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February 12, 2018 at 1:20 pm #192099AnonymousGuest
Dear Jennhy Lynn:
It is his persistent, paranoid behavior that is so alarming to me. In the past you described a few things that I considered a problem, his passive aggressive behavior, him seeing offense where there is none. But what you described in the post before last is most alarming. He thinks of you at times as guilty, as one cheating on him, hurting him and he checks on you, presently and for a while, daily, it seems like. He is in the habit of checking on you. What happens when in his mind he gets The Proof that you cheated on him, that you did him wrong. How will he respond…
You don’t want him to catch you in the act- in his own mind, nothing to do with reality. In the act of cheating on him. You heard what people do “in the heat of passion” when they catch their significant other cheating on them, correct? Well, because of his paranoid behavior, his daily habit on checking on you, in his mind, he may be catching you in the act of cheating on him, and then…
I would say, yes, as soon as possible, leave under the supervision of someone who can protect you and take a restraining order against him. This will improve your chances for safety.
Write me anytime, I will stay by the computer for half an hour or more, waiting.
anita
February 12, 2018 at 1:57 pm #192103AnonymousGuestDear Jenny Lynn:
You described before how much he loves you, and that, at the time, was a positive thing in my mind, that he feels so intensely about you. I hoped that you and him can engage in a Win-Win relationship. But the new information I have, or the new information I am now aware of is that on a daily basis and for a long time he is looking for evidence that you are cheating on him or otherwise doing him wrong.
He is busy looking for evidence, and because he is looking, he might find it. Not real evidence as I trust you are loyal to him as you have been to every boyfriend before him, but as it reads somewhere: “seek and ya shall find”.
He may not behave violently when he finds what he is looking for, but he might. It is not unheard of that people not violent before act violently when they find out that they were cheated on, or otherwise betrayed.
The intensity of his feelings for you, viewed in this light, is not a positive thing.
Will be back (after a short post I will do next) in about fifteen hours or so. Take good care of yourself.
anita
February 12, 2018 at 2:00 pm #192107Jenny LynnParticipantI am going to try to respond without feeling like I am sticking up or making excuses for anything. Just providing more clarity.
I know I distributed quite a lot of information to you all at once. It is what has stretched over the past 10 or so months of our relationship.
With that being said I find the things to be more sporadic than persistent. Like of those 7-8 things the vast majority occurred before my breakthroughs with you and probably only 1-2 are things that still catch my attention now. But mostly I ignore him…
He doesn’t check my phone everyday. Its been probably 3 times, he doesn’t hide it from me or anything. I actually look at his phone more than vice-versa.
He doesn’t make me feel like I should be alarmed. This triggered my anxiety a little because I had to question my sanity momentarily. I am never afraid of what he will do, or anything like that.
Even with the Hunt situation, I never felt afraid. Worst case scenario with him I have always felt was he would just leave and I would never see him again. Truthfully. That’s the thing that lingers in the background with him. Not “oh he might do something to me”..more like “he may leave and I never see or talk to him again”
The least thing I ever feel from his is threat…never
Also my “guilt” in his eyes. Sometimes I think he is more afraid to be wrong about who he thinks I am than anything.
btw: definitely talk me out of this crap. I’m just talking about alternate perceptions now.
Sometimes I think he is scared…scared that he loves me and is wasting his time. I understand it slightly cuz we both know I am a little fickle but like 1-10, 10 being the highest I would say he is at 5/6 of not trusting me. I can tolerate the actions of about a 3/4.
That’s only because of what I went through with John. So I understand what goes on in his head sometimes I relate and I empathize. He doesn’t directly accuse me of things though. But I almost can wrap my messed up head around the idea of kind of checking for yourself to see if the person you care about is really for you. I did it. I didn’t tell John but I did it. But it was after he gave me small reasons to start to question his trust.
I am not perfect nor have I been perfect whilst being in this relationship. There were times I was deceptive about where I was and what I was doing…before we were officially together yes. But I did. I think he felt that coupled with how we originally started dating and the Hunt thing. Sometimes I just feel like he is “checking his investment.” for lack of a better phrase. But its my exact reasoning I have when I scan thru his phone every once in a while. I KNOW he isn’t doing anything but let me just see. Just to make sure. That’s what I say to him.
