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  • #416248
    Tee
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    *mental health problems

    #416254
    Katrine Nielsen
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    Very very worrying indeed. Well the manager we had pre pandemic were close friends with him and so he could get away with it. The manager we have now is way better and hopefully he will listen.

    We seem to have enough staff they just can’t figure out how to make a work schedule that fits. So they’ll have three people working café but not having any shuffleboard bookings until 5 pm. Then last Friday we were only tro people working with fully booked hostel (over 900 beds) and fully booked shuffleboard (now 6 tables) that’s 6 groups of people starting at the same time the previosly 6 groups finish, with no time to turn over the room. The top manager has asked my manager to deal with it since we recived bad review because we are short staffed. I’ll have a chat to the manager about that as well.

    #416255
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Katrine,

    Well the manager we had pre pandemic were close friends with him and so he could get away with it. The manager we have now is way better and hopefully he will listen.

    Oh that’s a different manager than the one who was buddies with the head chef! Good then – I hope he makes the necessary steps now…

    Wish you luck with your conversation tomorrow! Is any of your colleagues joining you?

    #416291
    Katrine Nielsen
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    He’s gonna meet me tomorrow, the people in the kitchen are a bit scared if him. The guy that I like has something in writing so that’s good. I hope for the best.

    #416294
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Katrine,

    wish you luck tomorrow! Is your guy joining you? It’s good he has something in writing (I guess something that serves as a proof against the head chef?)

    #416603
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Katrine,

    how have you been? Have you talked to the manager? What about your guy – has he left to South America?

    #416654
    Katrine Nielsen
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    I’m alright how are you?’

    It’s been two overwhelming weeks lot’s of stuff going wrong (not neccesary big stuff but stressful things non theless)

    I finally had the chance to talk to my manager two days ago and today my manager wanted to talk to me about it. Apparently the problem is that none of the agency workers have mentioned it to someone (the manager in charge of agency workers) or our general manager so they don’t have any statements from the people affected, that working in a kitchen is a hard job to be in in general, and then used an example of my collegue not doing her job after being told several times that he doesn’t snap without a reason and that he is a good chef, so unfortunatly I don’t think it will have an affect since our general manager is leaving in two weeks and the people who are willing to speak up aren’t directly affected by it. He then told me to tell people to speak to their agency manager if something isn’t right and then take it from there.

    In regards to my guy he left for Portugal Monday to see some family and atend a birthday party/work before going home to Brazil on the 30th. I have been very happy and sad in that sense. On St Patricks day Friday he came to work to celebrate the day/have drinks to say hi to everybody before he leaves. I came back to find that the other guy had taken my spot (we found our own table away from the rest to get some privacy after drinking with them) said something like I wrote you or I’m gonna write you, my guy then went to smoke and the other guy stayed at our table. He retreated into his awkward self. Just sat there. So I had to be in charge of the conversation, something I always hate doing since I’m not good at it.  We had quite a long conersation before he said that he had been away from the group for too long and they probably wondered where he was. It went really well, there wasn’t any anxiety or nervousness in me like there used to be and he and the rest went out to a techo party so we just had it to ourselves without and it became more intimate. He mentioned that he doesn’t start something unless he is sure that he is really interested (he finds relationships hard too due to trauma as well) it made me nervous but then he kissed me and hugged me. It was a really good night our collegues came over with free drinks and they even made us food after the kitchen closed. I left at 2 am so I could get my sleep (had work the next day and we were gonna spend Sunday together) and one guy from the kitchen could say goodbye to him (he didn’t want to interrupt us) they girls working the bar told me the next day that he is really in love but was nervous about kissing me cuz he was worried I might think it was too fast. I really really like him and we had a really good time together the day before he left, but I am very worried that him being away for that long is gonna make him forget about me. He isn’t a person who text a lot, he’s more in the present. He said that it’s not easy for him to be away from me for that long and that he is gonna miss me.

    I’m trying to stay possitive and hope that this isn’t gonna end before it really starts.

    #416660
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Katrine,

    glad you’re doing fine. I’ve been struggling with some health problems for a while, so it’s not been great. I hope that I’ll find the proper treatment soon enough.

    I am sorry about the situation with the had chef.

    he doesn’t snap without a reason and that he is a good chef,

    I don’t see how biting people, or not allowing people to take a toilette break is reasonable behavior, and not harassment. He may be a good chef, as in knowing how to cook, but he has poor people skills. It’s a pity that no one wants to speak up – probably they are afraid of getting fired. You said your guy had something in writing – could you use any of that as evidence?

