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  • #280843
    Duderino
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    Hello,

    When I was approximately 15 months old my father passed away in a farming accident.

    Ultimately what I am hoping someone can provide me is perspective on how to cope and manage the lack of resolution that comes with my loss. I think that it would be a different situation if he willingly left, but this wasn’t his choice. It just happened. That has always made it harder to accept. All you can do is wonder really. Maybe the whole being completely out of my control is the real thing that bothers me. I’ve spent time reading and looking for resolution to my questions, but what I lack is the knowing of him. People can tell you all they want about someone, but that isn’t knowing a person. I’ve been able to sort of understand and handle my emotions better due to the time I’ve invested in understanding where they come from. But I hope someone else can empathize and maybe help.

    So to whomever reads this,

    Thank you for your time. Thank you for caring about others.

    #280923
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Duderino:

    You were 15 months old when your father died in a farming accident. I don’t suppose you have any memory of him, do you?

    “I’ve spent time reading and looking for resolution to my questions”- can you tell me what are these questions that you have, how long have you had them, and approximately, how old are you now?

    I need to be away from the computer for about sixteen hours and would like to read more from you when I am back. I hope other members reply to you before I am back.

    anita

    #281007
    Duderino
    Participant

    Dear Anita:

     

    I do not have any memory of him.  I’m in my mid 20’s currently.

    I’ve struggled with anxiety/depression/insomnia since I was approximately 15. Going to therapy never stuck (I’m stubborn, and can admit it haha) but I prefer finding my own answers to my questions. So when I wonder why were here as humans, and what our purpose as individuals may be, I read. Complete Conversations with God was the first book I read to really delve into my own understanding of reality. Then the Tao Te Ching, and The Alchemist, and then books on cognitive behavior therapy (and practice) have helped me in a big way. I just keep digging and trying to understand myself and what life is.

    I questioned my family about my father when I was younger (until approx 12), but it was always felt that it hurt them deeply, so I kinda stopped asking about him. I also realized that knowing about him isn’t what I wanted, I wanted to know him personally.

    I’ve kinda notice this manifest within my adult life with how personally I take other men’s (coworkers, family friends) opinions of me. I like who I am as a person, when I stop and think about it, but I can quickly start down a negative train of thought simply because I can’t get some other guy’s admiration/respect. I can make the connections with how this is all happening, but I just cannot think of the right way to manage those feelings.

    Sometimes I can understand the situation clearly, and know that there is nothing I can do. Sometimes I can’t get past that incomplete feeling I hold. I don’t want to forget about him or anything like that, I just don’t want to have this as a subconscious anchor, something I let hold me back because I have no control over it. I want to find a healthier place from how I react.

     

    Thank you.

    #281013
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Duderino:

    Am I correct in my understanding at this point, that you are a very intelligent, educated (self educated if not officially so), well read young man, very rational, cares a lot about making your own way in life, that is, thinking independently, not being told what to think; finding solutions to your problems, not handing your problems to a therapist to find the answers for you. You want to come up with the answers yourself, you trust yourself this way, not others.

    And the young boy in you need someone he can trust, not just anyone. And that someone you can trust, you think of that person as the father you don’t remember. The father who died in tragic circumstances when you were so very young, you imagine that he is the one person you could trust, if you had him in your life.

    Am I correct?

    anita

    #281029
    Duderino
    Participant

    Yeah that’s an accurate assessment of how I feel.

    I do have a lot of difficulty in trusting others. When I was younger and I tried opening up about this stuff to my peers (like children do), they used it to tease me. When I asked my family about him they would just say how much he loved me and cared about me but I didn’t really find out about his issues (similar to mine) and I created in my mind this image of perfection based on what they told me about him. Only the good stuff.

    Deep down I know that I have to fulfill the role I need, but it’s hard to let go of satisfying this imaginary image of perfection. I need to trust myself and live a life to fulfill myself and not someone else’s expectations/desires. That won’t leave me feeling satisfied. I struggle with trusting myself, maybe because I’m curious by nature and a wonder-er. But it leaves me second guessing.  I’ve spent most my life trying to mold myself in to a perfect person based off of speculation and what loved one’s tell me, and the uncertainty of being my own role model is daunting. It’s much easier to achieve goals that others set for me; much harder when I am the one who is setting the goals.

    I’ve also decided on another career path recently and will be leaving my family and girlfriend to pursue my own personal dream, the first true decision I’ve made without salary/societal/family expectations being the determining factor. This is also very uncertain. So again trusting is the root. But now I have to trust myself instead of fulfilling the role I made up when I was a kid.

    I’m not looking for answers per say, just perspective.

    Thank you for your kindness and time.

     

    #281049
    Mark
    Participant

    Duderino,

    A good therapist will help you deal with the sub/unconscious issues of not having a father growing up to give you a male role model.  I take it you did not have a male role model/mentor while growing up?  Uncle, teacher, etc.?  So without one, you became very self-sufficient and not trusting of others and even yourself.  You are in a quandary in finding your life’s direction until now.

