perspective, knew the colors, the texture, being very much engaged in every thing that I had in my room. With time I lost any interest in all that. Fantasies overtook me.

    emotional trauma, such as in childhood, literally damages/ injures the brain, causing “dendritic atrophy“: a wasting away of neurons in the brain.

    When as a child you are overly stressed for way too long, the stress hormones themselves injure the brain!

    I googled it and saw the video and pictures explaining. Thank you for sharing this, Anita.

    This really saddens me. How abuse changes/destroys a person forever. I always thought my memory issues are due to genetics or not training memory enough.

    I have constant elevated cortisol levels. I visited doctors but they say it is how it is. Maybe the reason is that I get scared every day, for example when I hear a phone ringing I get this weird feeling in my stomach, like adrenaline rush but in a bad way. Similar when people approaching me, etc.

    When I think of this feeling of fear I have several memories when I was the most scared in my childhood. . I am still not ready to process some of them, although I may have mentioned one here on this thread and once with a psychiatrist I was seeing. Maybe I will describe it here soon for processing purpose.

    Last week I found my notes from 2017/18. I took them so that I would not forget. Most of them were similar: “my mother is lying on bed looking as if she was suffering.. with her eyes closed, her hand covering her eyes dramatically … sighing.. ” “again she is on her bed, 5 pm, in her pyjamas, she did not eat, did not turn on tv, lying with her eyes closed… only because I asked her day before what have I ever done to you?!” …”I woke up in the middle of the night and went to bathroom, she was there, sitting, wasn’t moving.. I asked what are you doing here? She didn’t respond. I touched her and asked again. Again no reply. I was scared”  “She came back from work, I was in the kitchen, she passed me like I wasn’t there. I asked whether she wanted soup. No response. Now she is lying on the bed, sighing. Sometimes I feel I am going crazy.”

    I took those notes and even I took a picture of her lying on the bed so that I knew it really happened and I was not crazy. I still have this picture.

    I noticed a lot of things, still realizing some of them. How I was emotionally addicted to certain emotions because of her. Emotions through which I could connect with her, like anger. Whenever she was angry/not speaking to me I could start complaining at something/someone and she would get angry-excited, speaking to me again. That worked only sometimes of course but still.. those were moments I saw she was.. alive and present again, therefore.. I was too. I gave up addition to this feeling, it was hard because I had to let it out this anger somewhere, I was so used to this emotion. I still try not to get caught up in angry venting, reliving bad situations that happen to me. It gets easier.

    I realized how different voice and face expression I made when I was with her (children-like, pleasant voice – this, similar as my tic, was a shield from her anger).

    I see it’s almost 6 am your time. 2:54 here. Looking forward to read your response Anita.

    #412196
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joanna:

    I woke up and was up and about way too early this morning! “I think the fact that you have made any progress from extremes of inattentiveness is impressive“- thank you!

    I remember first being attentive in very early childhood, and with time it worsened. When I got a new doll and a new desk, I looked at it from every perspective, knew the colors, the texture, being very much engaged in everything that I had in my room. With time I lost any interest in all that. Fantasies overtook me“- I don’t have any memory of myself when I was very young, but I bet I was attentive too… before I withdrew into my own head, lost in thoughts or in fantasy.

    This really saddens me. How abuse changes/destroys a person forever. I always thought my memory issues are due to genetics or not training memory enough“- I too blamed myself for my cognitive dysfunctions while all along, those were the result of brain injury that was inflicted on me. And I know that my healing is and will be partial (but that’s good enough for me!)

    I have constant elevated cortisol levels. I visited doctors but they say it is how it is. Maybe the reason is that I get scared every day, for example when I hear a phone ringing I get this weird feeling in my stomach, like adrenaline rush but in a bad way. Similar when people approaching me, etc.“-

    – Cortisol is a steroid hormone. It increases the amount of glucose (sugar) in the blood. One of the causes listed in Wikipedia for acute or chronic hyperglycemia (too much sugar in the blood) is “excessive stress“, and three of the symptoms listed are fatigue, restlessness, and “abnormal movements“, abnormal, involuntary movements! Also, “cortisol stimulates gastric-acid secretion“, which perhaps explains the weird feeling in your stomach.

    aviv clinics. com: “Cortisol and Cognition: How the stress hormone affects the brain, by Aaron Tibby MS physiologist, Nov 8, 2022… High chronic stress and cortisol can negatively harm the body. You may notice changes in cognition–whether it is attentional challenges, slowed processing, poor memory, word recall, or simply muddled thinking… The effects of stress on the brain includes functional atrophy of the HPA, hippocampus, amygdala, and the frontal lobe.

