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November 13, 2024 at 5:42 pm #439373HelcatParticipant
This isn’t about guilt. This is about doing the right thing, caring about an ex-boyfriend by considering his feelings and not repeating your mistakes.
When you do the right thing you don’t have to feel guilty.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
November 13, 2024 at 6:22 pm #439376LouiseParticipantThank you, Anita. Yes, I think our messages crossed.
November 13, 2024 at 6:22 pm #439377LouiseParticipantI look forward to receiving more advice from you whenever you have the time. Thank you so much
November 13, 2024 at 6:59 pm #439382anitaParticipantYou are very welcome. Be strong, Louise, back to you in about 12 hours from now,
anita
November 14, 2024 at 10:46 am #439394anitaParticipantDear Louise:
About Louise-the-child & teenager: “My childhood home was very difficult. My parents argued and fought constantly.. We lived in the middle of nowhere, so I had no ability to get myself away from the home. I was dependent on my parents to drive me to visit a friend. So I felt very trapped in this place where my parents were constantly shouting and screaming at each other. My father had mental health issues . But also as a young child, I would get very homesick if I went away from home even for a night. As a teenager, I had a lot of conflict with my parents and I did run away from home a few times“-
– your childhood home was the birthplace of Conflict within you: wanting to be in the home (very homesick), and wanting to be out of the home (very trapped… run away from home).
As a child, living in the middle of nowhere, where nothing was happening outside the home, Little Louise wished and longed to live somewhere else, somewhere where things were happening, a place of excitement.
In the home, you were exposed to domestic war (parents argued and fought constantly… constantly shouting and screaming at each other). There were moments of lull in the home, maybe whole evenings, maybe days, and Little Louise felt some comfort and security, a sense of belonging and love, but war was just around the corner. From one point on, Little Louise no longer trusted home to be a place of comfort and belonging. It was a place of expected trepidation, a place to survive by being as numb and unfeeling to it as possible, as distracted as possible. But she remembers (deep inside, subconsciously, if not consciously) those moments of comfort, security, closeness and belonging.
“I have lost my mother and him in the last 6 months, probably the people I felt closest to and who brought me the most security in my life“- this right here is evidence that there were moments in that war-zone home, moments of comfort, security and belonging, moments when you felt close to your mother, moments when you felt security in her company. You crave comfort, security etc., in a home (your most recent, with your ex) because you experienced them in your original home, only too little, and in between long stretches of war.
“It is a conflict inside me. The longing for freedom but then for security too“- your adult longings are for: (1) comfort, security, belonging and closeness you experienced too little of in your original home, (2) freedom from the trepidation/ distress (negative kind of excitement) that you experienced a lot of, in your original home, (3) places of (positive) excitement outside the home, places over there, places of hope, places you longed for, as a child living in the middle of nowhere.
“Most my adult life I have been in relationships – I think they call it a serial monogamist. But at the same time people always think I am very independent as I go away travelling a lot on my own in an adventurous way. I also wonder if it is a case of the grass is always greener – I tend to crave excitement, especially in a relationship, and with travelling, and am easily bored. But maybe this is indicative of another problem and I need to learn to accept a relationship as it develops and becomes less ‘exciting’ rather than looking for something new, which I think is what I tend to do“- it’s the same Louise-the-child, trapped in the old home, in the middle of nowhere, craving .. something, somewhere, someone new. Home was a war zone, causing you a negative kind of excitement, leading to numbing/ dissociating- which feel like boredom. Hope to undo the boredom is over there where the grass is greener, a place of adventure/ positive excitement.
“For the past few years I no longer felt physically attracted to my boyfriend and I didn’t want any intimacy with him, or even physical affection… I know he wasn’t happy with this situation but he tolerated it. I would often spend a few months away travelling alone over the winter, which he also tolerated. On the last occasion I met another man. We started messaging each other and this went on for months after I returned home… My long term boyfriend asked me one day if I still wanted to be in the relationship with him as I guess it was clear I was very disengaged. I said no not really and proceeded to prepare to leave our home… I think about contacting my ex boyfriend as we are still in contact and asking if I can come back“- I was wrong yesterday to suggest that you contact him for the purpose of you receiving social support. He should be given a complete/ non-compromised opportunity to be set free from a failed relationship, and to move on.. to someone/ something new.
