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September 13, 2024 at 2:52 am #438077klastParticipant
Hi anita,
“I guess so. I am a bit concerned about going through all this with the current state of my brain“- good point, something to ask a competent professional, if you are interested.”
I just happened to finally see a professional for the first time in my life, usually I would avoid them like the plague. At our first session he agreed about childhood trauma delaying emotional growth, he called it arrested psychological development. Reminds me of that noughties show Arrested Development, that I avoided watching.
He said I’ve spent my whole life wrestling with an invisible disability that I got when I was 18 months old. This disability was the prolonged febrile convulsion I experienced, causing hypoxic brain death of critical emotion and memory functions, oh and epilepsy.
This meant that every trauma after that, including my arrested development, was due to the invisibility aspect of my disability, and made worse by being so young. My natural intelligence meant I was really good at masking my disability, all the way till my 50s. The imposter syndrome I mentioned before.
So I’ve lived my whole life in a grey area, between appearing not disabled enough to get recognition and not being able enough to fully participate in society. Unable to engage in playing the game of life you could say.“In general, any kind of re-associating/ re-personalizing work should be done very gently, a bit today, a bit tomorrow, noting rushed.”
Fortnightly should be enough time for me to process each session.I feel a huge relief at realising I have an invisible disability that isn’t obvious to others, I thought I was just someone severely down on my luck due to “fate”. Now I have a chance to get myself unstuck and try to move on.
“C-PTSD is an umbrella diagnosis. Last I read, in the U.S. (DSM-5) it was rejected as a diagnosis because it’d make many previously accepted diagnoses obsolete”
What separates Cptsd from ptsd are 3 DSO’s; Disturbances in Self Organisation
1. negative self worth (how worthless you feel)
2. affective dysregulation (emotional control)
3. disturbances in relationships (how well you relate to others and maintain relationships)Look up(google) the International Trauma Questionnaire, I rated myself highly on 1, and about medium on 2 and 3.
Generally speaking: CPTSD is rolling life long traumas. PTSD is discrete traumatising events, like what first responders, soldiers victims of crime etc.
“There are so many mental health diagnoses available, no wonder most- if not all people fit at least one. I was diagnosed with quite a few.”
-Alot of people don’t like labels, too convenient. I am not to keen on them myself. Some people need a label to feel better about themselves. It is similar to the concept of god, someone who people can pass their self responsibility of their mistakes and failures off to, be “absolved of their sins”. That’s where I got my definition of god I mentioned earlier.CPTSD is the first mental health diagnosis I have ever been labelled with. It usually starts with a seed trauma somewhere in childhood, then all the other traumas throughout life, are triggered by the deficits the first one created. Like a snowball effect. My invisible disability was the seed trauma. The resulting social isolation led to child-abuse, then the abuse led to distrust of society, which reinforced the social isolation, etc.
Hope you’re keeping well,
Klast
September 13, 2024 at 9:18 am #438093anitaParticipantDear Klast:
“He said I’ve spent my whole life wrestling with an invisible disability… My natural intelligence meant I was really good at masking my disability, all the way till my 50s. The imposter syndrome I mentioned before. So I’ve lived my whole life in a grey area, between appearing not disabled enough to get recognition and not being able enough to fully participate in society. Unable to engage in playing the game of life you could say“-
– I somewhat relate. It so happens that I submitted a post half an hour ago in a thread called I want to feel accomplished, before I entered your thread, and it happens to be relevant to the topic here; you can read it, if you’d like. Without using the correct medical terminology, I’d say that I suffered brain damage early on, a damage that expresses itself in learning disabilities, ADD, and Tourette Syndrome (tics) ever since I was five or six. Some needed connections between brain cells/ neuropathways were not made.
I too lived my whole life in a grey area, between appearing not disabled enough to get recognition (the visible and audible motor and vocal tics were not attended to/ did not get recognition by teachers and doctors, so no help, and because I studied so many, many hours, I got okay grades in school, so no help with learning disabilities either), and not being able enough to fully participate in society (my social life was terrible, my work history and satisfaction were poor, and I was ..unhappy, to put it mildly).
“I feel a huge relief at realising I have an invisible disability that isn’t obvious to others, I thought I was just someone severely down on my luck due to ‘fate’. Now I have a chance to get myself unstuck and try to move on“- It feels good to read this!
