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November 15, 2024 at 7:15 pm #439419LouiseParticipant
And I agree with you with regard to the men I do feel like I am looking more for a caretaker now than a sexual or romantic partner. In fact, at the point when I left my home and started feeling bad those feelings that I had previously had for the other man kind of changed or stopped. At that point, my thoughts became more focused on my ex-boyfriend than on the other man. Which I think is clearly because my ex-boyfriend signifies security and Home to me. Whereas the other man doesn’t – He was the excitement that I was looking for which once I felt lost after leaving my home I didn’t really want the excitement anymore. If that all makes sense
November 16, 2024 at 6:31 am #439421Jana 🪷ParticipantHello again,
I am very glad that you have apparently found the core of the problem. Have you decided to take any further steps?
BTW, Anita you would be a great therapist, do you know about it? : -)
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November 16, 2024 at 10:56 am #439427anitaParticipant* Dear Jana: thank you for the compliment 😊
Dear Louise:
You are very welcome. “I am on the move, so don’t have a time to write a lot… when you say: *In all that is happening, it is most important that part of you (the adult part/ the parent part) practices empathy and compassion for the child part of you, taking her side, backing her up, advocating for her.* How do I do that?“-
-first, identify the child part (I’ll call her CP) vs the parent/ adult part of you (I’ll call her AP). The AP is the part that’s taking CP on the move. Maybe (I don’t know) CP wanted instead to write a lot, but AP told her something like: no, we have to go, we have to be on the move!
If AP says the italicized right above in a harsh tone, adding a shove, physically pushing CP along, adding an insulting word or words like: hurry up, you, lazy ***!- that’s abuse.
If AP says no, we have to go… in a gentle but confident voice, looking at CP with an affectionate smile, taking her hand and gently leading her along- that’s empathy and compassion.
If CP refuses to go along and AP shouts at and threatens CP- that’s abuse. If AP gently but firmly explains to CP: I understand that you don’t feel like going along, I understand that you feel like writing, but we have to go now. Later on, I promise, you will be writing more– that’s empathy and compassion.
“And I agree with you with regard to the men… my ex-boyfriend signifies security and Home to me. Whereas the other man doesn’t – He was the excitement that I was looking for which once I felt lost after leaving my home I didn’t really want the excitement anymore. If that all makes sense“- it makes sense to me: once you left home with no plans to return, you went back to being the lost, scared child that you were away from home, wanting nothing but to be back home.
I am re-reading your original and following posts (Nov 12-15), looking for Louise-the-child/ CP’s story. The boldfaced are your words. In parentheses are my words, my interpretations, correct or not): “Sorry if this is long (I shouldn’t be talking much about myself). I am feeling so lost… my mother died very suddenly and unexpectedly… I wanted to leave (my childhood home) and… have… freedom… I initially felt good but after only several days I was hit by feeling terrible, distraught that I had left my home and essentially made myself homeless, lost any sense of security… I feel completely lost and depressed… I think about contacting my (mother or father)… and asking if I can come back… I know our relationship wasn’t good but (I need a home). I know I have done so much wrong… I don’t know how to feel better… feeling in a panic about what I am doing with my (adult) life and wishing I could turn the clock back and go back to (childhood)… I just want to be back home… I need to stop beating myself up… go(ing) over all the things I could have done differently… it is a conflict inside me. The longing for freedom but then for security too… sorry my message is so long (I shouldn’t be talking so much about myself)… My parents argued and fought constantly. We lived in the middle of nowhere… I was dependent on my parents to drive me to visit a friend. So I felt very trapped in this place (home) where my parents were constantly shouting and screaming at each other. My father had mental health issues. But also as a young child, I would get very homesick if I went away from home even for a night. As a teenager, I had a lot of conflict with my parents and I did run away from home a few times… It is 3 am where I am. I cannot sleep. My mind is constantly full of these thoughts and just wanting to go back home… All I know is, I feel this desperate urge that I have to go back home… I feel in a constant state of panic… Sorry about all the strange symbols in my message.(I should be careful about what/ how I say)… Again, I woke up at 2 am With this terrible anxiety feeling and my heart pounding And I’ve been unable to sleep again… unable to relax… I just can’t imagine feeling any better… When I was a child away from home even for a night, I could remember I would cry all night Feeling so homesick and just needed to go home and see my mother (not my father). I am looking more for a caretaker now… If that all makes sense.“-
– Leaving your childhood home, as a child, even for a night, meant leaving your mother (you didn’t mention siblings) alone with a father with mental health issues, who was the one, perhaps, starting or causing all the arguing, fighting, shouting and screaming ?
