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August 21, 2017 at 7:22 pm #165030Not_so_lost_starParticipant
Hi wildoceanflower,
Just want to echo Anita’s point that you are visible here – we hear you (I see a couple of people who responded to your thread) and what you say is important to us that we want to reach out to you and respond to your pain. I thought Anita was trying to let you know that you are visible here even if the people in your life may treat you as invisible. I thought the beauty of this forum is that even though we are all strangers but we are connected by basic human compassion and we offer support to each other through difficult times.
And reading your past threads and current thread, I see that you have been through alot. And I suppose as a wildoceanflower, the ocean seems to be throwing you waves after waves of setbacks and challenges that it is hard to catch a breather. However in all the waves of suffering and pain, I also sense there is this spirit in you like a wild flower with that instinct to try to fight against all these so that you can blossom one day too. I admire your bravery in looking at all the challenges that are in your life now instead of running away from the pain. I admire how you tried different things to see if it can improve your situation. I admire how you try to look for positives “i have just chosen to accept the solitude being grateful i am not worse off”. I admire how you got yourself out of financial danger amidst all these issues that are going on.
I see you trying hard to stay afloat when the ocean throws you all these waves and it can be tiring to do so. I wish that this ocean would become calmer for you so that you can take a rest and blossom the way you are supposed to be. I hear a beautiful soul in you – a loving soul that dares to love and a soul that gave your heart. After being hurt, I think it is quite natural for us to want to protect ourselves for fear of being hurt again.
So I hope that you would nurture your own soul and be compassionate to yourself. What your parents do, what your exes do and what your friends do are all beyond your control. Like Anita has mentioned before, it may be helpful to see what is within our control and what is beyond our control. We cannot control how your parents want to treat you, how your ex is doing and how your friends may take you for granted. But what we can control is how we love ourselves and how we treat ourselves right. When we start looking inwards to nourish our soul and give ourselves the love we deserve, I feel it is a small step in the right direction.
I like this book by Pema Chödrön – When things fall apart. She is an American Buddhist nun who writes with some principles of Buddhism. I do not subscribe to any form of religion but I still felt that what she wrote resonated with me. I am still in the process of reading it and I thought you may want to take a look at it and see if it helps in any way.
Wishing you well my dear!
August 21, 2017 at 7:33 pm #165040Not_so_lost_starParticipantHi wildoceanflower,
Just wanted to add one more thing which is this quote from the book I mentioned about (Pema Chödrön – When things fall apart).
“Things falling apart is a kind of testing and also a kind of healing. We think that the point is to pass the test or to overcome the problem, but the truth is that things don’t really get solved. They come together and they fall apart. Then they come together again and fall apart again. It’s just like that. The healing comes from letting there be room for all of this to happen: room for grief, for relief, for misery, for joy.”
And my takeaway is that sometimes things dont really get solved and that is the ebb and flow of life (and the ocean). And it is creating a space for healing in which there is room for grief, for relief, for misery, for joy. And you have created space for grief, for misery and trying to create space for relief and joy. So maybe rather than looking at changing the ebb and flow of the ocean, would it help to accept that ebbs and flows happen and look at what can you do to create space for other things to happen within that space of healing?
Just some thoughts which you can see if it works for you!
August 22, 2017 at 7:39 am #165106AnonymousGuestDear wildoceanflower:
Your last post to me was: “i understand…i will stop posting because i have taken up a lot of your time”- I think you misunderstood because you concluded that you should stop posting here, as if I communicated to you that you took up too much of my time….?
No,no, no, wildoceanflower. I had no intent that you stop posting. The opposite is true: my intent is that you continue posting!