    Functional atrophy means that the brain is losing neurons and connectivity between those neurons. This can impair brain functions such as thought processing, memory, and emotional regulation… Research indicates long-term high cortisol levels are linked to reduced hippocampal volume… below are just a few consequences of high cortisol levels on the brain: * The amygdala, hippocampus, and prefrontal cortex are the most affected areas of the brain. Together, they control emotions, learning, memory, executive function, and decision-making… * Over-exposure to cortisol can kill off brain cells. The hippocampus volume is also lower for people with chronic stress, elevated cortisol levels, and depression”.

    When I think of this feeling of fear I have several memories when I was the most scared in my childhood. I am still not ready to process some of them, although I may have mentioned one here on this thread and once with a psychiatrist I was seeing. Maybe I will describe it here soon for processing purpose“- if and when you are ready, please do. I will probably follow your example and do the same.

    “Last week I found my notes from 2017/18. I took them so that I would not forget. Most of them were similar: “my mother is lying on bed looking as if she was suffering.. with her eyes closed, her hand covering her eyes dramatically … sighing..  ‘again she is on her bed, 5 pm, in her pajamas, she did not eat, did not turn on tv, lying with her eyes closed… only because I asked her day before what have I ever done to you?!” …’I woke up in the middle of the night and went to bathroom, she was there, sitting, wasn’t moving.. I asked what are you doing here? She didn’t respond. I touched her and asked again. Again no reply. I was scared’  ‘She came back from work, I was in the kitchen, she passed me like I wasn’t there. I asked whether she wanted soup. No response. Now she is lying on the bed, sighing. Sometimes I feel I am going crazy.’ I took those notes and even I took a picture of her lying on the bed so that I knew it really happened and I was not crazy“-

    – Can you explain to me what you mean by going crazy, in the context of seeing her lying there again and again?

    I noticed a lot of things, still realizing some of them. How I was emotionally addicted to certain emotions because of her. Emotions through which I could connect with her, like anger. Whenever she was angry/not speaking to me I could start complaining at something/someone and she would get angry-excited, speaking to me again“- I think that for the purpose of connecting with my mother who gossiped A LOT about everyone, I provided her with gossip, wherever I could.. or encouraged her gossip, so to be able to have a.. commonality with her, something to have a friendly conversation about, to be.. like friends gossiping about a 3rd party.

    I realized how different voice and face expression I made when I was with her“- what do you mean, specifically?

    anita

    #412251
    Joanna
    Participant

    Anita, Thank you for message.

    I will be responding today evening. Almost 1pm now here.

    Have a pleasant walk today 🙂

    #412259
    Anonymous
    Guest

    You are welcome and thank you, precious Joanna. It is 8:24 pm your time: if you are tired or busy, it’s okay to for you to reply tomorrow: whenever you feel like it!

    anita

    #412300
    Joanna
    Participant

    Anita, Thank you for being understanding. Although I was not that busy, just needed to be focused and I was a bit nervous earlier before going to the vet with my cat.

    I don’t have any memory of myself when I was very young, but I bet I was attentive too… before I withdrew into my own head, lost in thoughts or in fantasy.

    I too blamed myself for my cognitive dysfunctions while all along, those were the result of brain injury that was inflicted on me. And I know that my healing is and will be partial (but that’s good enough for me!)

    I was thinking today while walking in the park, my usual place for taking a walk..looking at the trees, feeling the cold air, trying to be attentive and see, feel, hear… How would it be have we not experienced the trauma.. I see how people react, pay attention, I know I am different. I wonder how it is, what possibilities can person have after having healthy upbringing. I felt anger at my parents, my mother for putting me through this. But then I thought about what you wrote “I know that my healing is and will be partial (but that’s good enough for me!)”and it felt so nice, so positive. The way it should feel. I felt acceptance for myself. I need to remind myself anger should not be directed at myself.

    aviv clinics. com: “Cortisol and Cognition: How the stress hormone affects the brain… attentional challenges, slowed processing, poor memory, word recall, or simply muddled thinking… The effects of stress on the brain includes functional atrophy of the HPA, hippocampus, amygdala, and the frontal lobe.