“Generally speaking: CPTSD is rolling life long traumas. PTSD is discrete traumatising events, like what first responders, soldiers victims of crime etc.“- soldiers spend a limited time on a battlefield (the setting where they experience trauma), a crime victim is a limited-time victim of trauma occurring at a crime scene. I was.. an unlimited-time victim, of multiple settings, multiple crime scenes, so to speak, all perpetrated by my mother (hence I would fit the CPTSD diagnosis, if it was available in the U.S., where I live.. and if there was a reason for me to pursue it).
“Some people need a label to feel better about themselves. It is similar to the concept of god, someone who people can pass their self responsibility…“- the labels can be helpful in that a person feels no longer alone (as in thinking there are other people like me), and when it comes to psychotherapy, an official label aka an official diagnosis is a starting point (for a responsible psychotherapist) in the design of a therapy plan to fit the particular patient (similar to physical medicine).
“CPTSD is the first mental health diagnosis I have ever been labelled with… Like a snowball effect. My invisible disability was the seed trauma. The resulting social isolation led to child-abuse, then the abuse led to distrust of society, which reinforced the social isolation, etc.“- I relate. The image I used to have in regard to the expansion of my mental and emotional troubles through my childhood, into and through adulthood (maybe because I didn’t grow up with snow) was mud rolling down a hill, gathering more and more mud as it rolls down, becoming bigger and bigger.
“Hope you’re keeping well“- thank you! And yes, I am way, way better than I used to be.
anita
September 20, 2024 at 1:49 am #438248klastParticipantDear anita,
Some needed connections between brain cells/ neuropathways were not made.
In my brain scan I have two black holes, one where the tumour was and one where the epilepsy was. When I had the epilepsy cured I thought I was fully back on track to live a “normal” life. Seizure free, medication free and I had just had laser vision correction to be free of wearing glasses. I got my 1st job, got my drivers license, met my current wife etc. I never really comprehended that my invisible disability was still there, still sabotaging me, just not in ways that really mattered. I spent 20 years believing this….then BC came along……..
I was ..unhappy, to put it mildly).
I became numb after my similar experiences, especially when any intensely sad family event happened(death of pets, close relatives). I would just stand there being numbly stoic. I just thought I was all ‘cried out’ from my own traumas.
We are those baby sea turtles that get injured on the way to the ocean. Once we get there we cant deep dive with the others very well. We mainly hang around just below the surface.
…..severely down on my luck due to ‘fate’. Now I have a chance to get myself unstuck and try to move on.
Don’t get me wrong, fate isn’t completely absolved. It still was the root cause of my seed trauma(prolonged febrile convulsion), and choosing neglectful/abusive parents for me. But realising this and understanding the overall effect on my life is a big relief. A bit like when I got BC, part of me was so relieved it wasn’t my old enemy epilepsy back for revenge. BC had worse odds, but was something different.
I remember looking through the glass wall from my bed in ED, at the nurses station monitor. It had a brain scan on it with a white blob, I instantly knew it was mine. Then I started seizing and was flown by air ambulance to the nearest capital city.I would fit the CPTSD diagnosis, if it was available in the U.S., where I live.. and if there was a reason for me to pursue it
Yes, I have read about how the US health system is run by the insurance companies. They aren’t keen on having new diagnoses added to the DSM.
Where I live, the CPTSD label has no real effect on my life, unless I can convince a psychologist, to convince the government/insurance, that it has stopped/severely reduced my ability to do “my normal occupation”. How vague is that, especially when I have never had a “normal occupation”.
And these days health insurance companies run a mile if you have any sort of mental health label. That is why people won’t get their genetics tested because the gov/insurance will ping them for it.the labels can be helpful in that a person feels no longer alone
That’s the irony, all through the first 30 years or so of my life, I never met someone with any sort of epilepsy. Let alone someone with an invisible disability like Arrested Psychological Development. I was constantly alone.
And yes, I am way, way better than I used to be.
Me too. Now I am going to do some intense research on how to deal with APD in adults.