But he has never given me a reason to not trust what he does…
I think he’s just a hypocrite really and a brat. Used to getting what he wants. He was a only child at the beginning of his life till almost 10 I think. Me and his mom talked about him once, kind of like he is just really hard to please sometimes and once his mind is set…THEY are really alike. I have noticed from getting to know her and hearing her talk about other things and people in the same way he does.
Like I said I am not trying to say anything that’s has been done is ok. But since I gave that side I almost feel the need to give the side he would if he was talking too. and the part of me that loves him and sees the best in him….
But what you said really has my mind consumed.
February 12, 2018 at 2:01 pm #192109Jenny LynnParticipantOh well your second post kind of addressed some of what I said in the above response. But I will chat with you tmrw.
February 12, 2018 at 2:05 pm #192111AnonymousGuestDear Jenny Lynn:
Double posting. Read some of what you wrote above, will read better tomorrow (losing my focus).
Hope you read my post above. You do look at situations in the best possible light, joking, making light of things, but this reads serious to me. Think about it, be careful. Will be back in about fifteen hours and hope to read from you by then. Take care of yourself, pay attention.
anita
February 13, 2018 at 4:22 am #192165AnonymousGuestDear Jenny Lynn:
I read both of your longer posts from yesterday attentively. You wrote in your second post that you are not afraid of Glen, “worst case scenario with him I have always felt was he would just leave and I would never see him again”.
You wrote that these behaviors you listed occurred within a ten months period, “more sporadic than persistent, and “only 1-2 are things that still catch my attention now. But mostly I ignore him”.
You wrote that the two of you look at each other’s phone, sometimes openly. In addition to looking at your phone he did a search history on your Facebook without your knowledge as well as looking at photos and videos in your Ipad without your knowledge, on both occasions accusing you of things. He hid your bathing suit, counts how many showers you take, woke you up in the middle of the night interrogating you, hangs up the phone on you when he gets upset.
This is where it gets (and stays) creepy for me:
1. He drove/ drives by your current workplace to check on whether your car is parked there, where it is parked and figure whether you moved your car during the work day. You wrote: “I went home early and not say anything (to him) and he will text me like he already knows that I am home”.
2. He parked his car and watched you at your former work place. You wrote: “At my other job I clearly remember these weird times where he would literally watch me… as I walked out the building I looked over and I saw his car… I would get out of the building start walking and he just appear when I am almost at my car and sometimes be mad… he literally waited til I was in the car and turned out to pull up next to me and tell me I didn’t call him yet.”
3. He checked/ checks the locks of the door to check on you, whether you left the home “by how many or which lock is locked..then ask me about it to see if I lie”
You wrote: “I don’t know the line between checking up on and WATCHING someone. But I find that sometimes he just has more information that I remember giving him or didn’t give him at all.”
because you ignore him and don’t pay as much attention to what he does than he pays attention to you, maybe you are not aware of how often he performs the behaviors you listed. Also, you shared before that you spend almost all your time when not working, at home, with him. In case you do go out in the future, with friends, more often than you do now, his activities may escalate then.
This is my suggestion: check his criminal record, what is public record, check whether he was charged with anything relevant and whether he received a restraining order before by an ex girlfriend, maybe.
Also, do a research, starting maybe with the police, regarding whether there is basis in reality to being alarmed by Glen’s behavior, especially #1,2 and 3. There are professionals out there, criminologists who study these things. No one can predict the future, of course, but there are statistics as to the behaviors often precede violent behavior.
And then you can make better informed choices.
anita
February 13, 2018 at 8:10 am #192213Jenny LynnParticipantOkay. I re-read all 3 of your shares to bring it all together for me again. I am exhausted (I started a baking business, trying to do something for myself 🙂 ). Once again my responses are all based on providing the full picture to the best of my ability not sticking up or making excuses *if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck*…(Side note: I would like to feel like this would be easier if I was speaking in person. But then again words are words so.)
As far as devices overall he does not look at them without me knowing. He does it in front of my face. I have my phone with me 95% of the time. Him looking is something I can count on one hand in a year, total. I actually am the one who looks at his phone without him knowing…(oops) but yea as far as him he does it while I am around. He does however over exaggerate the things..