    “Functional atrophy means that the brain is losing neurons and connectivity between those neurons. This can impair brain functions such as thought processing, memory, and emotional regulation… Research indicates long-term high cortisol levels are linked to reduced hippocampal volume… below are just a few consequences of high cortisol levels on the brain: * The amygdala, hippocampus, and prefrontal cortex are the most affected areas of the brain. Together, they control emotions, learning, memory, executive function, and decision-making… * Over-exposure to cortisol can kill off brain cells. The hippocampus volume is also lower for people with chronic stress, elevated cortisol levels, and depression”.

    That is probably the best description of my health and emotional/memory issues.

    “The amygdala, hippocampus, and prefrontal cortex are the most affected areas of the brain. Together, they control emotions, learning, memory“.

    I do seem to have problem with learning. I was always obsessed with knowing things, learning by heart, I felt bad I did not remember basic knowledge, people calling me out for this sometimes.

    Also I thought this was interesting:

    I remember reading this: “Trauma therapists assert that abuse experienced early in life can overwhelm the central nervous system, causing children to split off a painful memory from conscious awareness. They maintain that this psychological defense mechanism—known as dissociative amnesia—turns up routinely in the patients they encounter.” Not sure where I found it then but I googled today and it was on scientificamerican.com.

    I remember thinking “That’s why I have so little memories from childhood”. Still, it can be from daydreaming, living in fantasy world.

    Also I found this interesting, explains the process of trauma being stored in brain. It may not be groundbreaking knowledge but I find it fascinating.

    When a person experiences a traumatic event, adrenaline rushes through the body and the memory is imprinted into the amygdala, which is part of the limbic system. The amygdala holds the emotional significance of the event, including the intensity and impulse of emotion. 

    For example, if you’re on a roller coaster, your sensory information is “fear, speed, stress, excitement, not life-threatening.” The amygdala can read the emotional significance of the event as it’s a fun ride which you’ll be off in three minutes.  The amygdala stores the visual images of trauma as sensory fragments, which means the trauma memory is not stored like a story, rather by how our five senses were experiencing the trauma at the time it was occurring. The memories are stored through fragments of visual images, smells, sounds, tastes, or touch.

    Consequently, after trauma, the brain can easily be triggered by sensory input, reading normal circumstances as dangerous. For example, a red light is no longer a red light, now it’s a possible spark. A barbecue had been just a barbecue, but now it sounds like an explosion. The sensory fragments are misinterpreted and the brain loses its ability to discriminate between what is threatening and what is normal.

    if and when you are ready, please do. I will probably follow your example and do the same.

    Good to know, I feel encouraged!

    Can you explain to me what you mean by going crazy, in the context of seeing her lying there again and again?

    Every time she was in better mood and again speaking to me she was happy, excited, baked cookies, painted me a picture, bought me things..can’t remember what exactly but usually something she knew I had wanted like clothes.. or drove to the place I was giving lessons (teaching kids at their home) – one of them lived very away and I spent two hours or so in a bus/waiting for a bus – she made me a surprise couple of times- she drove there to give me a ride back home. It was all very confusing, I accepted this “help” and “forgot” she was not speaking to me the day before. That’s why I started writing all this. She made me look crazy, because she was so good to me, making all those surprises and giving me presents, I was denying the reality of the abuse, I did not think of it. One time when she was not speaking to me, (I think in high school) I was in my room, listening to a song, I think I was crying. She came and brought me a picture she painted. Said “Look what I painted for you, you liked this photo, didn’t you” and I immediately smiled and thanked her, took it from her. I wasn’t even sad anymore, I was so happy she finally spoke to me. I forgot and forgave her without thinking twice. No, she forgave me for whatever I hurt her.

    At this particular time 2017-18 the silent treatment was almost constant and less “good deeds” on her part but still she was excited and in a good mood out of the blue so that was very confusing. Overall I slept badly then, used to wake up shivering, I ate less and less, I think I weighed 45kg, I had obsessions. I now think I was not well emotionally and I knew that so I kept those notes of what was going on.