Kind regards,
Klast
September 20, 2024 at 10:17 am #438264anitaParticipantDear Klast:
It is amazing that you posted about your bran scan (revealing two black holes) only 10 hours before a doctor ordered a brain scan for me because I told her about my pulsative tinnitus in one ear. I hear it now, but when it started, or when I noticed it for the first time (weeks or months ago, I don’t remember) it was very, very loud, late at night. Seems like a blood vessel in my brain is either somewhat blocked or twisted, or.. I may have a tumor that’s pressing against blood vessels.. scary.
“We are those baby sea turtles that get injured on the way to the ocean. Once we get there we cant deep dive with the others very well. We mainly hang around just below the surface“- very well said. Increasingly in recent months I’ve been hanging around with others deep in the water, so to speak. It’s a very different emotional- social experience than being sad, scared, lonely and numb just below the surface.
“Don’t get me wrong, fate isn’t completely absolved. It still was the root cause of my seed trauma (prolonged febrile convulsion), and choosing neglectful/abusive parents for me. But realising this and understanding the overall effect on my life is a big relief“- who did the choosing of neglectful/ abusive parents for you? (I am not intending to argue with your belief in fate, which brings you a big relief, only to understand it better).
“Yes, I have read about how the US health system is run by the insurance companies. They aren’t keen on having new diagnoses added to the DSM“- there is a saying about understand how the modern world operates: follow the money.
“Where I live, the CPTSD label has no real effect on my life, unless I can convince a psychologist, to convince the government/insurance, that it has stopped/severely reduced my ability to do ‘my normal occupation’. How vague is that, especially when I have never had a ‘normal occupation’“- falling through the cracks..
“all through the first 30 years or so of my life, I never met someone with any sort of epilepsy. Let alone someone with an invisible disability like Arrested Psychological Development. I was constantly alone“- a human being is not meant to be alone.. or Arrested in any way.
“Now I am going to do some intense research on how to deal with APD in adults“- I just read this sentence for the first time, and again, I am amazed that only yesterday, I was ordered a brain scan in regard to my pulsative tinnitus. I also told the doctor about my Hissing/ white-noise type tinnitus, which she said is indicative of hearing loss..
anita
September 20, 2024 at 11:14 am #438265anitaParticipantDear Klast: I feel like sharing this bit, following the above post- I just had half a glass of wine following an early lunch, and the pulsative tinnitus that was there all morning is gone.. how can this be, any idea (still hearing hissing/ ringing)?
anita
September 20, 2024 at 11:47 pm #438267klastParticipantDear anita,
Hows your blood pressure? Alcohol intake?
The alcohol probably acted as a sedative. Abnormal blood pressure can cause all sorts of strange effects with hearing and vision, I have hissing/ringing in my ears pretty much all the time, it fluctuates throughout the day. For about 2 years after coming home from BC surgery I couldn’t go to sleep on my left side without loud whooshing/pulsing. Later in the night it would go away.
I might have to stop using the label ‘fate’, maybe BHC, beyond human conception. I get relief in knowing there are big mysteries humanity doesn’t understand yet. That I am just one infinitely small part of it. There is no who or what, there just ‘is’. When I am being mindful, I repeat the phrase “just be” and visualise/imagine other intrusive thoughts disappearing in a ‘thought shredder’. I have a tshirt with ‘be’ hand written inside a hand drawn circle.
I would love to fall through the cracks and stop this fog inducing medication from threatening my drivers license.
Hopefully your issues are just related to stress.
Klast
September 21, 2024 at 8:33 am #438268anitaParticipantDear Klast:
I thought that maybe the reason for my PT (Pulsative Tinnitus) was high blood pressure. In the past, whenever my bp was checked it was always low or normal. The day before yesterday, it was checked and it was normal. I suppose that’s why the doctor suspected a blocked/ twisted artery where the blood flow is disturbed.
“The alcohol probably acted as a sedative“- yes, it makes all kinds of discomforts disappear for a long while, a very welcomed relief. I drink red wine every day. Not that I recommend drinking alcohol (many thousands of people get injured and die every year because of operating under the influence, as you know).
“I have hissing/ringing in my ears pretty much all the time, it fluctuates throughout the day“- I remember the moment I realized that I never hear nothing, I felt claustrophobic in my own body, stuck in a forever- hissing. When I heard the PT, I almost panicked, as in: what if I will always hear that?
