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    Liz8
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    This is very long, but there is a lot of history here. I’ve tried to include the pertinent details while making this as short as possible. I have been in an on/off relationship with a man for 4 years. We’re in our late 30s and both have been married before. I thought he’d be mature because he’d been married for so long (18 years) but as he’s really only dated his ex-wife and a couple other women before me, perhaps he’s not very mature when it comes to serious relationships. We moved in with each other after a year, shortly after I was diagnosed with a chronic illness, which significantly reduced my ability to go out and enjoy un activities with him, and physical intimacy. A year later, I received a message from a woman he dated before me, who said he’d cheated on me with her. He insisted he’d not so much as touched her and went to her house to talk a few times when he’d told he he was at work late. I broke up with him, and we resolved things a month later, when I started to have an improvement in my health.

    A year after that, my curiosity got he better of me. I looked at his phone and found a sexually suggestive text he sent her during the time form the previous year. Twice over a few months, he insisted they’d only talked. The second time, I confronted him about the text, and he told me he hugged her, like he often hugs his friends. Each time he’d lied to me after we resolved things, I lost a little bit of trust. I decided I’d had enough lies (he’d lied to me about little things before that) and, due to my health as well, I decided to move far away 6 months later. He seemed agreeable to my decision and didn’t protest until about a month before my move, when he asked me not to leave and professed his love for me. By that time, plans already were in motion, ad I left. We remained in touch and didn’t specifically speak of breaking up or staying together, but a few months after I left, I found out the ex-girlfriend contacted him and he responded to her. I told him that it was over between us, as he obviously has no boundaries with women who are not his significant other and my health had declined again, so I wouldn’t be a good partner for him.  I didn’t want things to be over between us, but I wanted him to be honest and open with me.

    We continued to communicate and I missed him terribly over the next 2 months, especially as my health continued to decline. He’d assured me that he was not interested in any other women, though he was going out often to “keep himself busy” and his mind off of me. Due to my health, I wasn’t able to do the same, nor was I interested in meeting any men, as I still loved him and wanted no one else.  A new woman had been very active on his Facebook page for the previous couple weeks. When I’d asked who she was, he responded “a friend from game night”. I replied I think she likes him and he said, “I guess” and changed the subject. A couple weeks after that, it was obvious that they’d gone out. I confronted him about it and he admitted he’d been seeing her for the previous 3 weeks and it was “casual dating”. I was quite furious as we’d communicated daily, he considered me a good friend, and he’d lied to me, again. Prior this point, I’d decided to return to the place I’d lived previously, and I’d hope he and I could be together again. He said that he had no idea that I was moving back (I’d mentioned I considered it two weeks prior) and that he wouldn’t have pursued anyone else if he’d known he had a chance with me again and that he would break it off with her immediately if I’d take him back.

    After many emails, over a couple weeks about three conditions that I needed met in order for me to be with him again (if it was in fact “Casual” with the woman and he hadn’t had sex with her, honesty and openness from him, reducing his drinking), it came out that they’d had sex, which is not “casual dating” in my mind. My first inclination was that being intimate with him again after he’d been with another woman repulsed me and I wouldn’t be able to accept that. Then, after prayer and meditation on forgiveness, I decided that it was self-righteous of me not to try to move past it, and I agreed to resolve things with him (4 months ago, as he had promised to make effort toward the other conditions). After much contemplation, I agreed to move back in with him, as it logistically and financially would be best for me, and he had asked me to. This was 2 months ago, after we’d had a wonderful week-long visit where I live. Last week, he shared some news that not only had he received a DUI 6 months prior, it was his second one (I didn’t even know he’d had a first). The next day, I told him I had to end our relationship and I wasn’t going to be moving in with him. I felt I’d put up with too many lies and secrets over the years, and I thought that we had everything out on the table 4 months prior, which was not the case.

    He’s told me he feels that I’ve overlooked all the positive things about our relationship–that he’d lied only because he didn’t want to burden me more than I already was burdened with my illness and trying to work while ill, that he’d lied to me because he didn’t want to me to think poorly of him, as he tried to present him to be the man I deserved and he felt I wanted him to be, the fact that he was loving, caring, generous, and a good provider. He felt that we should go to counseling as we’re not getting and younger and we’d planned to grow old together and he thinks it’s short-sighted to throw the past 4 years away, which were mostly happy, when I wasn’t ill and I didn’t know he was lying.

    I don’t know if counseling would be worth it. Is it worth trying counseling if right now I feel I can’t move past the fact he slept with another woman? Because I love and care for him and want the best for him. I’m inclined to let him go. He said he’d be willing to forgo physical intimacy because we are compatible on so many other levels, but I feel that isn’t fair to him. I don’t want to be someone who resents the fact he sought happiness with someone else when I told him I couldn’t be the one for him, and I don’t want to hold him back from having sex that he desires (which he obviously does, if he had it with the woman he met just one week later, and can’t have with me often because of my illness or, because it repulses me after he’s been with someone else).  I don’t want to prevent him from doing fun activities, and I also don’t want to resent that he may go out and have fun while I am home, ill. He says he thought he’d have more time to prove to me that he is changing and that I can trust him to be transparent and honest. But how long am I to wait for that and how many chances am I to give someone who has lied and withheld information from me, repeatedly?

