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  • #228889
    Jay
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    I’ve realised how overthinking has started to affect my relationships in general, and in particular this friend. When I overthink, I usually have negative thoughts and they are so vivid to the point I believe they are true. I told my friend about how they treated me differently compared to other people and I may of misread the situation.

    They have reassured me that they want to be my friends and that I shouldn’t think too much. I feel like expressing how I felt was a bad thing for our friendship, even though they say it was a good thing I told them. This friend is in a group that I am also in and so I don’t know if they know about our situation and if my friend has told anyone – as this will obviously look bad to the rest of the people. I feel like I’ve alienated my friend by not trusting him but I can’t help my negative thoughts.

    They told me on text that they want to be my friend and when I tried to talk to them in real life, they didn’t show up for some reason. Today we met and hung out. I’m not sure though if they are just being my friend out of guilt?

    What do I do? How do I stop overthinking and stop this fear, that if I don’t grab opportunities to make friends with people I’ll be alone or that I rely on people too much to be happy?

    Background:

    I’ve always been shy and quiet as a child and introverted. When I was young, I was forced apart from a relationship with my mother due to unforeseen circumstances and so that really caused a discrepancy in my emotional stability. I also never had a father figure to internalise from.

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    #229053
    Anonymous
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    Dear Jay:

    I would like to read and reply to your thread when I am back to the computer in about sixteen hours from now. I hope other members will reply to you before I am back.

    anita

    #229147
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I hear you, Jay—overthinking is putting a dent in your relationships. Even though your friend reassured you that he wants to be your friend and you both hung out recently, you can’t help thinking negatively, wondering if he’s your friend out of guilt and fearing loneliness. I’m sorry you’re going through all of this; it sounds like a huge weight on your shoulders.

    Firstly, you opened up to your friend and told him how you felt. It takes guts to be vulnerable and express your truth! You said that you may have misread the situation, but your friend made it clear that telling him was a good thing for your friendship. Would he say that if didn’t appreciate you, Jay? If you want to reassure yourself, casually mention the situation to your friend to make sure you’re both on the same page: “I didn’t mean to assume things about you the other day, sorry about that! Are we cool?”

    In your post, I also sense that you feel unworthy—unworthy of having a friend who appreciates your presence and a group of friends who accepts you despite your “defaults”. I’d suggest making a list of your positive qualities and reading it often to remind you of how amazing you are. You could even ask a close friend, “What do you like about me?”

    I’d also suggest contemplating this fear of being alone. Imagine what being alone would look like and allow all your thoughts and emotions to flow. If your emotions become unbearable, breathe deeply or journal. Oftentimes, we’re more afraid of the fear of being lonely than being lonely itself.

    You’re right, Jay, it isn’t healthy to depend too much on others for happiness. How about doing some activities that you enjoy alone and learning how to savor your own presence?

    #229157
    Anonymous
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    Dear Jay:

    When you use the pronoun they and them (“They have reassured me that they want… they say.. I told them”), do you mean he or she? I am not clear about the story. If you would  like, please rewrite your post using pronouns correctly, that is, if you are referring to a man, use he, if you are referring to a woman, use she and if you are referring to a few people, plural, state who those people are.

    You wrote: “I also never had a father figure to internalize from”-  I would like to read more about what you mean by this statement.

    anita

     

    #229255
    Jay
    Participant

    Hi Anita, they’re a he.

    What I mean when I say I never had a father figure. I mean it. My birth father died and my step father wasn’t around for most of my life. I didn’t know how to become a man like other boys did from their fathers and so I think this has factored in my low self-confidence.

    I’m not like other boys my age. I like to show and express my feelings and this has often left me anxious when I’m making friends with boys who are not like me I.e. they are more relaxed, like to joke about obscene things and other “manly-man” behaviours or activities. But I’m not fickle enough to let a difference in personality, their outward self affect how I see their true self. I would like to think people aren’t black and white. Even so, this has left me feeling worthless and very insecure and undeserving of friendships around people who I think are better than me.

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    #229261
    Jay
    Participant

    Thank you for your reply. Yes I think I’m starting to realise my negative thoughts is causing me to be delusional. Recently, I’ve been writing down texts which expressed how I feel and in the end, never sent them. I still felt liberated afterwards, so I may make a habit of making a journal of all the things I want to say but never sent – at least then, I can objectively examine my feelings with a clearer head afterwards. I can’t tell people everything that goes in my head.

    But yes, I do feel unworthy. Which is weird because all I want is to be able to feel worthy. So the trust flows both ways. I want to feel confident. I’ll take your advice and list my positive attributes. I’m going to this martial arts club and working on my physique. Hopefully this short term solution, becomes a long term one eventually.

     

     

    #229265
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jay:

    The problem I see in the situation you described with the friend and the group of friends is that you don’t know what is going on, is he really a friend or not, what he thinks of you, what they think of you, is what they say true or not, sort of being lost in the situation.

    Lost and confused, you overthink. Did I understand correctly?

    anita

     

    #229285
    Jay
    Participant

    Yes – except – I don’t overthink because I’m lost or confused. I just overthink in general.

    #229289
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jay:

    I need to get away from the computer for the next sixteen hours or so. If you would like to add any information that may be relevant or elaborate on any item that you mentioned, please do. When I am back to the computer I will re-read your posts and reply then best I can.

    anita

    #229389
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jay:

    You wrote: “this has left me feeling worthless and very insecure and undeserving of friendships around people who I think are better than me…I do feel unworthy… all I want is to be able to feel worthy”.

    The good news is that you are worthy. The bad news is that you don’t know that yet.