Hissing is always there when I am not outdoors with lots of sounds around, and whenever I direct my attention to it.
“For about 2 years after coming home from BC surgery I couldn’t go to sleep on my left side without loud whooshing/pulsing. Later in the night it would go away“- sounds like PT, and that’s after the surgery..
“I might have to stop using the label ‘fate’, maybe BHC, beyond human conception. I get relief in knowing there are big mysteries humanity doesn’t understand yet. That I am just one infinitely small part of it“- I agree with and relate to this.
Three days ago, I read in another thread: Every person has an inexhaustible creative and innovative energy. We can mobilize this energy in order to grow… Daoist saying: ‘When you are ‘sick’, do not seek a cure. Find your centre.. and you will be healed.“- I believe that a person’s center is part of an infinitely bigger energy, energy of a kind that is BHC. The BHC- energy is like the ocean, and each person (animal, plant; organism) is like a single wave rising and then falling back into the ocean. I find relief in this imagery. It feels good to know that I have that creative, innovative energy within me, that I can direct my attention to it in times of feeling helpless, and be helped by it. I noticed that my attention and learning abilities improve when I tap into the BHC-Energy.
“There is no who or what, there just ‘is’. When I am being mindful, I repeat the phrase ‘just be‘ and visualise/imagine other intrusive thoughts disappearing in a ‘thought shredder’. I have a t-shirt with ‘be’ hand written inside a hand drawn circle”- I will visualize a thought shredder next time I try to sleep, and I will repeat Just Be during the day. Thank you.
“I would love to fall through the cracks and stop this fog inducing medication from threatening my drivers license. Hopefully your issues are just related to stress.“- it is very important to keep ourselves as calm as possible.. just be calm, in all kinds of circumstances, best we can. As a rule, Calm Helps, Stress Harms.
I find it meaningful to communicate with you, thank you.
anita
September 22, 2024 at 2:56 pm #438276klastParticipantDear anita,
Not that I recommend drinking alcohol
I don’t touch alcohol much, because it will make the brain fog side effect, of my duty of care medication, even stronger. There is a warning sticker on my medication that talks about being cautious when operating machinery. I drive a forklift every day at work. I know how strong the fog is because the couple of times I missed a dose, I had a minor headache but my thoughts were much clearer and stronger than normal. I feel like I am being chemically restrained from fully engaging in life, by a society that is fearful of the effects of my brain damage. Even if I change to another similar drug, my drivers license would be taken away until the docs thought I was “safe”, which could end up being never.
After my BC surgery, my medical team was legally supposed to have had my license suspended. Fortunately for me, they knew how hard it would be to get it back. So they trusted me not to drive, and didn’t notify the transport department. Something I am really thankful for. My current GP said that it was a massive breach of duty of care on their part, and they shouldn’t have done it.When I heard the PT, I almost panicked, as in: what if I will always hear that?
I got over that feeling when I started regularly diaphragmatic breathing, Its sort of like floaters in your eyes, you look through them 99% of the time. Now I only notice my mild PT when things are quiet, and I write it off to ‘just another brain damage side effect’
Daoist saying: ‘When you are ‘sick’, do not seek a cure. Find your centre.. and you will be healed.“
Finding my centre is how I have got myself 4 years ahead of the BC reoccurance curve.
I noticed that my attention and learning abilities improve when I tap into the BHC-Energy.
I visualise BHC like a universe wide cosmic 5th dimension that we are all connected to, like the force in starwars. Also known as the Unified Field at the fringes of scientific understanding.
“Unified Field and the Quantum Field are seen as a way to connect with the underlying oneness of the universe. Practitioners may visualize these fields as vast, interconnected webs of energy that underlie all physical reality.”
Supposedly animals tap into this directly, humans used to be able to (third eye/pineal gland/intuition) but we’ve pretty much lost it due to becoming obsessed with technology and ‘stuff’.Our chats have helped me to ground myself. Helped me gather my thoughts for my next therapist session.
