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February 6, 2019 at 8:43 am #278973AnonymousGuest
Dear Hella:
“I feel in a way less entitled to harbor these feelings”- but you are entitled to harbor the feelings that you experience. We are emotional animals, we can’t help our emotions. We don’t choose them, any more than any other emotional animal.
Our emotions don’t or shouldn’t pass a test of entitlement, doesn’t matter if we knew better before getting involved with someone, doesn’t matter if it is a sister or parent that did us wrong compared to a stranger.
There is always a valid message in what we feel and that message should be listened to. Once we listen to that message, once the emotion successfully delivered its message, the emotion will quiet down.
It is the same as this: an animal feels hunger, it eats, the hunger quiets down. The animal feels fear, it runs away from perceived danger and arrives at a safe destination, the fear quiets down, and so forth.
If you want to examine the valid message in your anger toward your sisters or toward this man, please do and I will try to help you doing that.
anita
February 6, 2019 at 8:59 am #278977HellaParticipantAnita,
You are right, we don’t choose our emotions. One thing I am having trouble with when moving forward is the fact that despite all, I am not sure he is NOT the one for me. Just because it didn’t work out doesn’t mean the connection we had wasn’t amazing. It scares me to move away from that into something less amazing, and/or not knowing if there is anything better in terms of chemistry and fun. I guess that’s why it bothers me so much that even though he felt intense emotions (I know he did, he let me know many times and it was kind of evident), I still wasn’t good enough for him to be in a relationship with and he would rather be with someone else that he already had developed a connection to previously. And the only thing I get from that is that it wasn’t enough for him. Which to me translates I wasn’t enough for him.
February 6, 2019 at 9:16 am #278983AnonymousGuestDear Hella:
Maybe it is not that you weren’t enough for him. Maybe you were too much for him. What I mean by it is that many people don’t feel comfortable with intense emotions, they rather be calm than excited. Maybe he chose this other woman because she doesn’t excite him that much.
You wrote that his girlfriend lives in another country, therefore his relationship with her is long distance. It may suit him, the distance, this way he gets to be cool, literally cool, not hot with emotions, with excitation.
It is a possibility, what do you think?
anita
February 6, 2019 at 9:34 am #278989HellaParticipantAnita,
Yes, I think that could be a possibility, she doesnt require a lot of work or attention etc etc… So I am probably just banging my head against the wall. It’s who he is, and I have been hoping that he could be different because we had such an intense connection. It just makes me sad that he wasn’t willing to do more for us to work.
February 6, 2019 at 9:38 am #278993AnonymousGuestDear Hella:
Tell me more about that intense connection, how was it different for you than any other connection you had before?
anita
February 6, 2019 at 3:43 pm #279057HellaParticipantAnita,
There were some things that were different with him than others before him. He was the first guy of my age, from the same country who had also travelled and lived abroad, had the same outlook and ambitions, curiosity about life and other cultures. We just clicked on spontaneity, wanting to go out and socialize and I guess got hooked on curiosity about each other. We met through a friend/acquaintance group and we kind of took it slow, had a long flirt before something ever happened between us physically. Not to get too romantic, but it was almost like we already knew about our mutual like for each other before articulating anything and yet it was so fast. Like mentioned earlier, I was a bit slower to act on anything, while he was ready to go quite fast.
He is also special to me because he was the first person I shared sexual experiences with with such mutual attraction and intimacy. It was always special to me to be with him, and I always felt very vulnerable with him because of that. I guess I thought I had found something that would last way way longer than it did because of these factors.
February 6, 2019 at 5:22 pm #279081MarkParticipantHella,
It seems there are several things going on with you: 1) your sense of betrayal and anger towards your ex, 2) the common social group that embraces him which reminds you of your anger because they don’t know the “real” him and that his gf is part of this same group.
It sounds really hard to move on since he and his girlfriend is ever present in your common social group. I can understand the anger since he not only broke up with you for a girl that he never really seemed to have left, he took away your social group as well. Plus you are angry because he never took responsibility for his part that contributed to your pain.
Did I get that right?