I wonder if you felt, growing up, responsible for your mother, if you felt that it was your responsibility to be present in the home (as much as you wanted to not be there), so to protect your mother/ to calm down the turmoil (arguing, fighting, etc.)? I wonder if you felt that your life was about keeping her safe.
And recently, when she died unexpectedly, it triggered a childhood fear that you that you wouldn’t be able to keep her safe?
anita
November 17, 2024 at 4:41 pm #439450LouiseParticipantHi Anita, thank you for your reply.
It is interesting, but I don’t think that is the case with regards my parents. My mother would definitely stand up for herself in fact she would seem to be the dominant one. Whereas my father was more depressed and unhappy and anxious. That is how it seems to me anyway, but it’s just how I remember it. My mum could be quite angry and I think I still have a fear of people being angry with me. I was thinking this morning this thing I seem to regret a lot of decisions that I make The worst part of it is knowing that I’m going to be angry at myself about it and I think that in a weird way is what makes me anxious because I realise I’ve done something that I think might be wrong and then I just know I’m going to be angry and punish myself about it by thinking and thinking about what I did wrong so much and making myself really unhappy .
November 17, 2024 at 4:42 pm #439452LouiseParticipantI get stuck in a loop where is is like I’m Arguing with myself and trying to convince myself that what I did is not so bad, but then the other part of me is telling me I really messed up my life and did something terrible and I’m just going to have to think about it all the time now.
November 17, 2024 at 4:44 pm #439453LouiseParticipantI really up on and seem to absorb other peoples emotions, often thinking it is my fault if something is not right or they are in a bad mood. I think this is partly why I like to live on my own because I feel like I can just relax on my own. I hate when there is some tension in the house with someone else.
November 17, 2024 at 6:11 pm #439454anitaParticipantDear Louise:
“My mother...(was) the dominant one. Whereas my father was more depressed and unhappy and anxious… My mum could be quite angry and I think I still have a fear of people being angry with me“- so, your mother was The Angry One. My mother was an Angry Mother. Her anger at me, and at others, scared me because it had the threat.. and promise of punishment, of violence.
“I really up on and seem to absorb other peoples emotions, often thinking it is my fault if something is not right or they are in a bad mood“- afraid of others’ anger, as you were afraid of your mother’s anger?
Having an angry mother can be a deeply challenging and emotional experience for a child. It can evoke a range of feelings and reactions, including: Fear and Anxiety: Constantly being on edge, worrying about triggering her anger, and feeling unsafe in your own home, Confusion and Self-Doubt: Wondering what you did wrong, feeling responsible for her anger, Frustration and Helplessness: Feeling powerless to change the situation or make things better, leading to frustration and a sense of being stuck.
These feelings leave lasting emotional scars and affect one’s relationships and self-perception into adulthood. It certainly affected mine, big time. Does this resonate with you?
anita
November 18, 2024 at 2:08 pm #439488anitaParticipantDear Louise:
Louise: “My parents argued and fought constantly… I felt very trapped in this place where my parents were constantly shouting and screaming at each other… My mother… (was)the dominant one. Whereas my father was more depressed and unhappy and anxious… My mum could be quite angry and I think I still have a fear of people being angry with me“.
anita: The only memory I have of having two parents in the “home” (quotation marks because a home is supposed to be calm or joyful, but safe, always safe, and mine was neither calm nor joyful, nor safe) was a fight between them. I was maybe five: there was shouting, threats of suicide or homicide, or both, things thrown to the floor, breaking. I peeked through the key hole in the door that separated my small room from the living room where it happened. Then, my mother left the apartment, saying she was going to kill herself. I cried loudly, my father noticed and hit me with a belt, to quiet me down. It was late at night.