Klast
September 22, 2024 at 6:27 pm #438284anitaParticipantDear Klast: I am looking forward to read and reply Mon morning (It is Sun evening here).
anita
September 23, 2024 at 9:48 am #438298anitaParticipantDear Klast:
“I don’t touch alcohol much, because it will make the brain fog side effect, of my duty of care medication, even stronger… I drive a forklift every day at work. I know how strong the fog is because the couple of times I missed a dose, I had a minor headache but my thoughts were much clearer and stronger than normal. I feel like I am being chemically restrained from fully engaging in life, by a society that is fearful of the effects of my brain damage. Even if I change to another similar drug, my driver’s license would be taken away until the docs thought I was ‘safe’, which could end up being never“- I am guessing that no doctor or medical facility will support you in getting you off the medication because none wants to be made legally responsible if getting off the medication was to turn out badly for you, there’s a medical- treatment protocol that they are adhering to. I am guessing that if you want to get off the medication, your only option would be to do it without medical counsel and support..?
I was on 3 kinds of psychiatric medications 1995- 2013, including a very difficult kind to get off from: Clonazepam, which is a Benzodiazepine. My first psychiatrist (1995- 2010) gave me the prognosis that I will always need these (or similar) psychiatric medications. Half a dozen of serious efforts to get off those failed. Finally, I got help from a 2nd psychiatrist, and a therapist (2011-13) and succeeded. My thinking is clearer, the fog is gone, and my mental health is way better. I have11 years of psychiatric-medications- freedom. The only disadvantage is that ever since I stopped, I rarely sleep throughout the night, it feels like a miracle when I do.
“After my BC surgery, my medical team was legally supposed to have had my license suspended. Fortunately for me, they knew how hard it would be to get it back. So they trusted me not to drive, and didn’t notify the transport department. Something I am really thankful for. My current GP said that it was a massive breach of duty of care on their part, and they shouldn’t have done it“- that’s amazing, that your medical team was.. not afraid of legal consequences? I am glad that your D.L was not suspended because no one was hurt and it’s feels good to be trusted, doesn’t it?
“I got over that feeling when I started regularly diaphragmatic breathing, Its sort of like floaters in your eyes, you look through them 99% of the time. Now I only notice my mild PT when things are quiet, and I write it off to ‘just another brain damage side effect’“- I am thinking about cancelling the brain scan (yet to be made) appointment. Because let’s say an artery in my brain is somewhat blocked or twisted: what can be done about it other than brain surgery.. I don’t want a brain surgery for something people can live with, people like you.
“Finding my centre is how I have got myself 4 years ahead of the BC reoccurrence curve“- I hope that you can tell me more about finding your center means to you.
“I visualise BHC like a universe wide cosmic 5th dimension that we are all connected to, like the force in star wars…’… vast, interconnected webs of energy that underlie all physical reality.’ Supposedly animals tap into this directly, humans used to be able to… but we’ve pretty much lost it due to becoming obsessed with technology and ‘stuff’“- yes, I remember now: I too used to think of it as an additional dimension, a dimension that cannot be measured. How do animals tap into it..?
“Our chats have helped me to ground myself. Helped me gather my thoughts for my next therapist session.“- thank you for saying this. Typing out my thoughts in response to a quote from you, then quoting the next part and responding to it (before reading the 3rd), etc., makes it possible for me to think in an orderly way/ to process information.
anita
October 5, 2024 at 4:16 pm #438541klastParticipantDear Anita,
The only disadvantage is that ever since I stopped, I rarely sleep throughout the night, it feels like a miracle when I do.
Have you tried sleep aids like Ashwagandha, or Melatonin?
I am glad that your D.L was not suspended because no one was hurt and it’s feels good to be trusted, doesn’t it?
It is common knowledge that the transport departments standards to return to driving was destroying lives, especially when 90% of people need to drive just to go about daily living. the health system unofficially considers each patient on a case by case basis. Everything in life should be done on a case by case basis, but power and greed stop it from happening.
I am thinking about cancelling the brain scan (yet to be made) appointment. Because let’s say an artery in my brain is somewhat blocked or twisted: what can be done about it other than brain surgery..
My mother has had a benign brain tumour for decades, nobody has needed to do anything about it. If you get the scan you will at least be in control of what is going on, knowledge is power, and you can reject any recommendations they might make. They may not even need to do invasive surgery. You sound like my wife, she’d prefer to tough it out, than go through any unknown procedures or drugs. Mainly because she feels she wouldn’t be knowledgeable or emotionally strong enough to resist other peoples opinions on what she should do, “What if they are right?”. Lack of self worth.