Mark
February 6, 2019 at 11:25 pm #279101HellaParticipantHi Mark,
This is all true except for the girlfriend who is not part of the group. She lives in another country but they visit each other (as I understand it). So yeah, it is hard to move on, I feel like I need to recreate my social life in so many ways. I always feel uncomfortable when he’s around in common circles but now I also have to fear that she’s going to appear somewhere with him as well. I don’t think he understands the kind of domino effect he’s created. I’m the one that has to change my life on so many levels, whilst he just lives on.
February 7, 2019 at 5:03 am #279135ValoraParticipantHi Hella,
I apologize if you’ve answered this question before, I haven’t read through every comment, but were you both in this same friend group before you started dating? and if not, was it your friend group and he then integrated into it?
February 7, 2019 at 5:16 am #279139HellaParticipantValeria,
No worries. No, I would say we both integrated into it before we started dating. So by the look of it, it was an equal starting field, whereas now it’s absolutely not. He owns it.
February 7, 2019 at 5:41 am #279143AnonymousGuestDear Hella:
I ask because there is more for me to understand. I don’t always feel comfortable asking questions but there are times there is no other way for me to understand enough:
The group may not know much if anything about the on-again-off-again two year relationship between you and him, but they do know about the few months official part of your relationship with him, correct? I mean, didn’t you and him present yourselves as a couple for a few months, in the past?
Also, what is his narrative, what he has been telling the group about the nature of his relationship with you?
anita
February 7, 2019 at 5:52 am #279145ValoraParticipantNo worries. No, I would say we both integrated into it before we started dating. So by the look of it, it was an equal starting field, whereas now it’s absolutely not. He owns it.
I think what you’re feeling is normal and I can understand why you are feeling upset…. but the thing is… what you are going through now is the downside of the risk you take when you date someone who is already in your friend group…. and that’s not entirely your ex’s fault. You seem angry with him because he hasn’t reacted in a way that you feel that he should have reacted, but, in truth, he’s his own person with his own perceptions and he’s under no obligation to react any certain way. If he moved on fairly quickly or is acting differently than you thought he would, he likely just thinks differently about the whole situation than you do. Sometimes our expectations of people can mess with our feelings… we expect things we maybe shouldn’t or people surprise us in the way they react/respond and it makes us feel bad… and then our own perceptions of how things should be when we aren’t accepting things as just being how they are can make us feel angrier.
I think it might help you work through this if maybe if you reframe the situation in your mind to accept more of the responsibility for how you’re feeling rather than saying HE made you feel this way, because you are also part responsible for what is happening now for choosing to date within your friend group and you’re also responsible for how you perceive things (and usually it’s our own perceptions that play into our emotions)… so you might be really angry with yourself for putting yourself in this position in the first place. Right now, you two are broken up so he is under no obligation to make anything better for you or to remedy any domino effect you feel he’s created (especially since he might not feel the same). He is absolutely entitled to just go on living his life however he pleases… so in order for you to feel better, you’re likely going to have to take ownership of your feelings and accept things as they are. Accept that, although he may own the group right now, you could change your feelings on that if you maybe shift your focus off of what he is doing and instead focus on building your relationships with the people in the friend group without any focus at all on him, and that should hopefully lead to you naturally regaining equal footing with them… or you can find a new group entirely if you don’t feel that will work for you or it’s not something you want to do.
I want to add that I know it feels AWFUL when people don’t react in the way it seems they should or when it seems like you get the raw deal while they don’t seem to suffer at all. It’s enough to make anyone angry! And I’ve definitely been there, too. But there comes a point where, when you’re tired of being angry, just accepting that you can totally take control of how you feel by shifting how you perceive the situation, that nobody really owes you anything in terms of a reaction, no matter how close or connected you were in the past, and that’s okay… that sort of helps to release the anger.
February 7, 2019 at 10:21 am #279233AnonymousGuestDear Hella:
I may not get more answers from you, so I re-read your posts and formulate my best understanding of what is happening. Reads to me that the main thing that has happened is that you experienced a deep, emotional/ physical connection with him that meant a whole lot to you, that has been very special to you. What followed was your experience of him betraying this very special connection.