    I think that for the purpose of connecting with my mother who gossiped A LOT about everyone, I provided her with gossip, wherever I could.. or encouraged her gossip, so to be able to have a.. commonality with her, something to have a friendly conversation about, to be.. like friends gossiping about a 3rd party.

    I did exactly the same. It did seem like “commonality with her” indeed…finally, a connection. I, too, encouraged my mother to gossip together. She loved it. It started when I was 12. I am so ashamed of this, I gossiped on girl I was friends with. It led to me ending this friendship because I got so angry with her as a result of gossiping with my mother. However I am pretty sure my mother gossiped about me, I never heard it but her partner hated me and I heard him talking about me many times, and my mother too, like yours, gossiped about everyone. No one was safe. No friend, no family member.

    “I realized how different voice and face expression I made when I was with her“- what do you mean, specifically?

    I realized I used to do it to in her presence, especially when I was younger but later as well. It was a half smile, very pleasant facial expression and pleasant voice, not exaggerated, just enough to not be accused of having bad intentions. I think I learnt it when I was young (around 12yo) when she used to ask me everyday “What is wrong with you? Why are you angry/furious again?”. I knew I had to seem happy and nice for her, otherwise she will think I am angry at her. I guess it was a habit, I did not think of it. When I talked to her I tried to seem pleasant and nice so that she wouldn’t get the “wrong” impression: she was so fragile, her mood could change in a second and the reason could be my face expression.

    #412301
    Joanna
    Participant

    Posting again, edited the weird letters.

    Anita, Thank you for being understanding.  I was a bit nervous earlier before going to the vet with my cat and needed to be focused to write.

    I don’t have any memory of myself when I was very young, but I bet I was attentive too… before I withdrew into my own head, lost in thoughts or in fantasy.

    I too blamed myself for my cognitive dysfunctions while all along, those were the result of brain injury that was inflicted on me. And I know that my healing is and will be partial (but that’s good enough for me!)

    I was thinking today while walking in the park, my usual place for taking a walk..looking at the trees, feeling the cold air, trying to be attentive and see, feel, hear… How would it be have we not experienced the trauma.. I see how people react, pay attention, I know I am different. I wonder how it is, what possibilities can person have after having healthy upbringing. I felt anger at my parents, my mother for putting me through this. But then I thought about what you wrote “I know that my healing is and will be partial (but that’s good enough for me!)”and it felt so nice, so positive. The way it should feel. I felt acceptance for myself. I need to remind myself anger should not be directed at myself.

    aviv clinics. com: “Cortisol and Cognition: How the stress hormone affects the brain… attentional challenges, slowed processing, poor memory, word recall, or simply muddled thinking… The effects of stress on the brain includes functional atrophy of the HPA, hippocampus, amygdala, and the frontal lobe.

    “Functional atrophy means that the brain is losing neurons and connectivity between those neurons. This can impair brain functions such as thought processing, memory, and emotional regulation… Research indicates long-term high cortisol levels are linked to reduced hippocampal volume… below are just a few consequences of high cortisol levels on the brain: * The amygdala, hippocampus, and prefrontal cortex are the most affected areas of the brain. Together, they control emotions, learning, memory, executive function, and decision-making… * Over-exposure to cortisol can kill off brain cells. The hippocampus volume is also lower for people with chronic stress, elevated cortisol levels, and depression”.

    That is probably the best description of my health and emotional/memory issues.

    “The amygdala, hippocampus, and prefrontal cortex are the most affected areas of the brain. Together, they control emotions, learning, memory“.

    I do seem to have problem with learning. I was always obsessed with knowing things, learning by heart, I felt bad I did not remember basic knowledge, people calling me out for this sometimes.

    I remember reading this: “Trauma therapists assert that abuse experienced early in life can overwhelm the central nervous system, causing children to split off a painful memory from conscious awareness. They maintain that this psychological defense mechanism—known as dissociative amnesia—turns up routinely in the patients they encounter.” Not sure where I found it then but I googled today and it was on scientificamerican.com.

    I remember thinking “That’s why I have so little memories from childhood”. Still, it can be from daydreaming, living in fantasy world.

    Also I found this interesting, explains the process of trauma being stored in brain. It may not be groundbreaking knowledge but I find it fascinating.