I hope that you can tell me more about finding your center means to you.
Che sera sera “What will be, will be”. Worrying about something outside anyone’s control, like most others do in my situation; “My life will never be the same”, “My partner will reject me”, “what if _______”, is bad for metal health which is in turn bad for physical health. If others reject you for the situation you are in, they were never worthy of you in the first place.
Most people in my situation end up splitting from their partner because they start putting up emotional walls that push the partner away. “I am no-longer good enough for them, I am not who they thought I was, I have betrayed them” etc. I was aware of this so I made sure I didn’t. To this day we are over 20 years strong.I remember now: I too used to think of it as an additional dimension, a dimension that cannot be measured. How do animals tap into it..?
Animals know stuff about the world around us that we cant explain, yet. Evacuating the area before natural disasters. Then theres brain syncing just by looking at each other, humans do it all the time too, when interacting and when it feels like your being watched.
https://www.sciencealert.com/dogs-brains-sync-with-ours-when-we-gaze-into-their-eyes-study-finds
Living on a hobby farm I see animals out of range from each other reacting to each others intentions.
One of my dogs used to start banging on the back door in the morning, because I had just woken up in bed and hadn’t said anything to anyone about going for a walk to the beach, but somehow he knew. Another time I was patting two of our cows and while patting them I visualised a bolt gun at a meat works, immediately they both jumped away from me. Then there’s all the stuff about twins and close relatives I said earlier.makes it possible for me to think in an orderly way/ to process information.
I’m glad to help, life has been getting busy recently. I’ve been reading about Erik Erikson’s theory of psychosocial development, he was a peer of Freud and Jung.
https://www.simplypsychology.org/erik-erikson.html
I am struggling at stage seven, trying to get out of stagnation and enter generativity. You, my wife and my therapist are helping me in small baby steps to leave stagnation behind and become more generative (helping others, contributing to society and the next generation). Stuff my life long traumas have restricted me from doing so far. Turning my issues and knowledge into wisdom to help others.
My therapist doesn’t want to see me for a month now, which is good. He basically confirms my conclusions then adds more, or challenges me to think past my blockages.Klast
October 6, 2024 at 9:01 am #438550anitaParticipantDear Klast:
Good to receive another post from you, thank you!
“Have you tried sleep aids like Ashwagandha, or Melatonin?“- I tried melatonin and other over the counter/ herbal aids but they didn’t make a difference.
“Everything in life should be done on a case by case basis, but power and greed stop it from happening“- yes: power, greed and expediency. Online definitions: “the quality of being convenient and practical despite possibly being improper or immoral, The fact that an action is useful or necessary for a particular purpose, although it may not be fair or right”.
One form of expediency on a personal level is a person’s prejudices against groups of people: against short people, overweight people, handicapped people.. men, women, politically conservative people, politically liberal people, people of a particular race, etc. I want to fix my own personal prejudices.
I am thinking of the national and international misuse of power being on the economical-political level, and on the familial- individual level: a parent’s misuse of power against a child leading to a politician’s misuse of power against millions of people.
“knowledge is power“- I think that at times, in some contexts, denial is power. For example, when a person accomplishes the (previously considered/ known to be) impossible. Or when knowledge is too scary for a particular person to endure.
“Che sera sera ‘What will be, will be’. Worrying about something outside anyone’s control… is bad for mental health which is in turn bad for physical health“- very well said. I want to keep this in mind.
“If others reject you for the situation you are in, they were never worthy of you in the first place“- I don’t want to reject others for the situations they are in. I will reject some for how they respond to the situations they are in. I need not respond to a bad situation by creating a bad situation for another, or worsening another’s existing bad situation.
“Most people in my situation end up splitting from their partner because they start putting up emotional walls that push the partner away… I was aware of this so I made sure I didn’t. To this day we are over 20 years strong“- congratulations for 20 years strong, and a very good point!
“Animals know stuff about the world around us that we cant explain, yet. Evacuating the area before natural disasters…“- I want to read from the links you provided and respond further Mon morning (it is Sun morning here).
anita
October 7, 2024 at 9:28 am #438566anitaParticipantDear Klast:
First link: “Dogs’ Brains Sync With Ours When We Gaze Into Their Eyes, Study Finds”- dogs are as emotionally engaged as their human owners when petted or when looking at each other’s eyes.