What I did in the last post to you (as lost_star expressed correctly in her beautiful posts above) is to make you visible here. Like a mirror, I played back what you shared, so to show you that I see/hear (read) you.
anita
August 23, 2017 at 8:17 am #165272wildoceanflowerParticipantThank you Lost_Star for your post with your compassion and empathy i feel very grateful there is this space. I will try to find the book. Its interesting your last post, the idea of giving room to all the emotions. I think in my case that there has been little room for joy. And a fear of having it…in case it goes away. which is a self perpetuating cycle. For example, winning some game or prize and thinking you didnt deserve it instead of indulging in self congratulation. This has been for such a long long time that i dont know if i can escape it. There is so much room for misery however..i already know im really good at that. Maybe its because i believe in it more.
Hi Anita, I’m sorry i had a bad day on the eclipse and read your post wrong…i honestly believe i am affected by things in the atmosphere, a full moon etc. I was really hit hard with emotions of missing my boyfriend that i felt physical pain worse than i had before and that led to despair at my future and the rest of the negative feelings.
Rationally speaking, i know this is because i opened a dialogue with my ex again. I hurt myself because i was tired of wondering about him. It has been obsessive thinking, hitting me again and again. I emailed him probably on the monday before and it took him 5 days to reply, so i left it 2 days and replied on the day of the eclipse (which apparently you should avoid). I kept my reply to the point of returning his things, no other information..and that hurt because i wanted to say more. Then i promptly twisted my ankle badly…so if that was karma, i was punished straight away.
August 23, 2017 at 9:19 am #165288AnonymousGuestDear wildoceanflower:
I am so glad you posted again! I thought about you earlier this very morning, wondering if I ever read from you again, and here you are! So glad.
I don’t believe you twisting your ankle is a punishment. It is an unfortunate accident. I twisted my ankle a few weeks ago, walked on crutches for a few days, jumped more like it. It was very upsetting for me. Happened as I got up from my recliner, of all places, lost my footing. Same recliner I am sitting on now, very comfortable. In any case, not a punishment, just an accident. Lots of random things happening, not all is an issue of stars and moon and such.
You wrote: “For example, winning some game or prize and thinking you didnt deserve it”- thinking you didn’t deserve it is a core belief deeply registered in your brain. It goes something like this: “I, wildoceanflower, do not deserve to win, to be happy.” Combining it with your thinking that your ankle twisting is a punishment, your core belief is something like: “I, wildoceanflower, do not deserve to win, to be happy. I deserve to be punished.”
Core beliefs are combinations of thoughts and emotions. Strong emotions hold these thoughts tight together, like glue. Life events are interpreted according to core beliefs (not according to the stars!)
Guilt in the context of your relationship with your mother, father, as the child that you were, that guilt is the glue that holds these core beliefs expressed here, tight. Problem is, these core beliefs are untrue. In reality, you do deserve to be happy and you do not deserve to be punished.
Besides, if your suffering was a result of cosmic punishment decided for you by celestial superpowers of sorts, haven’t you been punished enough???
anita
August 23, 2017 at 9:59 pm #165398Not_so_lost_starParticipantHi wildoceanflower,
Like Anita, I am glad to see you posting here again 🙂 Thank you for acknowledging my reply to you and I am grateful for this space too. Thanks for sharing your experiences and giving us the privilege to have a look into your inside world.
I also wanted to affirm your growth with this line: “I kept my reply to the point of returning his things, no other information..and that hurt because i wanted to say more.” While it hurt that you wanted to say more but held yourself back, it seems to me that you grew in the sense that you did not reach out to the person that hurt you and expect him to soothe your hurt. I am not sure what held you back, but I thought maybe on some level, you know that you cannot rely on him to soothe your hurt.
It sounds to me that being in pain is your comfort zone and you are so accustomed to feeling pain that you feel this is where you belong. Pain is so familiar to you that it is so comfortable. And that is why you have made so much room for misery in your life because you know how it feels. Sometimes as much as these feelings do not serve us in our life, we let it remain because it is comfortable. We do not know what is life like without these familiar feelings and we fear it.
And then this line of yours jumped out at me: “And a fear of having it (joy)…in case it goes away.” And this fear of reaching out for joy would keep you further trapped in the pain that you feel. I used to have this fear like yours too. When I lost my mother to cancer, I did not want to get close to anyone again. I thought of how if there were more people I loved, I would have to go through more losses and pain in future when they die.