    #208325
    Liz8
    Participant

    I neglected to mention that 4 months ago, when I told him I needed to know everything that had happened with the ex-girlfriend, he admitted that he’d kissed her, though he insisted at least twice that he’d not even touched her, and one additional time that he’d only hugged her. He says that he’s reluctant to be open with me because I react so quickly when I feel I’ve been wronged. I admit that I’m quick to take action and cut things and people off. I deal with frustration and repeated disappointment by removing myself from the situation or other person.  (After finding out about lies to me in the past 2 years and secrets about his past before we met, I feel like I am not making a rash decision, but protecting myself and removing myself from an unhealthy pattern of deceit.) After the first break up, the following day, I realized that I had overreacted (medication for my illness affected my personality in a bad way) and asked him if he’d be willing to go to counseling. He said no, that he didn’t think counseling would be helpful, which I felt devastated to hear.

    I feel like I’ve given him so many opportunities to demonstrate he is transparent and honest…all he had to do was tell the truth. I become more upset each time because I have made it explicitly clear that I need and want complete honesty and not only has be done things that anyone in a relationship would be upset with, he’s lied and doesn’t come clean about what has occurred until he’s confronted (other than the DUI situation–I’d have found out when I move back if he hadn’t told me before). I feel like we should’ve gone to counseling after our first break up when I still had quite a bit of trust in him…now my trust in him is almost non-existent after additional lies and his DUI disclosure. I’m tired of getting the truth revealed to me in little bits and pieces over months or years, and then I still wonder if it is the entire truth.

    I’m happy for him that finally he’s committed to reducing his alcohol use and getting help in his attempt to make positive changes in his life. I’m afraid that it may be too late to save our relationship, no matter how compatible we are and enjoy each other’s company and have common interests. I feel somewhat sad that he could be very happy with another woman instead of me in the future, after he’s gone through self-improvement, but I’m not sure if I should go through counseling with him if I’ve lost so much trust and if I feel so disgusted about physical intimacy, in addition to feeling like I would be holding him back due to my illness.

    #208339
    Mark
    Participant

    Liz8,

    You are asking if counseling is worth it?  Absolutely for you.  You are continuing to let yourself be duped by this man, keep coming back to him.  Counseling is an avenue for you to understand why you keep betraying your integrity and dignity by continuing to have this guy in your life.

    I go to that common definition of insanity, i.e. If you keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.

    Mark

    #208349
    Airene
    Participant

    Hello Liz8,

    I agree with Mark, 100%.  Your guy might be the nicest guy on the planet, and you might be compatible in 99 ways out of 100, but he is not capable of making a commitment.

    If you were to continue a relationship with him, you absolutely need to accept that a) he has a drinking problem and b) he will be involved with other women.  Can you accept the relationship on those terms?

    Airene

    #208357
    Liz8
    Participant

    I don’t want to continue betraying my integrity and it bothers me that he seems not to have the integrity to be honest when I tell him it’s of the utmost importance to me. I’ve told him over the past few years that I’m concerned about his drinking, and he always justified it in the past (his doctor says he’s in excellent health, he didn’t think it was a problem because he didn’t get much push back from me). He tells me he’s now committed to reducing his drinking and that he’s going to start going to counseling.

    What would be different this time is that we would be going to couples counseling to address our issues directly with professional guidance. I think we needed it long ago, but, he’s willing to put the effort into couples counseling now. He vows he’s committed to making it work between us and needs a little more time to regain my trust.

    #208367
    Liz8
    Participant

    Thank you, Airene and Mark. You both are right. His latest efforts are too little, too late. He needed to be willing to go to couples counseling after the first time he betrayed me, after our first reconciliation.

    I just don’t want it to be true that there’s no hope after all the enjoyable things we’ve done together and ways he has been supportive and loving to me. I’m tired of failed relationships and am not ready to resign to another failed one, because it’s the last one, though I will.

    #208395
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Liz8:

    At this point, in your mind, he is guilty-until-proven-innocent. This is an almost impossible position to be in, for him and for you.

    To gain your trust in him may be impossible, even if a regular daily confession time is scheduled, a time every day when he reviews the events of the day with you, pointing all out for any possible misbehavior on his part.

    I was wondering, what do you believe is his motivation in pursuing a relationship with you for as long as he has?

    anita

    #208411
    Liz8
    Participant

    Hello Anita,

    He is a determined type of person who tries everything he can to keep his word and make things right. We did intend to marry and he still wants to if we can work things out. That would be very far off, but he wants the opportunity to make concerted effort toward a successful relationship. I believe he is sincere about this. The things he lies about are shameful things, or things he thinks would hurt my feelings, that he doesn’t want to admit. I’m afraid of trying and failing but it either way it goes, I figure counseling could be only helpful for both of us.

    Thank you,

    Liz8

    #208415
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Liz8:

    You are welcome. Reads to me that there is a good chance that this relationship will  work out well. I hope the counseling you attend is of quality and that it will help a lot.

    anita

    #208569
    Liz8
    Participant

    Thank you, Anita.

    I hope for those things, too. Last night I was prepared to tell him it’s over; all I was willing to be is his friend. I couldn’t do it. Though I’m not certain if I still want to marry him some day in the far-off future, I am certain that I’m not ready to be (and would not be content with being) strictly friends.

    I appreciate your insight and wisdom.

     

    Liz8

    #208667
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Liz8:

    You are welcome. No need to rush and figure if you should marry him “some day in the far-off future”. Take care of the near future, taking every day as an opportunity to learn and understand better, which is what good counseling will promote. Post again anytime.

    anita

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