    When a person experiences a traumatic event, adrenaline rushes through the body and the memory is imprinted into the amygdala, which is part of the limbic system. The amygdala holds the emotional significance of the event, including the intensity and impulse of emotion. 

    For example, if you’re on a roller coaster, your sensory information is “fear, speed, stress, excitement, not life-threatening.” The amygdala can read the emotional significance of the event as it’s a fun ride which you’ll be off in three minutes.  The amygdala stores the visual images of trauma as sensory fragments, which means the trauma memory is not stored like a story, rather by how our five senses were experiencing the trauma at the time it was occurring. The memories are stored through fragments of visual images, smells, sounds, tastes, or touch.

    Consequently, after trauma, the brain can easily be triggered by sensory input, reading normal circumstances as dangerous. For example, a red light is no longer a red light, now it’s a possible spark. A barbecue had been just a barbecue, but now it sounds like an explosion. The sensory fragments are misinterpreted and the brain loses its ability to discriminate between what is threatening and what is normal.

    if and when you are ready, please do. I will probably follow your example and do the same.

    Good to know, I feel encouraged!

    Can you explain to me what you mean by going crazy, in the context of seeing her lying there again and again?

    Every time she was in better mood and again speaking to me she was happy, excited, baked cookies, painted me a picture, bought me things..can’t remember what exactly but usually something she knew I had wanted like clothes.. or drove to the place I was giving lessons (teaching kids at their home) – one of them lived very away and I spent two hours or so in a bus/waiting for a bus – she made me a surprise couple of times- she drove there to give me a ride back home. It was all very confusing, I accepted this “help” and “forgot” she was not speaking to me the day before. That’s why I started writing all this. She made me look crazy, because she was so good to me, making all those surprises and giving me presents, I was denying the reality of the abuse, I did not think of it. One time when she was not speaking to me, (I think in high school) I was in my room, listening to a song, I think I was crying. She came and brought me a picture she painted. Said “Look what I painted for you, you liked this photo, didn’t you” and I immediately smiled and thanked her, took it from her. I wasn’t even sad anymore, I was so happy she finally spoke to me. I forgot and forgave her without thinking twice. No, she forgave me for whatever I hurt her.

    At this particular time 2017-18 the silent treatment was almost constant and less “good deeds” on her part but still she was excited and in a good mood out of the blue so that was very confusing. Overall I slept badly then, used to wake up shivering, I ate less and less, I think I weighed 45kg, I had obsessions. I now think I was not well emotionally and I knew that so I kept those notes of what was going on.

    I think that for the purpose of connecting with my mother who gossiped A LOT about everyone, I provided her with gossip, wherever I could.. or encouraged her gossip, so to be able to have a.. commonality with her, something to have a friendly conversation about, to be.. like friends gossiping about a 3rd party.

    I did exactly the same. It did seem like “commonality with her” indeed…finally, a connection. I, too, encouraged my mother to gossip together. She loved it. It started when I was 12. I am so ashamed of this, I gossiped on girl I was friends with. It led to me ending this friendship because I got so angry with her as a result of gossiping with my mother. However I am pretty sure my mother gossiped about me, I never heard it but her partner hated me and I heard him talking about me many times, and my mother too, like yours, gossiped about everyone. No one was safe. No friend, no family member.

    “I realized how different voice and face expression I made when I was with her“- what do you mean, specifically?

    I realized I used to do it to in her presence, especially when I was younger but later as well. It was a half smile, very pleasant facial expression and pleasant voice, not exaggerated, just enough to not be accused of having bad intentions. I think I learnt it when I was young (around 12yo) when she used to ask me everyday “What is wrong with you? Why are you angry/furious again?”. I knew I had to seem happy and nice for her, otherwise she will think I am angry at her. I guess it was a habit, I did not think of it. When I talked to her I tried to seem pleasant and nice so that she wouldn’t get the “wrong” impression: she was so fragile, her mood could change in a second and the reason could be my face expression.

    #412304
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joanna:

    I read parts of your post (I am not focused at this time and preparing for my walk), and again- particularly reading the part that starts with: “Every time she was in better mood”- I thought to myself: it is like we had the same mother, (and as a result)…the same person almost… sisters, I guess, so very much alike.

    I’ll reply further Thurs morning, it is now right after midnight your time, good night, sister!

    anita

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