Second link: “Erik Erikson’s Stages of Psychosocial Development”: I remember studying this in college. For me, the Trust vs mistrust conflict of the first stage ended with distrust, the autonomy vs shame/ doubt conflict of the 2nd stage ended with big-time shame and doubt, the initiative vs guilt conflict of the 3rd stage ended with big-big time guilt and a huge deficit of initiative, the industry vs inferiority conflict of the 4th stage ended not surprisingly, with inferiority.. identity vs confusion with confusion, intimacy vs isolation with big time isolation, and generativity vs stagnation, from age 30 and onward, I’d say 20 years were definitely stagnation. So, distrustful, ashamed, doubtful, guilty, inferior, confused, isolated and stagnated describe most of my life, sadly. But there’ve been significant improvements on all fronts recently.
Thank you for the links!
“One of my dogs used to start banging on the back door in the morning, because I had just woken up in bed and hadn’t said anything to anyone about going for a walk to the beach, but somehow he knew“- dogs hearing is way more developed than humans, could it be that he heard a change in your breathing as you woke up?
“Another time I was patting two of our cows and while patting them I visualised a bolt gun at a meat works, immediately they both jumped away from me“- I can’t imagine that they could see the image in your brain.. like mind-reading. I never heard or read that cows’ behavior changes on the day they are scheduled to be killed when there is no actual evidence of what is about to happen.
“I am struggling at stage seven, trying to get out of stagnation and enter generativity. You, my wife and my therapist are helping me in small baby steps to leave stagnation behind and become more generative (helping others, contributing to society and the next generation). Stuff my life long traumas have restricted me from doing so far. Turning my issues and knowledge into wisdom to help others“- thank you for mentioning me as a positive in your life (to whatever extent). I am glad that you are on the right path: from stagnation to generativity, turning your issues and knowledge into wisdom so to help others.. and that your therapist doesn’t want to see you for a month!
It’s been slow in the forums recently, but this is a place where you can try to help others by replying to other members who ask for help..?
anita
October 7, 2024 at 10:55 pm #438581klastParticipantDear Anita,
First I must apologise for what I said about how you sound like my wife. It came across a bit mean when I didnt really intend to. I think I got a bit overcome by the Messiah complex.
I’ve been a bit stressed since seeing my therapist, being given all these labels. My BP has gone right up and my GP is getting me to do a raft of tests and scans to eliminate any other physical reasons for my high BP. He put me on medication to lower it, which has a whole raft of side effects itself. It got as high as 150 over 110!.“knowledge is power“- I think that at times, in some contexts, denial is power.
I think of knowledge as unbiased facts as things are right now. However knowledge has no quantity or quality.
That’s why they say “A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing” because if you think the knowledge you have is all there is, things can end up going bad. “You don’t know, what you don’t know”.
Denial can put a quantity value on knowledge, there could be more knowledge(accomplishing the impossible).
It can also be qualitative, the knowledge could be declared not true(too scary to endure). This is when knowledge stops being factual and becomes lies, untruths. Trump likes to play around with this. Flat earthers etc. “I’ll believe it when I see it”I think everyone has a world view based on their nature(the qualities we are born with) and nurture(upbringing, education, experiences).
I think if people have bad nurturing in life, and their nature means they can’t make sense of their nurturing ,they will have a low resolution, granular black and white view of the world. My father was like this, we haven’t spoken for 20 years. I remember having a dream yelling at him “Shades of grey, Shades of grey!, things aren’t just black and white!”
Whereas if you are the other way you have a more colourful high resolution world view. You are more aware and accepting of its complexities both known and unknown.I’ve always had this desire to explore the universe to the fullest extent I can get out of it. Just like I have always felt all the bad things that have happened to me aren’t the be all and end all. I always had this seemingly unlimited wellspring of hope coming from somewhere unknown. Maybe its my physical and psychological arrested development that has blocked the sense of despair and hopelessness that others seem to be afflicted by. The whole power/greed dynamic.
dogs hearing is way more developed than humans, could it be that he heard a change in your breathing as you woke up?
