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  • #62779
    Lasse
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    Hello
    I’ve checked out nearly every blog on this site about these three subjects. I’ve recently felt compelled to seek out advice about them, I’m a very self destructive person and have been since I was about 8-9 years old (I’m now 29). Back then I was bullied relentlessly for years and to cut a long story short, it is the root cause of this behavior. I’ve found anger to be somewhat comforting, it makes me feel less like a victim. However it has taken it’s toll on me, I’ve destroyed myself physically and mentally over the years and can’t seem to stop, it’s just more drugs, more bad food, etc. I think I have reached a point of no return and have made peace with the likelihood that I will die much younger than I would have liked.

    I tried to forgive, so many times, but I just can’t, it is simply impossible, even with the logic of all the blogs I have read here about forgiveness, I know you are all right, and yet it’s still impossible. So I’m at a loss, my depression grows by the day, sometimes I find myself thinking ‘I only have to wait till my parents pass away, then I can finally just end it’ (I couldn’t do that to them while they are alive). Other times I revel in revenge fantasies, I found myself writing to one of them through social media, letting it know exactly what I thought of it, and the coward responded by calling the police on me.

    Despite all this, there is a tiny part of me that thinks I can still turn it all around and lead a better life, it seems like such a far off and near impossible goal, but it is there somewhere, and that’s why I’m writing here, not sure what I expect in terms of replies, but any are welcome.

    Bye for now

    #62795
    Big blue
    Participant

    Hi Lasse,

    I will not pretend to understand your condition because while I was seriously neglected as a kid, I was not bullied.

    I had a moment of insight as I digested your words. It seems you are living really way, way inside your head. I have been there so I do get what that’s like. Is this you? If so, what can you do?

    Get out and meet as many people as you can. Ask them their story. Really be curious and ask questions. What brings them joy? What are their struggles? Their demons? Were they bullied? Neglected? Abused? Hurt? Ask. Travel places. Ask.

    At the same time on this journey, start doing self-care. This can start small. Eat some nutritious food. Take a long walk. Get a haircut. New jeans. Accept a compliment with a thank you. Bit by bit do things that help you.

    Please think about these ideas and try them. They will make you uncomfortable. That should be expected so accept that and go for it.

    Big blue

    #62804
    The Ruminant
    Participant

    Hello Lasse,

    I’m so sorry for what you’ve had to go through and what you’re still going through. Do listen to that tiny part in you that says to not give up. It’s saved me many times and eventually life did turn around. I was also self-destructive, all the anger had turned inwards.

    Essentially, according to my own experiences and belief, you’re stuck because of a hyperactive defence mechanism that was built with the intention to be able to cope with the bullying, but now it’s destroying you. That is one way of looking at the ego: it’s purpose is to consolidate your inner world with the outer world, but things can go totally wrong in that process. It can tell you a lot of crap about what you are, for instance being a victim. Being a victim in a situation is an event, not an identity, but still people can take on these labels and carry them around throughout their lives, whilst resenting the labels and themselves in the process. You as a person are not defined by the events in your childhood. Now you’ve first taken on the belief that you are a victim, and then you fight against in anger. So the cycle both starts and ends in your own mind, but isn’t the actual reality.

    For now, don’t worry about forgiving them. That’s my personal opinion anyway. When you feel better about yourself and safer and more content, the forgiveness will come naturally. It’s like grabbing onto something. Right now you’re not able to let go out of fear that you would forever be a victim if you do so. When you truly understand that you’re much stronger than you give yourself credit for and you’re able to feel like you’re standing on firm ground, then you can let go. Having said that, letting go and allowing yourself to fall deep isn’t going to kill you either. That’s one way of getting the release and finding your own wings, but if it’s too hard, then there is another way to get there.

    You need a lot of love and care right now, so allow yourself that. I like the suggestions given by Big Blue for getting outside of your mind. Being stuck in the mind, going through these things is like a personalised torture chamber, where you keep poking your deep wounds. Don’t poke the wounds. Tend to them. Stop all the hurtful words that spawn in your mind. Don’t listen to them. Interrupt them or just allow them to dissolve. Words hurt and keep you as a prisoner more than you might realise, and words are the only way for you to live through past experiences and narrate them for yourself in the same time. To live through what happened and why and so on. The consolidation of the events. Unfortunately this process produces more false ideas and keeps you away from the reality, which is that actually, you survived. You went through hell and survived. Diamonds form under pressure. You just can’t see it yourself just yet.