    I came back to find that the other guy had taken my spot (we found our own table away from the rest to get some privacy after drinking with them) said something like I wrote you or I’m gonna write you, my guy then went to smoke and the other guy stayed at our table. He retreated into his awkward self. Just sat there.

    So if I am understanding this right, the guy you had a crush on came to sit to your and your new guy’s table, and told you he wrote you or that he would write to you. And then your new guy went to smoke and left you alone with the other guy? And the other guy proceeded to sit there, didn’t say much, and then you felled compelled to engage in a conversation with him?

    If so, I find it rude and intrusive of him to sort of insert himself between you and your new guy and don’t give you privacy (because you said he sat there for quite a while). But I don’t want to make conclusions if this is not what actually happened and I misunderstood?

     

    #416707
    Katrine Nielsen
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    Oh no that doesn’t sound good. I hope it’s not too serious and that you receive the proper treatment soon.

    Yeah, it wasn’t exactly what I wanted to hear. He is way out of line, regardless of being a good chef. Well he wrote him on his day off like f.. you and f.. you again, completely uncalled for, They know he is bipolar and sometimes goes off his meds (sometimes using alcohol or other as well) so you never know what mood he is in. The last day I had with my guy the head chef wrote him wanting to have a drink with him, like nothing happened.

    Well first we all sat at the same table, collegues all wanted to say goodbye to him before he left. Then we came back after getting some fresh air and the table we were all at were now full, so me and him got our own table in the corner. When I came back from the bathroom the guy I had a crush on had taken my seat (he did ask if I wanted it back) He then told my guy that he had writen him (or was going to not a 100 % sure) my guy then left to smoke and he just stayed there. I expected him to leave since he doesn’t usually talk to me when other collegues can see. He was way more reserved than talking to any other person, his girl was working reception and so couldn’t join for drinks. I thought I had to start a conversation because just sitting there in front of each other with no one talking would have been awkward. So we started talking about the head chef and that I was going to tell the general manager, and he told me to make a list of the things I have seen and heard to make it easier and not forget anything. He left before my guy came back, saying that he should probably get back because he had been away from them for too long. He said he wasn’t gonna join them at the techno party cuz he would just be drinking all night, but at the end he went with them. So me and my guy were the only staff hanging out in the café.

    #416769
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Katrine,

    thanks for your concern. I too hope there will be some improvement soon.

    As for the head chef, I don’t know why they are keeping him if he sometimes goes off his medications and uses alcohol and drugs. He isn’t stable. They could make his stay dependent on whether he is taking his medicine or not. Like this, he is just terrorizing people.

    It’s good you’re not directly exposed to his moods, and that your guy won’t be working there any more. But still, your manager’s attitude isn’t encouraging. Btw is 72-hr work week a norm in the kitchen, or something your guy took on voluntarily because he needed the money? Because I think people usually get at least 2 days off with such schedule.

    Regarding your previous crush, I understand it now a bit better. He didn’t say that he would write to you, but to your new guy. And you weren’t at the table when he joined. So it can’t be said that he tried to usurp the two of you from having some privacy.

    my guy then left to smoke and he just stayed there. I expected him to leave since he doesn’t usually talk to me when other collegues can see.

    How come? Because it seems your colleagues know you’re dating…

    It’s interesting he wasn’t jealous that the guy you previously had a crush on is chatting with you. Have you talked about it? I mean, have you told him you don’t have feelings for the other guy anymore?

    He mentioned that he doesn’t start something unless he is sure that he is really interested (he finds relationships hard too due to trauma as well) it made me nervous but then he kissed me and hugged me.

    That’s a good sign! This means he is really interested and he isn’t just fooling around. And he did kiss you even if he was nervous.

     I really really like him and we had a really good time together the day before he left,

    Has he kissed you on Sunday too? I mean, are you now officially dating or it’s still unsure?

    I am very worried that him being away for that long is gonna make him forget about me. He isn’t a person who text a lot, he’s more in the present. He said that it’s not easy for him to be away from me for that long and that he is gonna miss me.