“I am still travelling – something I have always loved in the past – but I feel completely lost and depressed and unable to enjoy it“- completely lost because you don’t have a place where you can experience moments of what a home should be, moments you experienced too little of, moments you need.
“I also regret selling furniture of mine.. I keep obsessing over furniture I sold“- a feeling of home, of comfort and security, a sense of belonging and closeness, is associated with your furniture. You are obsessing about a feeling of home.
“Before we lived together I lived on my own for ten years, and I grew to really like it. For most of those years I was in the relationship with him and I liked that, living separately but seeing each other regularly. As soon as we moved in together I felt what I would say is probably a similar panic to what I feel now“- this panic is how it often, too often felt to be a child at home with your parents, trapped.
“The other man…“- the other man is and has been a distraction, distracting you from the boredom of living with your ex, distracting you from the feeling of being trapped with your ex. He is the greener appearing grass. I was wrong yesterday to suggest that you contact him for the purpose of receiving social support.
“The fact is now it feels really unbearable. It is 3 am where I am. I cannot sleep. My mind is constantly full of these thoughts and just wanting to go back home. It really feels like a crisis and in the moment I don’t know what to do… You may imagine I am younger but I am in my late 40s. I guess I have been like this my whole life and I have no idea where to start. All I know is, I feel this desperate urge that I have to go back home“- you are like a child being away from home, like a child suffering from separation anxiety, experiencing a range of intense and distressing emotions when away from home or from a primary caregiver: fear and Panic, Loneliness, Helplessness, Sadness, and more.
“There is a town I could go to in the country. I am in where there will be people that I know who I have met several times, spent time with and become friends with. I keep thinking I could go there maybe I would feel better“- this is a way, way better idea than to stay with your ex, or with the other man!
“But then part of me just wants to go home“- time to grieve the home you never had= a place where you felt adequately safe, secure, and taken care of, a place from which you didn’t want to escape. When you grieve it (it being what you didn’t have), you no longer believe it’s still there for you.
When you grieve the home you never had, you place that.. pretend-home in the past, and you make yourself free and available- not to a new distraction- but to a home, one that’s not a pretend-home for a while.
Talking about home, there is a book by the late John Bradshaw that comes to my mind, it’s called Homecoming. (Online:) “The book guides readers through a process of recognizing and healing childhood wounds by reconnecting with their inner child. This involves acknowledging past abuse or neglect, expressing repressed emotions, grieving unmet needs, and challenging toxic shame and guilt. By doing so, adults can develop healthier patterns of behavior and relationships”.
I personally exited my childhood with severely unmet emotional needs such as safety, closeness, belonging.. love, and with toxic shame and guilt, and repressed emotions, my inner child as dissociated as can be, and so, I continued to be an anxious, repressed child throughout decades of supposed-to-be adulthood. As an adult, I looked for a caretaker, a parent.. wanted my childhood to be redone, but redone right, this time. An impossibility, as we can’t move backward in time. I will tell you more, if you would like, but this post is long enough as it is and there is a lot in it to process as is.
I hope to communicate more and more with you over time. How are you feeling today/ tonight?
anita
November 14, 2024 at 1:59 pm #439398LouiseParticipantThank you, Anita. Everything you say really rings true, I agree with it all.
I am still feeling awful. Again, I woke up at 2 am With this terrible anxiety feeling and my heart pounding And I’ve been unable to sleep again.
I know deep inside you are right about both of the men. I am just so scared I’ve never feeling okay again. And I don’t know how to feel okay. And I don’t know how long I can go on feeling like this only sleeping a few hours a night and just crying and feeling anxious and depressed most of the time and unable to relax.