    You are looking for a perspective in your decision not “answers.”

    What is your career path you are choosing?  What made you decide on that one?

    Mark

    #281059
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Duderino:

    You wrote that you don’t want to have the perfect image you had of your father to be “a subconscious anchor” because you spent most of your life trying to mold yourself into a perfect person based on that image, that anchor. These efforts have been holding you back, leading to not trusting yourself, to second guessing yourself. You want “to find a healthier place from how to react”.

    This is my understanding: a young boy does look up to his father as perfect, all knowing, all powerful. Ideally, the father, although imperfect in reality (as the growing child always finds out), is kind and respectful toward his son, skillful, capable and able to teach and guide his son toward a good life.

    But you didn’t/ don’t have a father whose steps you can follow. You have to lead your own way, step by step. There is no way to  do it, as I see it, without second guessing yourself because you don’t have the all-knowing, all-powerful figure to follow with blind trust.

    So you take a step and you evaluate it: did it work for me, did I achieve what I wanted to achieve, was that step effective? You answer your own question best you can and decide whether to take another step in the same direction or change direction, or maybe take a break and rest before proceeding. You carve your path in life one step at a time, evaluating your progress or regression, failure or success, deciding on what return you get on your investment, and you proceed accordingly.

    Doe that make sense to you?

    * I will soon be away from the computer for about fifteen hours.

    anita

    #281065
    Duderino
    Participant

    Hi Mark,

    The issue I have with therapists is that I need to be able to connect with them on a ground level, I feel empathy very deeply and the professionalization of traditional therapy makes it feel disingenuous.

    I’m going to school for Music Production and Sound Design. I started Producing Music & DJ’ing about a year ago and I cannot stop thinking about all aspects of it. It’s the first thing that I’ve committed to for myself, and also the first hobby that I didn’t get bored with. The challenges I face when trying to accomplish things here don’t discourage me, they drive me to be better. I know I would be happier doing something that fulfills me in that way, rather than waiting to retire to enjoy life. The old “Time, Money, Energy” adage saying you use up one or the other throughout various stages of your life, always resonated with me. When talking it over with family they all didn’t think it makes any sense (leaving a good paying job), but they are supportive and want me to be happy.

    #281069
    Duderino
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Absolutely.

    I’ve read before that the only way you can learn to trust people, is by trusting them. (Kinda obvious, but the simplest option is rarely the easiest). I don’t place a lot of trust in others. I protect myself in that way, and maybe vicariously its a way to not really engage in my life. Detaching myself from the pain of having trust broken isn’t healthy. It puts all responsibility on me, and when I cannot live up to that, I feel like I’ve failed a figment of my imagination that is what I would’ve thought my dad to be like.

    But like you said, it’s a scientific approach. Try something, evaluate, proceed/digress, etc.

    I hope I can make that a part of my life.

     

     

     

    #281091
    Mark
    Participant

    Duderino,

    When you say you cannot connect with therapists, does that mean you have tried therapy?

    Like any profession, there is a wide range of the type, the competency as well as just having a good fit/match of therapists that would benefit you.

    Did you have a male role model/mentor growing up?

    Mark

    #281141
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Duderino:

    “I’ve read before that the only way you can learn to trust people, is by trusting them”- I don’t understand, is the saying suggesting to trust people before learning who they are,  before checking whether they are trustworthy or not?

    anita

    #281161
    Duderino
    Participant

    Dear Mark,

    I have tried therapy multiple times throughout my life. First beginning around 16 and the most recent about 6 months ago. I don’t think that there ‘isn’t a therapist for me’ or anything along those lines, my experience with therapy hasn’t really helped for the long term as much as investing in my own answers.

    I did have male role models in my life, but not very consistently. I would spend summers with my paternal side of the family and see my uncles and grandpa then. We moved away from extended family when I was young, and the nearest family member is around 12 hrs away, the rest in Canada or scattered around North America. My mom married when I was 5 to my step-father, but he worked overseas when I was younger, and when we moved away from his home state, he wasn’t very positive about the situation. I realize now that he was just placed in a new place with no home comforts, but he would get frustrated and say some things “I didn’t want you” “Your not my kid” and it resonated. I haven’t forgotten that. He tried his best however, and I do know he loves me very much. Got me into sports and rock music. Taught me how to hunt and enjoy nature. I don’t consciously hold a grudge but it’s just hard to forget some of those things. Especially when you’re young.

     

    #281163
    Duderino
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    The way I interpret it is that ultimately you can keep second guessing others and keep not trusting them, and then say you cannot trust anyone. Or you just give them the chance in your mind, and see what happens. Not necessarily blind trust/faith that everyone has the best intentions, but ultimately you have to give trust to build trust in a relationship.

    #281169
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Duderino:

    “Or just give them the chance in your mind, and see what happens”- I would give people a limited chance, take a calculated risk with people and build from there. When a person proves reliable in the context of the calculated risk, that is a risk you can handle, then you can put more trust in that person.

    anita

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