    He doesn’t sound like someone who is playing games. And he told you he is serious about his intentions. And that he’s going to miss you. So I think you don’t have anything to worry about. But maybe you can ask him to keep in touch regularly, so you know what’s going on with him? I mean, if you’re now officially dating, you can express your preferences, you don’t need to hold back so much…

     

    #416777
    Katrine Nielsen
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    Yeah I don’t think that he should be able to work in the kitchen, you really need a mentally stable person to be in charge there.Unfortunatly a 72 hour work week is normal for them, many of them don’t speak english and they send money home to their families.

    Yeah, he knew we were sitting at that table but didn’t come over until I went to the bathroom. My guy then went to smoke and my previous crush then jus sat there looking into the air so I started to do a bit of smalltalk. He left just before my guy came back. I think that he isn’t jealous because the other guy is now dating another brunette. We haven’t talked about him since January where he asked me if he was still acting weird and that he didn’t like the way he treated me.

    Yes, I think so too. He said that he doesn’t take a step forworth only to back away because it wasn’t what he thought it was, and that he wants to be absolutly sure before talking the next step. And after our first kiss he did tell my collegues that he was very happy but he was afraid that I thought he went to fast. But it wasn’t to fast for me, I was afraid he had changed his mind since he hadn’t kissed me sooner (only started to kiss me on my cheek when we said goodbye) He’s a good guy everybody loves him at work and he did ask me if i wanna go travel a when he gets back, I said i could come and visit him in Portugal on his birthday in June (he needs to go to Portugal after Brazil to visit properties with his new job) he really liked that idea. He even told his friend about it and has some ideas of things for us to do.

    Yes, we did. He was with me until midnight and he had to take a bus to the airport at 2 am so he could be there for his early flight, he ended up pulling an all nighter since we were together so long that he didn’t have time to rest before going.

    He’s just not much of a texter, and it’s causing some anxieties on my part. I’m thinking of asking him to be honest with me, like if he’s feelings changes that he would let me know instead of just stop writing, like so many people have done.

    #416795
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Katrine,

    Yeah, he knew we were sitting at that table but didn’t come over until I went to the bathroom. My guy then went to smoke and my previous crush then jus sat there looking into the air so I started to do a bit of smalltalk. He left just before my guy came back.

    That sounds okay – he didn’t want to impose himself or come between the two of you. And it’s great that you could do the small talk without getting anxious or awkward. So I think you’re making great progress on that front. Congratulations!

    I think that he isn’t jealous because the other guy is now dating another brunette. We haven’t talked about him since January where he asked me if he was still acting weird and that he didn’t like the way he treated me.

    Oh so your previous crush is already dating someone else, not that 21-yr old Australian girl? It’s good your new guy isn’t jealous, but if he ever shows some uncertainty, do let him know that you don’t have feelings for the other guy anymore. Because he (the chef) knows how much you suffered because of the other guy. So I guess it doesn’t hurt to let him know (in an appropriate moment) that you don’t have feelings for the other guy any more. But you don’t have to bring this up out of the blue, only if he seems troubled about it.

    He said that he doesn’t take a step forworth only to back away because it wasn’t what he thought it was, and that he wants to be absolutly sure before talking the next step. And after our first kiss he did tell my collegues that he was very happy but he was afraid that I thought he went to fast.

    Maybe a part of his hesitation to kiss you was that he knew how much you pined for the other guy, and so he thought maybe it’s too soon?

    He’s a good guy everybody loves him at work and he did ask me if i wanna go travel a when he gets back, I said i could come and visit him in Portugal on his birthday in June (he needs to go to Portugal after Brazil to visit properties with his new job) he really liked that idea. He even told his friend about it and has some ideas of things for us to do.

    That all sounds very promising!

    Yes, we did. He was with me until midnight and he had to take a bus to the airport at 2 am so he could be there for his early flight, he ended up pulling an all nighter since we were together so long that he didn’t have time to rest before going.

    Glad you’re now officially dating and that he was with you till the last moment!

    He’s just not much of a texter, and it’s causing some anxieties on my part. I’m thinking of asking him to be honest with me, like if he’s feelings changes that he would let me know instead of just stop writing, like so many people have done.

    Well, let him know you’d like to hear from him regularly. If he is a considerate guy, I don’t see a reason why he wouldn’t do it. Unless he doesn’t have internet access back home?