I guess I don’t even know where to start because I am so tired and I can’t think very straight. Because I am travelling, it is constantly about having to make decisions and think what I’m doing and I just don’t have the energy.Anyway, sorry for all the complaints and thank you for your insight.
November 14, 2024 at 2:05 pm #439399LouiseParticipantCurrently, I’m finding it impossible to imagine not having my old Home to go back to. Wow, I really had no idea That this was going to hit me in this way once I left I honestly don’t think I’ve ever felt so bad in my life. I’m a bit worried I am going to make myself ill.
November 14, 2024 at 2:22 pm #439400LouiseParticipantIt’s exactly as you say this separation anxiety. Like I used to have when I was a child. I feel like a child again. But now there is no one to help me or make me feel better and I know I’m an adult and I should be able to just deal with this. But it is not that easy at all, it feels insurmountable at the moment and unbearable. I just can’t imagine feeling any better.
November 14, 2024 at 2:46 pm #439401LouiseParticipantWhen I was a child away from home even for a night, I could remember I would cry all night Feeling so homesick and just needed to go home and see my mother. It’s my age, but it’s exactly how I feel now. And what I am doing now. Except that there is no one to call and no one or nowhere to go back to. It really feels overwhelmingly terrible. Like I just don’t want to live my life anymore. I feel ashamed to tell anyone about this how I am feeling and what has happened. Because I said I was going off to travel, although I have ended up in this crisis. I could go to this town where my friends are but they are only people who are there temporarily over the winter and I will just be staying in a hotel. It’s not somewhere where there is really a home I could rent or somewhere I would want to stay longer term. It is hard for me to express how bad I am feeling at the moment. I just don’t want to do anything or go anywhere.
November 14, 2024 at 6:03 pm #439405anitaParticipantDear Louise: as bad as you’ve been feeling recently, you will feel better. This feeling badly is not forever. I’ll writ more tomorrow.
anita
November 15, 2024 at 5:05 am #439410LouiseParticipantThank you Anita. I look forward to hearing more from you.
November 15, 2024 at 9:52 am #439411anitaParticipantDear Louise:
You are welcome. This will be another long and thorough post, maybe the longest that I will submit to you. I understand that you are so very tired, so please take your time reading, take notes perhaps (it helps me process information), and take breaks when needed:
“I am still feeling awful. Again, I woke up at 2 am With this terrible anxiety feeling and my heart pounding And I’ve been unable to sleep again… I am just so scared… I don’t know how long I can go on feeling like this only sleeping a few hours a night and just crying and feeling anxious and depressed most of the time and unable to relax… I am so tired and I can’t think very straight… it feels insurmountable at the moment and unbearable. I just can’t imagine feeling any better… It really feels overwhelmingly terrible. Like I just don’t want to live my life anymore“- First, I appreciate you sharing how you feel here, on your thread, because telling someone- be it online- is better than not telling anyone. Sometimes, just talking to/ communicating with someone you trust can help alleviate anxiety and loneliness, and you can trust me: I care about your well-being and will continue to communicate with you accordingly. And I am not a newcomer to the forums. You can find my posts on these forums since May 2015 (mostly under an old account, but almost always signing out my posts with my name).
Professional help will be best for you at this time. I am not a health-care professional of any kind, can’t make medical/ mental-health diagnoses and can’t offer treatments based on diagnoses or otherwise. But there are professionals who can do these things. I understand that you are travelling, but if it is possible for you to see a professional at this time, it will be best.
* A professional would be a physician to assess your symptoms, rule out any underlying medical conditions, and refer you to specialists if needed.
Specialist are therapists who can provide talk therapy, such as Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), which is effective for both anxiety and insomnia, and psychiatrists: medical doctors who can prescribe medication for anxiety and sleep disorders. Sleep Specialists are medical professionals who work in sleep centers and focus on diagnosing and treating sleep disorders, including insomnia. They may recommend treatments like CBT for Insomnia (CBT-I), which is a structured, evidence-based approach to improving sleep.