    Your friends, others, are not better than you. “they are more relaxed”, you wrote. That may be so, they are more relaxed, but they are not better than you.

    You are scared, that is why you overthink. Anxious people overthink. Anxious people are not relaxed either.

    You wrote: “When I was young, I was forced apart from a relationship with my mother due to unforeseen circumstances and so that really caused a discrepancy in my emotional stability”- notice the academic, mature-like, grown-up and educated way you expressed yourself here. The way a child would express what happened to him would be something like this: my mum left me! I am alone! I am scared, help me, someone help me!

    Would you like to share anything you remember or feel about this experience?

    anita

    #229419
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    You’re welcome, Jay. It’s a huge win to realize that your negative thoughts make you delusional. Now that you’re aware of this, you can do something about it—which I’m glad to hear that you already are! Writing down your emotions allows you to express them in a safe space and frees you from their weight. On top of that, you revisit your texts to evaluate them objectively, wow. This is an excellent way to figure out which thoughts are true and helpful and reduces overthinking. Keep it up!

    Listing your positive qualities (and reviewing them often) and going to a martial arts club will definitely steer you towards more self-confidence and feeling worthy in the long term. Also, be kind and gentle to yourself as much as possible. Resist the urge to act like others or to keep “friends” to avoid loneliness—focus on teasing out your unique personality, strengths and gifts, Jay. True friends accept you as you are.

    #229437
    Jay
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I would gladly. When I was maybe 3 or 4, I was separated from my mum because she had to travel abroad and I stayed with distant relatives. I was passed on from 1 relative to another. Honestly, I remember being a quiet kid which I accepted then, but from when I was separated from my family, not just my mum – my brothers, siblings etc. – I felt very alienated. I only mentioned being away from my mum at first, because your parents are apparently, the people who shape your life, their morals and views are passed onto you. In this period, I was scared and alone. I then moved again when I was 6 to a different country and I remember feeling left out. I made friends and I think I was okay, until I had an embarrassing incident which marked the rest of my school life (at about grade 4-5) which I was bullied for to the start of high school… perhaps this is why I’m very insecure. During this period, I also didn’t have a father and my step-dad wasn’t around much. I relied on my relationship with my mother. I felt different to other kids who had nuclear families.

    I’m sorry if I come across as a sob story, I just wanted to tell you my story and to hear your thoughts and from your experience what I can do to regain my self-confidence and to not just CARE?

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    #229551
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jay:

    Your story is not “a sob story”, it is a true story, a valuable story that matters no less than anybody else’s story. The sadness in your childhood, the hurt, the embarrassment you mentioned, these are not part of a sob story, but part of your valuable story.

    “alienated… scared and alone… left out… bullied.. different to other kids with nuclear families”, this  makes for a breeding ground for anxiety. It scares a child to be separated from his mother, to move from home to home, to feel alone, to be alone  and then to be shamed and bullied at school.

    A child needs to feel connected, comforted at home. It doesn’t have to be a two parent family (there is plenty of harm done to children by their fathers and mothers, in the context of a nuclear family, that is one with both parents). One parent who sees the child’s distress, who attends to the child with empathy and respect, comforts the child when he is scared, that is all a child needs, and that is what a lot of children don’t have, just that one parent, that one adult in their lives.

    Is there anyone in your life now who remotely comes close to what you needed then, someone who sees you when distressed, who attends to you with empathy and respect, who comforts you when you are scared?

    anita

    #230019
    Jay
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    No, I’ve always been alone when I think about it. Yet I am here, standing, breathing and alive. When I was younger, I was in a new country, different culture and I was very anxious to the point I wouldn’t talk to anyone and just sit by myself. I was so engrossed by the fear of being alone, I wouldn’t go to the canteen to eat – I didn’t want everyone to look at me. This has left me to resort to words, books and distracting myself with academia. I like knowledge.

    But my later childhood days, from what I can tell from pictures, was also one of my happiest…maybe because at this age you’re just yourself and you realise that you don’t care about what anyone thinks? As you grow up, you start to realise more about the world and things go from simple to very complicated. I also happened to experience as a teenager when social media was just something unheard of or not used much, to how it is today, and so it makes me kind of sad, how we can just go from a civilised generation to a much more materialistic generation.

    To tell you the truth, I just want that one person. An anchor. One that can keep me sane, that can understand the way I am and think nothing of it when I make a tiny blunder or do something really stupid. One that loves me for me. I have yet to find this person and I honestly don’t know if I will…

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    #230137
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jay:

    “I’ve always been alone when I think about it. Yet I am here, standing, breathing and alive”- a strong sentence. We survive a loveless life, stand, breathe.

    “But my later childhood days, from what I can tell from pictures, was also one of my happiest…. maybe because at this age…”- there is this force, a life force in us that doesn’t die easily. No matter the sadness and alone-ness at home, for a long, long time, a new morning still brings new hope, new energy, a desire to experience new things.

    “I just want that one person. An anchor… think nothing of it when I make a tiny blunder or do something really stupid. One that loves me for me”- I don’t see why this would be impossible.  When you meet a new person, or consider a new person to be that anchor, you will have to make sure, from the very beginning, that it is a person who is not inclined to be critical of others, making fun of others, but one who is tolerant of others’ differences.

    By anchor are you referring to a romantic love partner? And if so, what has your experience been in the area of dating/meeting potential romantic partners?

    “This has left me to resort to words, books and distracting myself with academia. I like knowledge”- and it shows in your posts. If you are looking for a romantic love partner, I have an idea or ideas based on this one sentence.

    I hope to read from you soon, the answer to me questions, if you want to answer. Otherwise, share anything else that matters to you.

    anita

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