    Also, you seem to be making scenarios in your head that he might abandon you. That’s your wounded part acting out… As I said, he might have hesitated to kiss you sooner because he wasn’t sure if you still had feelings for the other guy. Not because he was starting to change his mind about you…

    You see? You started to worry that he doesn’t like you anymore, while he was worrying that he was going too fast. That’s why it’s important that you communicate with him, not assume what he is thinking. Because that’s what our wounded self does – assumes the worst possible scenarios. While the reality can be totally opposite…

     

    #416888
    Katrine Nielsen
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    Thank you. It’s a huge relief that it’s getting easier.

    Oh sorry it’s the same girl (green eyes brown hair, same looks like me and his x girlfriend ) just me not articulating properly. My guy was certain that he liked me, but he doesn’t seem jealous really just didn’t like when I said that it hurt seeing them together (before he told me he liked me) Yeah I think your right (about only bringing it up in the right moment) I didn’t have the best respond to him when he asked about my thoughts about us dating. I acted very childdish, I shut down and basically pretended I couldn’t hear him, then mentioned that I was looking therapy so I could start dating. I just panicked a bit, couldn’t say yes but couldn’t say no. I felt trapped  it just really caught me off guard cuz he never flirted with me, he said a lot of nice things to me and about me to others but he is a nice guy. I think it was my fear of intamacy that made me react like that, because I did indact ask around about him when he started working here.

    Yeah that makes sense, cuz it really took all my energy, especially with his behaviour after. And he knows that I struggle in this department and so I need time.

    I am constanly worried that he will leave me. Going from friends to more changes the dynamic and now all my wounds comes to surface, like you say. I nearly broke it off before it started because it would be easier for me to leave him than for him to leave me. I get very defensive when that wound gets activated. Your absolutly right and this is a good chance for me to heal those wounds, i am speaking my thruth more and more. Even just having that chat with the manager about the head chef was hard for me but I did it, and I have been opening up to him before he left that it was hard for me to see him leave and he said he felt the same. Being aware of when I start to assume I know what him (and people) are thinking is my first step, because I really don’t want to screw it up because of the past. I also think I am reacting this strongly because not only is he away for that long he’s also no longer working the same place as me, and it makes me afraid.

    Yes, we talked about it and he said that we can call too if I like. We have been writing and he is very happy being with his family and going to the doctor with his dad and I have been going out with my collegues for drinks and dinner and it was really what I needed. Work has been so overwhelmening, too many changes Y is apparently gonna be our new f&b manager (after the one who got fired) which has made people wanna quit.

    #416891
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Katrine,

    Thank you. It’s a huge relief that it’s getting easier.

    you’re welcome. I am happy for you and the progress you’ve made!

    Oh sorry it’s the same girl (green eyes brown hair, same looks like me and his x girlfriend ) just me not articulating properly.

    Oh I see… didn’t know that you too are brunette, so that’s what got me confused…

    My guy was certain that he liked me, but he doesn’t seem jealous really just didn’t like when I said that it hurt seeing them together (before he told me he liked me)

    No wonder he didn’t like it..  because it told him you still have feelings for the guy. And that’s why he was probably hesitating to kiss you, once you started getting close to each other.

    I didn’t have the best respond to him when he asked about my thoughts about us dating. I acted very childdish, I shut down and basically pretended I couldn’t hear him, then mentioned that I was looking therapy so I could start dating. I just panicked a bit, couldn’t say yes but couldn’t say no.

    Okay, that was your reflex reaction – to shut down and want to run away. But it’s great that you did get together after all… that he didn’t give up and things just progressed organically…

    I felt trapped it just really caught me off guard cuz he never flirted with me, he said a lot of nice things to me and about me to others but he is a nice guy.

    Right… I guess he never flirted with you because he knew you had a crush on the other guy. And he wasn’t trying to compete with him, because he is a decent guy. But I understand it caught you by surprise that he wants to be more than friends, because he’d never shown it before. That was probably another reason why you were caught off guard and reacted confused/panicky at first… But anyway, that’s past now, I am glad you got together after all!

    I am constanly worried that he will leave me. Going from friends to more changes the dynamic and now all my wounds comes to surface, like you say. I nearly broke it off before it started because it would be easier for me to leave him than for him to leave me. I get very defensive when that wound gets activated. Your absolutly right and this is a good chance for me to heal those wounds

    Good that you’re aware of your fear of abandonment. Try to observe it, but don’t identify with it. See it as just one part of yourself. The wounded child in you is afraid of abandonment. But there is the adult part of you as well, who sees things from a broader perspective. You, the adult Katrine, know that people like you and want to hang out with you. You also know that your guy likes you and cares about you, and that he stayed by your side all this time while you were recovering from the crush, and that he is a decent guy who keeps his word. And that he doesn’t lie and manipulate.