But yes, I am confident in the fact that I am not in any danger. He doesn’t touch people, but especially women. Someone would have to punch him in the face for him to hit another person. He is a real stickler for personal space and boundaries especially with women. He doesn’t really even like it when I stand close to him in arguments.
I have looked him up in detail tho. I do that with all the guys I date after I really dated someone who lied about who they actually were. The guy ‘who forgot my birthday’ lied about his real name. (You don’t even have time for how I found that out. Three words: ON THE NEWS) But back to the point; according to our city records he is a regular 28yr old male who used to get a lot of speeding tickets and has resided here his whole life. Other than that, no type of charges associated with any weird business.
Bathing suit, I never asked him about it. I honestly do not think I could have any reason for it to have ended up there. But I didn’t ask him. so still…*DUCK* (unless I ask)
Showers, I don’t think he counts my showers as much as he notices things that are out of routine for me. He is on details like things regular people just don’t think about. Like taking 2 showers. I shower once a day or every other day. He actually takes 1-3 showers a day so I used to think that’s why he paid attention. But its not something he says everyday. Its probably happened 2 times. So I don’t know; that one may just be something I may take a little out of context. He really may just generally be inquiring. But I am a defensive person, its my first reaction to everything to defend myself.
The waking up thing; with that his rationale was (because he actually stated why), he said “Because I was sleep and had a dream about _____ and something you had told me & it just woke me up out of my sleep.” Could he have wait till the morning? Yeah..so *QUACK*
But to your big 3 list:
1. Yes the first part is what I collect from what he has said to me about it. I don’t know if that is his true intentions however because I haven’t ever discussed it with him.
The ending is truthfully an assumption of mine. I just feel like what he is asking me is just ironic because I actually would be home and he would be saying like “oh are you home yet?” But it would be 30-1hr before I would actually have gotten off but I left early. He was working then though and I go to work at a different time every day (a range of 2 1/2hrs) that happened maybe twice.
2. I would find it weird!, like why not just pull up? Still slightly a assumption on my part; because I never asked he may say he didn’t even get there till those times because he was working then too. The first time I did know he was needing to be downtown and when it would be; because he had to get to the court house before it closed and I worked downtown but he didn’t. But his mom lives downtown so he is in that area multiple times a week because he does stuff for her a lot. But I got off different times everyday then too.
3. The locks on the door. That caught my attention just because I didn’t understand why even mention it. Like he had neverrr said anything like that before. To me I almost wanted to be like “Did you hear what you just said? Like to a regular person who doesn’t care or pay attention to every detail; do you know that sounds weird!” I think he said something though because like I had told you I didn’t leave the house all day because I was baking 6 dozen cupcakes and in the midst of that I asked him to bring me like 5 things (food, beer, cupcake liners, water, something else too). So now thinking about that, this is the only one I want to say I am probably wrong because I think he just was thinking “Why were you telling me to get you stuff if you went somewhere?”
Those first 2 are important things though. Admittingly I don’t like feeling like someone feels they have to check up on me. Do you think I should bring it up? Considering as I said I don’t think I am in any danger, confidently. Maybe I should tell him how those grouping of actions make me feel, coupled with what he says. “You make me feel more watched than watched over sometimes.”
Last quote…”they say when you hear hooves think horse…not zebra.” (I.E don’t over complicate things)
So I am not trying to manifest a Zebra. I just want to say it all because I woke up quite distressed about this today. Among a few other stressors. He really has been amazing these past months. Other than a hiccup or so. Even yesterday and over the weekend he was just so attentive and kind and sweet knowing all that I had to get done. So I have to do devils advocate and give some perspective other than my take.
As I am sure you know by now that is just who I am. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. But I feel like holding stuff in is so draining and I really haven’t ever even expressed this aloud or through my words on a computer. I need to get it off my chest in order to process it with full detail. In my head I only toss around my perspective but being forced to type and read words about the context of what I felt I just wanted to stop having to think about it in the back of my head. Like in a state of self denial. That’s how I felt not saying it.
I will be awaiting your reply.
February 13, 2018 at 8:35 am #192215AnonymousGuestDear Jenny Lynn:
Good that you checked his criminal record, a good practice.
I am not clear. Maybe you can help me understand by answering with less words, less details and as clearly as you can:
In your mind, as you see things, is there a significant and ongoing problem with Glen, like him being paranoid, looking for evidence that you cheat on him, that you lie him?