The extent of your hurt over this betrayal is enormous, and so is your anger. It feels like a great injustice that keeps happening, an injustice that goes on and on and on.
It is “as if things never happened between us”- your experience of a very intimate, very special connection is being ignored, discounted. This is infuriating.
“he doesn’t offer any kind of clear explanation or even empathy”- he allows this great injustice, this betrayal, to go unexplained, unattended to. Not even deserving empathy.
In his presence and in the presence of the group of people, you “have kind of been blurred out and disappeared”, your innermost, most intense feelings ignored, discounted, unattended to, as if they meant nothing to anyone.
Your “visceral anger towards him” is about being ignored, discounted, as if “what (you) are going through is not important”.
“Even though I hate him now, he was once very close to me”- the intensity of your anger toward him is proportional to the extent of your connection with him, the connection, or love that you felt with him.
It enrages you that he categorizes you “as an ‘other”‘ in front of the members of the group while you remember so well and still feel that deep connection with him, those times when you were close to being almost the same person, not two others.
You “feel insignificant… weak.. too weak because of him” in his presence and in the group. You wish “someone else had the guts to stand up to him and support me instead of silently supporting him”, support him in silencing you.
My closing thoughts for now: I believe that there is only one relationship that produces this intensity of betrayal that you feel, and that is the relationship of a child with a parent. The child’s connection to the parent is real, pure, honest, and complete, unconditional and uncompromising.
Oftentimes, the parent does not reciprocate and betrays the child. It is a heart breaking experience, one that many never overcome. What you experienced with this man, that connection, I believe, was similar to the connection you felt to a parent, minus the sexual element.
With him you re-experienced that very painful, yet common betrayal, that of a parent betraying his or her child.
anita
February 7, 2019 at 12:26 pm #279241BrandyParticipantHi Hella,
Well, to me, silencing someone by not acknowledging their emotions or reactions to what they do, i.e ghosting and gaslighting them, are ways to create a narrative as well. Silencing someone’s feelings gives you power over a narrative….I guess I wish someone else had the guts to stand up to him and support me instead of silently supporting him.
I agree with what you’re saying about narratives and I think I understand how you feel. This guy has a strong presence in this particular group (you say he owns it) so it’s no surprise that no one will stand up to him and support you. This is one of life’s tough lessons. Many (maybe most?) people won’t risk their positions in social circles in order to support those who may be on their way out. They’ll overlook what’s really happening in order to remain in good standing and not make waves. It’s terribly unfair and painful but it’s a very valuable thing to know.
I may be wrong but I don’t believe that sharing your feelings/frustrations with any of the members of this group will help your situation. I think it will only make things worse for you. It’s time to make a new set of friends and gradually walk away from this group. I’d continue to be pleasant to those who contact me, wouldn’t make my departure a big deal; I’d simply gradually stop showing up at things, as painful as it may be for you. I’d then work real hard at healing myself through acceptance, mindfulness, meditation, and by surrounding myself with people who sincerely care about me.
B
February 9, 2019 at 12:03 am #279385HellaParticipantHi Brandy,
Thanks for replying. One thing that I think I need to explain is that this friend group also has arms and legs and is more of a social circle of around maybe 100-200 people. It’s not that big of a city so it’s very easy for people to get acquainted through mutual friends, certain music events etc. He’s an uber social person in these specific contexts, so wherever I go there is someone that he knows. I just feel like it’s effed up (for a lack of a better word) that I should have to move to another city in order to feel secure and away from him, whilst he barely understands or reflects on the consequences of his actions. I mean this is what builds the rage in me. That I am moving away to avoid one person and all the people that I associate with him, and thereby also losing my priorities of what I want in life. I feel like these emotions have taken over every aspect of my life, even professional life. I don’t know how to trust my gut about anything anymore, and I feel lost about where I’m going. And I’ not getting any younger, so I just feel a stress building up all the time because I’m not moving on from the feelings I have in regards to what happened between him and I.
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