    So when the little girl in you starts panicking, try to soothe her, tell her you love her and that you’ll protect her. And also, that you’ll be her advocate. Which you are already doing – you are already speaking up, advocating for things that matter to you, and also being more open about your fear with your boyfriend:

    i am speaking my thruth more and more. Even just having that chat with the manager about the head chef was hard for me but I did it, and I have been opening up to him before he left that it was hard for me to see him leave and he said he felt the same.

    You’re doing great, Katrine. You are being vulnerable and admitting your fears and your needs – which is a precondition for a healthy relationship! And it’s wonderful that he too is open about his feelings, that he admits how much he misses you. And also that he is willing to talk to you on the phone. Which means he is responding well to your feelings and your needs.

    Being aware of when I start to assume I know what him (and people) are thinking is my first step, because I really don’t want to screw it up because of the past.

    Yes, be aware of those fears and try to anchor yourself in your adult self, which is getting stronger and stronger by the day!

    I also think I am reacting this strongly because not only is he away for that long he’s also no longer working the same place as me, and it makes me afraid.

    Right… you’re afraid that distance will weaken his interest for you. But keep in mind that he left because it was a family emergency, not because he wanted to run away from you. And he’s going to be away only for a couple of months. You’re already planning a trip together in June. And also, he never lost interest in you even when you had eyes only for the other guy… So keep all that in  mind – those are the facts. They can help you deal with the fear when it comes up.

    I have been going out with my collegues for drinks and dinner and it was really what I needed.

    Great! You’re having a good time with your colleagues, you feel welcome and accepted (remember in the past you didn’t feel like that – you felt unwanted a lot of the times). It’s good to hear that hanging out with your colleagues uplifts and energizes you…

    Work has been so overwhelmening, too many changes Y is apparently gonna be our new f&b manager (after the one who got fired) which has made people wanna quit.

    Oh, people wouldn’t like Y to be your f&b manager?

     

    #417049
    Katrine Nielsen
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    Thank you very much, I’m getting better and better.

    That makes sense, he knew how hurt I was and that I struggle in this department and that it takes long for me to detach from someone. It really was a huge shock when he said it, and I definitly felt my wounds being activated cuz now we started getting more intimate. And the process of going from friends to more just takes a bit of getting use to.

    That’s some very good advice! The younger wounded parts of batteling with my adult self kinda. I’m trying not to take it too personally that he’s not a person who texts all the time, even my best friend is like that. It can easily take several weeks or even a month for her to reply, she’s trying to work on that.

    Didn’t think about it that way, but your right. He knew for months about the other guy and he didn’t loose his interest in me

    Yes, I did and still do in terms of X. I sometimes get the feeling she’s mad at me. Like when we are alone she seems fine but when other people are there she’s kinda giving me the cold shoulder. Like yesterday one of the boys wrote me asking me to go to a park, X, Y and another boy from work was going as well and I thought they knew but when I showed up X didn’t seem positive at all that I was there and whenever I talk she’s not responding to me and even looking at me. This has happened several times before, and I don’t know why but I just reminded myself that the rest didn’t have a problem with me being there, and I have never done anything (that I know of) to annoy her and if she has a problem with me then she should tell me. Am so I managed to have fun after all. I also don’t really hang out with the canadian girl, she’s been spending all her time partying with X and Y and staying out until 8 in the morning. She did say infront of X on St Paddy’s day that we need to go for another coffee and that she enjoyed our time together.

    No nobody really wants her to be our manager. I like her as a friend but as a collegue it’s different. She doesn’t do her job as well as the rest. Never did half the work that I do in the café and even the managers noticed and said that he wasn’t reslly impressed with her performance. She’s party first work second, get’s drunk several times and has other people covering for her, and that has gotten people upset and now wants to leave. She doesn’t like working the bar anyone and left for reception, but since everyone has had their shifts cut and struggeling to make ends meet (I’m one of the few that didn’t get my shifts cut) she wanted the position. But she is better at telling people what to do instead of getting the job done. For me it is a bit hard to be told what to do at work by someone, who’s never actually done the work themselves. So I am worried about all the changes happening.

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