Are you experiencing distress about being watched by him, accused of stuff, living like a suspect under the supervision of someone watching and eager to point to you where you are guilty…?
Are you distressed by #1, 2 and 3?
anita
February 13, 2018 at 9:29 am #192229MarkParticipantI wonder Jenny Lynn, are you still in love with you ex? I have not followed all of the back and forth between you and anita but I wonder if you have resolved the original issue that you posted on?
Mark
February 13, 2018 at 9:50 am #192233Jenny LynnParticipantI think it was significant then; when we conflicted more. But I still see it as something that is on going cuz it still occasionally comes up in our lives.
I feel like in order to truly see if what I am saying goes to that magnitude I have to kind of test it & see if what is occurring here is a real issue.
Over the next 2 months (Lease is up April) That’s what I will do. That’s what I wanted (In peace between me and him not bickering everyday). To figure out if I want to continue to give my time and life to him. Like you said he isn’t my husband.
I want to talk about it with him. Let him see how this looks to me.
But “Are you experiencing distress about being watched by him, accused of stuff, living like a suspect under the supervision of someone watching and eager to point to you where you are guilty…?”
In regards to NOW, I don’t feel that way. When things were more hostile it did cause me distress, that’s why I was so fed up. Over all our relationship then was exhausting.
Now, I just think he does too much sometimes. A little too emotional.
I just have to see things for what they are and make a educated decision in a few weeks.
February 13, 2018 at 9:53 am #192235Jenny LynnParticipantMark,
We did get into that originally.
Kind of came to the conclusion that ..No I don’t think I am still in love with him. But maybe just idealizing the nostalgia of our relationship (as if that’s all there was) when I was conflicting with my current partner.
February 13, 2018 at 10:10 am #192243MarkParticipantThanks for explaining that Jenny Lynn.
So now the discussion on this posting is about your current partner, Glen? Whether or not you want to stay with him?
It sounds like it’s not healthy in what I read from your posts.
Mark
February 13, 2018 at 10:16 am #192245Jenny LynnParticipantYeah basically that.
It was unhealthy in the beginning. We both admitted to that. In 2 fold responsibility.
Now, I was feeling like things were really changing. I’m wondering based on the response, does that matter.
Has too much happened…
February 13, 2018 at 10:21 am #192247AnonymousGuestDear Jenny Lynn:
You plan to evaluate the relationship over some time, to talk to him, and to figure out if to end it or to continue. If the lease is up April, two months from now (less if it is April 1), then your evaluation will have to be in the next few weeks or so, so that you will be able to take the steps needed to either live on your own or renew the lease/ move elsewhere with him, correct?
I was wondering, did you discuss your relationship with Glen with your friends, and if so, what is their input?
anita
February 13, 2018 at 10:40 am #192253Jenny LynnParticipantYes, The lease is over on April 13 actually. & Correct to the end part too. Setting my taxes aside just incase I need that money.
Yes I have talked to them:
“N” overall thinks we are good together. She knows how he gets sometimes cuz she was actually my roommate for a year and a half. So when me and him started dating so they were around each other a lot. She has also witnessed every relationship I have been in including in depth John because we lived together during that too.
“L” is my friend that knows the most stuff about me and my complex feelings in the kind of the way I talk to you. She thinks he overreacts to things that don’t matter. But she says she cant say much because that’s how she is. They are REALLY alike its weird. She said she thinks I care about him more than anyone else she has seen but it wouldn’t surprise her either if (in some time) we broke up. They have met a number of times. She thinks he is a good person tho. She was glad to hear things were going better.
“A” who is my internally best friend even tho our relationship is a little strained right now. Overall she wasn’t around enough to have a true opinion. But I think she doesn’t like him because she thinks me and Leo are a friggin Disney movie. But as well they have this weird unspoken tension between them. They don’t really care for each others company equally I see it in both of them she was at my house Saturday her and “J”.
“J” is my gay bff and he thinks that he’s overly sensitive but really likes him overall as a person. They really get along.
“C” she thinks he is good to me and that she thinks he could be the one but she also lives her life like “everything happens for a reason and everyone comes in your life for a reason” mantra
My brother thinks he is the best, & the best thing that has ever happened to me and quote “if I let him go I would be the dumbest person on the planet because he tries really damn hard.”
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