Maybe he was extra observant, the other dogs we’ve had never acted like this.
I’ve always been good with wildlife, I can pick up non venomous reptiles and show them to others, pickup injured birds or other small animals.
One time someone gave us a large wild parrot with a broken leg, we put it in a cage and fed it for three months while it stood on one leg, then one day it lowered its healed leg. After that it would follow me around like a puppy.
People at work always get me to come and rescue some animals that has got itself stuck in a sticky situation.Of eriksons first 7 stages I am pretty much the same as you. The last line of the forward of that link says
“These stages, however, can be resolved successfully at a later time.”
This is what I think we have both been doing to varying degrees of success, playing catch up to be ready to enter the 8th stage. Accepting how life’s journey played out, all the good and bad, with or without regrets.
Although I do agree that the age boundaries Erik places are a bit strict.It’s been slow in the forums recently, but this is a place where you can try to help others by replying to other members who ask for help..?
Maybe, life’s been a bit intense recently.
Klast
October 8, 2024 at 8:27 am #438589anitaParticipantDear Klast:
“First I must apologise for what I said about how you sound like my wife. It came across a bit mean“- interestingly, when I read about me sounding like your wife, I found it endearing, it felt nice, not at all mean.
“I’ve been a bit stressed since seeing my therapist, being given all these labels. My BP has gone right up and my GP is getting me to do a raft of tests and scans to eliminate any other physical reasons for my high BP. He put me on medication to lower it, which has a whole raft of side effects itself. It got as high as 150 over 110!“- I am sorry that your blood pressure went up. I read (mayo clinic. org) that there are different levels of BP: Normal, Elevated, Stage 1, and Stage 2. Your reading of 150/ 110 indicates stage 2. For stage 1, a recommendation is to talk with a healthcare professional about taking one or more BP medicines. For stage 2, the recommendation is to take more than one medicines.
“‘A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing’ because if you think the knowledge you have is all there is, things can end up going bad… knowledge could be declared not true (too scary to endure). This is when knowledge stops being factual and becomes lies, untruths. Trump likes to play around with this. Flat earthers etc…“- excellent point, especially in this era of acute disinformation and misinformation. The former president is Mr. Misinformation.. Trumformation. I will think more about the too scary to endure truths in my life.
I thought that people who believed that the earth was flat no longer existed, not since the 20th century started, and then I met a flat earther a couple of years ago, a very memorable meeting. I was bamboozled.
“My father was like this, we haven’t spoken for 20 years. I remember having a dream yelling at him ‘Shades of grey, Shades of grey!, things aren’t just black and white!’ Whereas if you are the other way you have a more colourful high resolution world view. You are more aware and accepting of its complexities both known and unknown“- profound. Seeing the world as black and white is a way to reduce anxiety, a way to feel secure, confident, not confused. Colors are delightful unless they are too bright and hurt the eyes.
I haven’t spoken to my mother for over 10 years. When she was angry at me, she went on tirades where she portrayed the world as black and white: she was all good, I was all bad.. a very bad person with bad intentions and bad.. just bad. Actually, sooner or later, she portrayed everyone as bad, and herself: as their innocent, all-good victim.
“I’ve always had this desire to explore the universe to the fullest extent I can get out of it. Just like I have always felt all the bad things that have happened to me aren’t the be all and end all. I always had this seemingly unlimited wellspring of hope coming from somewhere unknown“- INSPIRING.
“I’ve always been good with wildlife… One time someone gave us a large wild parrot with a broken leg, we put it in a cage and fed it for three months while it stood on one leg, then one day it lowered its healed leg. After that it would follow me around like a puppy“- an endearing story!
“Of Eriksons first 7 stages I am pretty much the same as you. The last line of the forward of that link says ‘These stages, however, can be resolved successfully at a later time.’ This is what I think we have both been doing to varying degrees“- yes, we have this in common, resolving stages.. at a later time. Better later than never.
“Maybe, life’s been a bit intense recently.“- yes, better get your BP down before any new challenges. I am fine whether you choose to reply to other members or not. Either way is fine with me. I know quite a few people on BP medication which work well for them. I hope to read good news from you soon. By the way, I have an appointment for a brain scan in a couple of days.
anita
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