However, I also realised that impermanence is the way of life. Nothing lasts forever. Joy does not last forever and similarly pain does not last forever. While joy does not last forever, I try to immerse myself with each experience of joy. I know fully that the joy would not last and thus when it leaves, I just acknowledge that it is a part of life and try not cling on to it so tightly. Sometimes accepting that this is a harsh reality of life just makes it less tiring. It feels more like I am going with the flow of life rather than against it. I am not struggling with life but working with life. And rather than focusing on how I may lose them, I stay present and treasure each experience of joy I have.
If you look at the world around you, everything goes through a cycle. Flowers bloom and flowers wilt and when the season comes again, they will bloom once more. The sun rises and the sun sets on its cycle. As much as we wish for flowers to bloom forever, they wont. And that is also when we appreciate the blooms more because we know it will not last forever.
And like what Anita says, it seems like your core beliefs keeps you in pain too. And then you justify why you should be in pain (cosmic punishment, karma etc) and probably these justifications fit in with your narrative of why you should be in pain and keeps you comfortable in pain. I agree with Anita that you deserve to be happy. And the core beliefs/narratives can be changed one step at a time.
And while maybe there are some cosmic forces at work like you believe in, we can also make room for other moments within the situation.
So wildoceanflower, what would life look like if you were not in this familiar pain but in fleeting moments of happiness?
August 24, 2017 at 8:05 pm #165534wildoceanflowerParticipantHi Anita and Lost_star,
I feel really more like i am an empty vessel but that my experiences and in particular negative ones have shaped my opinion. For instance i do remember some great moments, happy moments with my ex…and i remember thinking very much in those moment that i was happy and being aware of what felt like good fortune to me, i loved just being with him. I remember moments of fun with my friend and thinking “i am lucky i get to enjoy this” because i was also grieving i was even more grateful for any attention but also because ive never had any luck clicking with friends so it was actually just a luxury to me. It makes me sad that i have been bereft of so much when i DID know when i had it good. Now i only get to enjoy memories.
At one point i felt that way about my whole life…because i moved to where i am now and had such a reduced life to what once was…i thought at least i would have the memories of all the fun stuff i had done even if nothing else happened. But where is my future? Why am i being punished in that way? because as much as i struggle to get out of it..i am being held down by something.
What am i able to do in my limited options to change my path? I am not ready to see things so positively…when i have been hurt so badly and continue to suffer. I admit that i wish i still had my boyfriend who i loved so much despite his behaviour. It hangs in my heart like a bird unable to leave the cage. I subconsciously hold onto hope and a deep seated belief that he loves me. I must be wrong because his reply to me continued to blame me. He gave me some compliments..but even they were backhanded, interspersed with self congratulatory remarks about his influence being a factor and asking for praise. He seems completely unaware of himself…there is just so much ego there. i wonder what a psychologist would make of it.
I thought i had replied back but it must have not gone through, so i decided to leave it and just throw his things out. He doesnt seem to care and while he has a willing woman there at his house..he wont. But my mind continues to wish and wish things were different.
August 25, 2017 at 5:39 am #165556AnonymousGuestDear wildoceanflower:
Your last sentence is: “But my mind continues to wish and wish things were different.”
You know the song: “When you Wish Upon a Star- Makes no difference who you are- Anything your heart desires- Will come to you- If your heart is in your dream- No request is too extreme- … Fate steps in and sees you through- When you wish upon a star- Your dreams come true.”
A beautiful song. I remember hearing it in Fantasyland, Disneyland, California, my first visit to Disneyland. What a magical visit it was and how beautiful that song sounded.
You often wrote, wildoceanflower, about you looking for starsigns for answers, even obsessively at times, so you wrote. You do look to the stars for answers, and you do “wish upon a star” for love and happiness, just like in the song.
And like in the song, you too believe in Fate, hoping it “steps in” and make a difference in your life, otherwise hopeless.
anita
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