* When traveling or otherwise unable to see someone in person, online therapy platforms and support groups can provide access to professional help and peer support.
* There are mental health apps designed to help manage anxiety and depression, like Calm, Headspace, or BetterHelp, which offer resources and support.
* There are mindfulness exercises and the closely related grounding techniques that you can do on your own as ways to manage anxiety. Two effective grounding techniques are: (1)- the 5-4-3-2-1 Technique: Acknowledge five things you can see around you, Acknowledge four things you can touch around you, Acknowledge three things you can hear, Acknowledge two things you can smell, Acknowledge one thing you can taste, and (2)- Deep Breathing: Inhale deeply through your nose for 4 seconds, Hold your breath for 4 seconds, Exhale slowly through your mouth for 6 seconds.
* For immediate support, crisis hotlines are available 24/7. They can offer immediate assistance and connect you with local resources.
* And of course, you can always post here on your thread, and I promise you that my replies to you, as a fellow, non-professional member, will be empathetic and not judgmental.
Back to your recent posts: “I know deep inside you are right about both of the men“- I think that at this time, the child in you (aka inner child) is looking for a caretaker.. not for a romantic/ sexual partner. I believe that you need to take care of, and honor the child-within, to not to compromise her, if you know what I mean..?
“I am travelling, it is constantly about having to make decisions and think what I’m doing and I just don’t have the energy“- is there a way for you to settle down for a while, somewhere?
“Currently, I’m finding it impossible to imagine not having my old Home to go back to. Wow, I really had no idea That this was going to hit me in this way once I left I honestly don’t think I’ve ever felt so bad in my life… When I was a child away from home even for a night, I could remember I would cry all night Feeling so homesick and just needed to go home and see my mother“- notice that you wrote that you don’t think that you’ve ever felt so bad in your life, but then.. you did feel so bad, as a child away from home. It’s just that you forgot for a long time how you felt back then..?
From online: “Experiencing feelings of regression to a childlike state during middle age can be a complex and deeply emotional process, often linked to unresolved childhood trauma or stress. This phenomenon, known as emotional regression, can manifest as feeling overwhelmed, acting in ways that seem immature, or experiencing intense emotions that don’t match the current situation. Common Triggers: Stressful Situations: High levels of stress… Trauma Reminders: Encountering situations or people that remind you of past trauma can trigger these feelings. Relationship Dynamics: Interactions with family members or close relationships can sometimes bring out these regressive feelings”-
– you shared earlier that when you moved in with your boyfriend, when you started to live with him, you panicked: this seems to have been a change in the relationship dynamic with your boyfriend (living with him) that brought back how you felt living with your (arguing/ fighting/ shouting) parents. And seems to me that no-longer having a home base with him was a trauma reminder situation, causing an emotional regression to the time, as a child, when you were away from your home-base at the time (your parents’ home).
Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (C-PTSD) results from chronic trauma, which includes ongoing exposure to stressful and harmful situations. It can be caused by living in an environment with frequent arguing and shouting, especially if it occurs over a prolonged period. This can lead to symptoms such as emotional dysregulation, negative self-beliefs, and difficulties in relationships. If you ever get diagnosed- by a professional of course- with C-PTSD, treatment for this (widespread) condition is available, and it includes some of the above mentioned.
In all that is happening, it is most important that part of you (the adult part/ the parent part) practices empathy and compassion for the child part of you, taking her side, backing her up, advocating for her.