    So essentially two things that I would want you to do: one is to stop the self-torture through words. If you can’t think anything nice about yourself, don’t think anything at all. That gives you a break from the poking of the wounds that just produce more and more anger and hatred. Secondly, actually practice self-love. Accept that you are loved. That is one of those things that is surprisingly difficult. To accept love means to bare oneself completely and accept yourself as you are. That means being vulnerable and open, and that’s not going to be easy and it’s impossible while you keep attacking yourself. Imagine that there are deep festering wounds within, and you have to start tending to them, or otherwise they’ll just destroy you from inside out. If you saw someone else with such wounds, you’d stop and help. So do that to yourself. Asking for help here is one way of doing self-care, so kudos for that.

    Please do keep the interaction going and reach out to others locally as well. Now is a good time to start the healing process and deal with the issues spawning from the past for once and for all.

    #62818
    Big blue
    Participant

    “If you saw someone else with such wounds, you’d stop and help. So do that to yourself.”

    Awesome!

    #62821
    Will
    Participant

    The Ruminant speaks wisdom.

    There is no such thing as a point of no return unless you are actually dead. You are not dead. You live. And you can move towards being kinder to yourself, to turning your anger into constructive action, learning about letting go of the past and your anger.

    It’s not going to be easy. But I don’t see that you have an alternative.

    #62831
    Rose
    Participant

    I, too, have lived self-destructively. I have lived with the victim mentality for a long time, and I am just now truly making the effort to take responsibility for my own life. The thing is, as a child, you could very well have been a victim. Children do not have nearly as much control over their lives as adults do. That being said, you are an adult now. Now is the time to take responsibility for everything that has happened, everything you have done, at least since becoming an adult. By doing so, you no longer have to be a victim. You acknowledge that you made mistakes, and move on from them. I agree with The Ruminant about not seeking forgiveness at this time. You cannot control how people will respond to your apologies/confrontations, and right now, their responses (should they turn ugly) could result in a further desire for self-destruction. Maybe once you have generated more self-worth, you will be able to handle it better.

    I recently began reading a book that my counselor recommended to me that has completely changed my view of life in general. If you choose to read it (I found it at my local library), keep in mind that your brain will resist at certain points (at least, mine did) because you may still have the instinct to blame anyone and everyone else for how your life has turned out rather than admitting responsibility for your actions. It is important to keep an open mind. The book is called When Anger Hurts: Quieting the Storm Within by Matthew McKay. It is a little old, but the advice is gold.

    Also, I don’t know if you already do or if you feel this is an option, but I have been experimenting (with my doctor) with anti-depressants over the last year. I think it helps the way my brain processes things so that I don’t anger so quickly. One of the main points in the book I mentioned is “trigger thoughts” and how to stop them from making you angry, stop them from even happening period. An anti-depressant can help you think more clearly and more positively.

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    #62839
    Lasse
    Participant

    Thank you everyone for taking the time to reply to me, I never speak about these things to the people in my life right now.

    I have read carefully all of your responses and I see a lot of wisdom in them. The biggest challenge for me is my own self worth, I’ve been in this mindset so long now that I can’t even remember anything else, and for the longest time I never even realized what I was doing until a family member pointed it out to me recently. It will be a while before I can silence the negativity, I’ve always validated myself through others, I still have trouble believing that people even acknowledge me in my absence.

    I will try to implement your suggestions as best as I can, even though my mind is telling me i will fail again, I will start out small. As for antidepressants, I have been on sertraline for almost half a year now, it helps with my anxiety but does little else, it works better than citalopram though.

    Again, thank you everyone, until next time

    #62843
    chupacabra
    Participant

    I appreciate this post. I’ve been accused by my wife of being “angry” for years and this has made me angry… frustrated. I too share a similar experience growing up even though I am ~15 years older – picked on for years.
    I never considered this could be a root cause. Perhaps it is. Perhaps she has been more tuned in and accurate on that call than I care to admit. Your post… it’s gotten to me. I feel this pain also.