He left the apartment, perhaps looking for her, perhaps not. Alone in the now silent apartment, I gathered my courage and went looking for my mother, wanting to find her alive. I pretended I was in a movie, acting for the cameras, on an adventure in the darkness of the night.
I found her in the nearby street. There were other people there, awakened or alarmed by the noise. There she was: my mother ALIVE. I was so happy! I ran to her with my arms stretched to her, crying out: Mother, Mother, You are Alive!
I wanted/ expected perhaps that she will pick me up in her arms and be happy for me, happy that I was happy to find her alive. But she was not happy. She was Angry with me: Why would you think I wouldn’t be alive?, she asked accusatorily (maybe she was embarrassed about the people around.. accusing me of not being.. socially appropriate, I think it was). She didn’t pick me up. She didn’t hold me and she didn’t hug me.
This memory might be based on one event, it may be a few events merged into one memory. I was only five, or around that age.
My father/ the man in that event was gone when I was 6 or so, and I lived alone with my mother and a much younger sister. What followed was about two decades of living with a very angry mother who- without the presence of my father- repeatedly threatened suicide and homicide, killing me, that is, or in her words: I will murder you!
This was all a long, long time ago. More than half a century ago.
My body didn’t/ doesn’t forget. The uncomforted fear, repeating, ongoing fear, got caught in my brain-body in the form of the almost constant bodily tension involved in tics (Tourette Syndrome) and otherwise.. there’s hardly a single deep, slow natural inhalation-exhalation event. I am still holding my breath. Stress is palpable in my mind and body. There is an inability to connect pieces of observations/ information (ADD), and more.
There are consequences to terrifying the hell out of a child, again and again, without correction.
My mother suffered. She had a terrible childhood, and she ended up being a person with no heart for the girl she brought into this world. How do I have compassion for a woman with no heart for me..
This very morning, I was doing something and thought it might be disapprove-able, and I “heard” her scream at me, once again (ad again and again and again) voicing her disapproval of me. This is the legacy she left in my life.
I am telling you this, Louise, because I told you that I will share with you my experience which has similarities to yours. I tend to think that your experience was much milder than mine (from an adult’s viewpoint)? Thing is, it doesn’t take much (from an adult’s hardened mindset) to scare and traumatize a soft child: a mother repeated Anger is enough.
I hope that you are well, Louise. I figure this is all a lot for you, at this time. Therefore, please take your time before you reply- if you reply. Take care of yourself, empathy for yourself, be good to the little girl within you.
anita
December 1, 2024 at 12:59 am #439840EvFranParticipantDear Louise,Thanks for sharing your story. I can deeply connect with it as I am a traveler, I lived alone for a long time, I was in longterm and nice relationships, so I can maybe understand what you mean by your lifestyle.I can also understand your dilemma of going back to your ex to feel comfortable, loved and understood. But I think this might be a very important point in your life. This might be a crossroad or a turning point. Maybe it’s time to sit down and think and not make the same steps again. This situation might be a point where you can come over this terrible fear of insecurity, loneliness and all the negative feelings you might have. It’s terrifying, it’s horrible, it feels you won’t survive alone surrounded by that beauty. But I think it’s worth to wait, to force yourself to go for a swim or surfing or just for a walk in the forest. This might be a life changing situation when you can win over the fear of insecurity and don’t go back to your ex boyfriend. It would only delay something that you may have to face again later. If you win over this fear or feeling now, you will see that you can create your own financial security by working online or in the country where you are atm. You can also find comfort in nature or you can connect with strangers over a coffee or a drink. You can gain confidence.It’s not an advice it’s just my opinion based on my own life experiences. I have made this step: going back to a relationship because it gave me temporary comfort. Temporary. Emotional, financial, dosen’t matter. Since, I have been swimming in deep, unknown and frozen waters. And I know that things will be always fine, you find great people everywhere and being fully independent gives a strong feeling.This forum is great, Anita, Helicat, Roberta, Peter, Jana and wny others are always around to listen carefully and share their precious thoughts and knowledge whenever we need it.So whatever you decide, I hope that you will find peace and you continue enjoying your beautiful life wherever you go to. -
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