In the next post, I will share about parts of my experiences that are similar to yours (similar, but not identical, of course).
anita
November 15, 2024 at 12:52 pm #439416anitaParticipantDear Louise:I view these forums as a self-help opportunity, an opportunity for me to help and to be helped. Not all of my many thousands of replies through the years have been helpful, and some were harmful. I wish that here, and in real-life, I’ll be helpful all the time, or at least, never harmful. But that didn’t happen yet: only yesterday I said something to someone (in real-life) that was unkind and I regret it. I am quite frustrated by it, and angry at myself.But this is key: for me to be more helpful, and/ or least harmful (zero harmful will be best, of course), my anger at myself needs to be temporary. This anger carries a message, and that is: I need to heal further. I need to heal what’s behind the comment I made yesterday to the person I talked to, as well as to apologize to him when I see him next.As I do all I can, in this post, to heal and correct, I should forgive myself (switch from anger to empathy for me).So, here I go, and thank you for reading (you are part of this):My mother taught me to hate people, to suspect people, to think of people as bad-intentioned, selfish, users, the haves who are taking from the have-not (herself). The repeated pattern was: she’d have guests over. She’d serve them food, most expensive foods (at times of great inflation, when she worked physically hard for money), she’d flatter them, be as nice.. no, more Nice than one can imagine, syrupy-sweet. Nauseatingly (for me) sweet because when the guests left, and behind their backs, of course, she’d share with me how terrible those people are, how they use and take advantage of her, how she is poor and they are rich, and yet they take away from her, eat food that she pays for, the most expensive food she offers them.. how fortunate they are, how unfortunate she is.. and yet they TAKE AWAY from her, giving nothing in return.And yet, the visitors came back and she did the same things, syrupy sweet offering them expensive foods and flattery.This has been the ongoing theme, day after day, year after year. I think that I was a teenager when I offered her: Mother, I can tell them to go away, I can tell them that they are users, I can do the right thing for you!Her reaction: “I will kill you (or murder you, I forgot which word she used), if you do that!So, I didn’t. I sat quietly during all those visits, watching the (perceived/ believed) injustice quietly, saying nothing, but raging internally.Fast forward, at times, that internal rage- when triggers by perceived-maybe people being users, unfair- the rage finds its voice.. only at people who although imperfect, and surely need to improve.. are NOT the people my mother presented to me.There’s another thing that’s part of the complexity: trying to support my mother, to be on her side, I had to be against all the people (everyone) she complained about, all the people she portrayed as selfish, users.. bad people. I couldn’t take both sides, it was one side OR another. Saying anything positive about someone else (her alleged users) meant betraying her.Fast forward, I am sitting with two people in real-life and I find myself saying something unkind to one, so to be kind to the other, as taking sides has been ingrained in me as a show of love or support to one side (although the two sides in front of me are not warring sides).Back to my mother: she didn’t reward me for this loyalty, as I was one of the others, in her mind, bad like the others.Time to end this pattern: time to not be rude to one person so to be kind to another. This strategy failed when it came to my mother and it fails now.She maintained her sickening and extreme people-pleasing behaviors by depositing her rage into me, and this rage- her rage deposited within my brain- is the reason I get so angry at people any time there is a potential- however remote- possibility that they may be users, including times when they are good people who give and have good intentions.Enough for now. I hope the above sinks into me.Back to self-compassion, the last point in my post I submitted to you 3 hours ago: the child in me wanting to fight for my mother, to prevent her from being taken advantage of, to protect her from being used.. this was/ is a good child, a good girl who loved her mother and would have done anything for her mother, a (misguided) loyalty. A good girl who needs my (adult part’s) compassion and understanding.anitaNovember 15, 2024 at 1:48 pm #439417anitaParticipant* I realize that in the above post, i did not share a similar experiences to yours, as far as I know (I got sidetracked). I will share similarities in a later post, Sat, I am guessing (tomorrow).
anita
November 15, 2024 at 7:12 pm #439418LouiseParticipantHi Anita
Thank you for your messages. I really appreciate you sharing your story.I am on the move, so don’t have a time to write a lot. I will come back to it. My only question was when you say: *In all that is happening, it is most important that part of you (the adult part/ the parent part) practices empathy and compassion for the child part of you, taking her side, backing her up, advocating for her.*
How do I do that?
Thank you very much
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