    #62861
    Scuttle
    Participant

    Hey Lasse. Your subject line caught my attention. I was where you were for such a long time. I’m only 27, but I still felt like I lived in the pits of hell for eternity. I can feel your pain, and I can only hope that it gets better for you sooner than later. It takes a lot to work through these feelings. I held onto every little thing that happened to me for as long as I could remember. I still have some days where I have issues working through resentments of my past, but I find a way to get through it. I turned to drugs and alcohol for years. It was the only thing that could help me (or so I thought) escape from the reality that I never wanted to be apart of. It numbed me. Though I made a TON of terrible decisions while in my addiction, I found a way to chase the pain away even more. I’ve been sober for 15 months. It’s seriously turned my life around. I don’t know where you’re at on the scale, and I’m not trying to sell it on you, but it has worked wonders for me. I am breaking my anonymity, but I am program. It was a total character reformation for me. It did more than just keep me away from the toxic shit I was doing to my body, but it helped me get through all the pain. It helped me work through my hate, my lack of remorse, my resentments, and thirst for wanting to die each and every single day. I guess my point is, if you do feel like you have any sort of problem with drugs, give meetings a try. Even if not, they have groups for EVERYTHING. They work if you lay all your willingness on the floor. Pain doesn’t diminish over night, but with earnestness, it can wither away. I also got really big into pilates, kickboxing, and working out in general. It channels so much of my inner aggression out while giving me empowerment. Another thing that has aided in transforming my warped thinking is writing. I’ve been keeping journals for years, but for the past year and a half I’ve learned how to write about the GOOD things in my life. Gratitude for the smallest things. Hot cups of coffee, showers, electricity. Sometimes I have to come up with the weirdest stuff to be thankful for to start my day off on the right foot. It definitely also helps to have a friend to hear you out in times where you’re feeling like this. Someone who understands where you’re coming from. On top of that, I even recently started reading up more on Buddhism after I read a book about AA and Buddhism (12 Steps On Buddha’s Path). It made me realize what a beautiful philosophy it is. It made me feel better knowing that people actually live their lives under this code. It definitely also helps me minimize the suffering in my life. Meditation was REALLY hard for me to get into the groove with, but once you have that moment where you really feel beautiful inside, it’s the most amazing feeling in the world. I know this was a novel to read, but that’s what really helped this girl through some extremely dark and scary times in her life. I need to keep practicing these routines to this day to ensure I don’t fall back into the masked monster I once meandered with throughout life, waiting for my end. Again, I really hope things perk up for you. Hang in there. Know this stranger is sending you some good vibes. Smile. It’s hard sometimes, but it looks great on anyone’s face!

    #62868
    The Ruminant
    Participant

    How wonderful to see so many people coming together here, having also seen the dark side of humanity.

    Regarding silencing the negativity, I’ll share the way I learned to do it. I was told by someone that I have to stop talking and thinking badly about myself and that I was no longer allowed to do it. I agreed to do so. To me it became almost like a game of where’s Waldo 🙂 Every time I realised that I was starting to speak ill of myself, I interrupted those words. They popped back again, I interrupted them again. Every time I noticed that happening, even when I was being kind of sarcastic which was supposed to be “funny”. I had promised to do this, and I was going to keep my promise. I hadn’t even realised how much I had put myself down. When you have a negative belief of yourself, it comes so naturally to put yourself down that you don’t even notice all the ways you’re doing it. Yet, I kept on interrupting my inner nemesis. And just like when you are trying to tell someone something and they keep interrupting you all the time…my nemesis started to quiet down and kind of forgot to say those things anymore.

    The way I felt after I had been doing that for a while was so liberating. Like I had been carrying these heavy chains around me the whole time and I started to feel so much lighter. I had no idea that words could carry so much effect on how you feel.

    I started to expand this interrupting technique to other things as well, when I just wanted my mind to quiet down for a moment. Regardless of what kind of chatter was going on. I just allowed the words to dissolve into thin air and I just tried to focus on my senses and my surroundings. Kind of like DIY meditation practice 🙂 I still do that and it’s a wonderful way of getting a short vacation from hectic life. Now I have this safe place where I can go to and relax for a while. It’s safe, because what are fears other than thoughts that keep popping into your head?

    I also went to meetings. Again suggested by the same person who told me not to speak badly about myself. This was for friends and family members of alcoholics (my father was an alcoholic). I pretty much went there kicking and screaming. Not literally, but I didn’t want to go. I thought it was really stupid and unfair that because of other people’s behaviour when I was a child, now I had to sit in a stupid meeting and seek forgiveness for my actions. But it did help in various ways. It was good to see my own behaviour in other people. You’re kind of blind to yourself, but when you see it in others, it becomes more clear.

    Letting go of anger and resentment really isn’t easy and it requires so much humility, but it is so worth it. I would never want to go back to where I was a few years ago. Now life feels vivid and I enjoy even the smallest of things. I’m still learning how to take care of myself, but at least I feel like I deserve to be taken care of. The anger and resentment are pretty much gone. Not completely, but that’s OK. What I’m trying to say is that while it is a long road and you’re not going to be magically transformed overnight, every little bit of light and love that’s allowed back into your life will nourish you and you’ll get stronger, and every time you manage to slay down the negative words and thoughts that keep you down, you’ll be more uplifted and stronger again.

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