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  • #108380
    Chelle
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    Not exactly know where to begin, but I’ve been very much a people pleasing person up until when I was 28 years old.
    And since then I’ve been more receptive and try hard to listen to what my heart says and follow it. It was hard at the beginning because when you buried your heart for that long, and suddenly getting good at listening it just doesn’t happen.

    So step by step it got better til now 5 years later, but then there are still moments where I still automatically use my old behaviour (listening to others’ need first) to deal with situations and things. And the thing right now is, the consequence of doing that, I feel that somehow life is coming back its way to bite me back in the ass – and raging at me for not listening to myself. Because now something I really want appeared and I didn’t wait out, I was too busy listening to other people’s needs, and not wanting to hurt people… And then I’d get into this loop of blaming myself for not listening well to what my heart says, and regrets. And now if I don’t fix it, it’ll keep coming back as life cycles, to warn me, I feel. I’m scared of it coming back to me.

    I do meditations so to help me listen well to my inner thoughts, but I feel that’s still not enough… SO at this crossroad I feel I don’t know how I should move, and which direction.

    #108383
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear chelly629:

    It seems to me that you did get clear about which direction to move, at about 28, moving away from being focused on others’ needs, wants and preferences to your own. Then you got discouraged because you didn’t make this change perfectly and the consequences of people pleasing just hit you in the present.

    Keep moving in the same direction regardless. These kind of changes cannot be made perfectly. The old behaviors are habits, established pathways in the brain. It takes time and practice to develop new pathways and weaken the old.

    Regarding the consequences: there will be good-for you consequences if you keep moving forward to operating from your needs and wants, and not others’. Nothing you can do about the consequences you already suffered but there is a lot you can do for future consequences that will benefit you.

    You are discouraged but you already started in the right direction.

    anita

    #108384
    Maria Mango
    Participant

    Hi Chelle!

    It’s really fantastic that you’ve made such a change from a people pleaser to someone who follows their own heart. I really admire that!

    You wrote that you need to “fix” your people pleasing behavior. First off, you do not need to fix anything, you are already perfect underneath all of the junk that the rest of the world has heaped on to you. Your true self is simply waiting to be revealed.

    Second, you have absolutely no control over the cycles of life so whether you “fix” yourself or not is irrelevant, what will happen will happen no matter what. Troubles and challenges will never stop coming your way, you cannot change that. What you can change is how you react to these challenges. Positive thinking and a commitment to inner growth will help you greatly. So, maybe you lost the thing you really wanted today but I have no doubt the situation will rise again in the future and that gives you some time to reflect on what lessons this current situation has taught you. If you do that instead of feeling ashamed and hopeless, you’ll find that when you are faced with the same crossroads again, you’ll be better able to handle it than you were the last time. Don’t fight the cycles of life, it is wasted energy that could be put to better use.

    So to sum that very long paragraph up: You want to know what direction to take at your crossroads? None. Sit down and listen very carefully to your heart, think back on what lessons you have learned, and be totally brutally honest with yourself about what you want ( that is the most important part!).

    You might find that the answer you are looking for is already there in your heart just waiting for you to ask a different question.

    Good luck,

    -M

    #108388
    Chelle
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thanks for replying and giving me such an insight. You are right about me feeling not perfecting the change. I do sometimes hope the new pathways can be built faster, so I make less “mistakes”? Yes I am trying to keep moving forward at this direction, it’s going to be tough when there’s conflict with the consequences I caused and what I want to do. And often at these times that I choose, my usual behaviour, to take care of other’s need first. SO I guess I just have to learn to deal with conflicts better.

    Thank you for your time!

    #108389
    Chelle
    Participant

    Hi Maria,

    Thank you!!! It’s been a tough road but it does get better and better.

    I seems to be getting better at connecting with my true self, for it to be revealed, just that at certain situations, I am still hiding it, ashamed of it? or maybe denying it.

    You are absolutely right about the only way to change is how I react to these challenges <— this is really something that I think I need to learn. I’ve been going back to my past and reading my diary so I can get a better idea of what problems i had and trying to see what sort of lessons that I’m suppose to learn here. Sometimes I find myself drilling into it so much that I wasn’t sure whether it’s my mind talking or my heart talking.

    Maybe a proper retreat will help me listen to my heart very carefully as you suggested. And yes!!!!! Being brutally honest with myself… this is hard, very hard. Cause this is also related to whether people will like me the way I am, and being vulnerable and accepting my weaknesses.

    Thank you for your insight Maria 🙂

    #108407
    Maria Mango
    Participant

    Hey Chelle,

    You are very welcome! A retreat sounds like a great idea for you to get away and get in touch with your inner self.

    Good luck to you and keep posting, you are definitely not alone in this!

    Cheers,

    -M

    #108409
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Chelle629:

    You are welcome. Maybe it will help you if you give the details of those consequences, some of the details anyway so to explore more of what you can learn from and how to move forward specifically. When you are personally involved in your situation- and you are, of course- the strong emotions create a fog in the air-of-thinking, a fog I may not have and therefore, I (and others) may be able to see clearly something that is blurred to you

    anita

    #108539
    Chelle
    Participant

    Hi Maria and Anita,

    I had a day retreat yesterday because it was my birthday. And I thought it would be a good thing to do for my birthday. I do feel more at peace with myself, helping me to re-evaluate things.

    Anita:
    One of the consequences is that I feel I jumped into my marriage too quickly. At that time I did have a hunch of making a second thought to this marriage thing, and from what I remember, at that time I felt that I should say yes because that guy (my husband now) previously had a rough time breaking up with his ex-fiance, and I didn’t want to break his heart again – like making him feel he can’t find love (old habits of thinking other people’s first). And when things go flowing and people swapping at you about weddings etc, I didn’t get the time to listen carefully to what my heart says, or so I believe.

    I don’t know whether this is a fog in the air or what it is – when now getting better at listening and being brutally honest with myself, I find myself not wanting a “normal life” – have a stable job, have kids, etc, And recently it dawned onto me that however much we try to understand and communicate with each other, something is just not right – I can’t explain – it’s a feeling I guess.

    Thanks for listening, it’s hard to write all these deep feelings down, maybe I’m just blinded, but I would really appreciate any insights from you (and others).

    #108597
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear chelle629:

    You mentioned being “brutally honest” with yourself twice. This is your quest, to see yourself as you are and to see others as they are and figure your way from there. Am I correct?

    You will surely need to be gentle with yourself on this quest because the truth is often unpleasant and often enough, painful. Yet being blind to the truth only protects our awareness of it. The truth is there nonetheless, exacting its price for ignoring it.

    We instinctively withdraw from pain and so, when the truth is painful, we withdraw from seeing it. You wrote: “however much we try to understand and communicate with each other, something is just not right – I can’t explain – it’s a feeling I guess.” I believe you are referring to your husband.

    “Something is just not right”- you know it but your awareness of what it is that is wrong, the awareness is limited. You “can’t explain” because your eyes, figuratively, are closed. You don’t want to see what is painful to see.

    What is painful to see, I don’t know. I would suggest the painful part is what you saw when you were a child- what made you close your eyes then. One of your parents was distressed and you believed then that it was your job to fix him or her. Your safety was dependent on that mission then.

    Your thoughts?

    anita

    #108632
    Chelle
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thanks for your reply!

    Yes to see myself as I am and to see others as they are, that’s what I meant by brutally honest with myself – but this is a never-ending process I find – the more you live, the more you know about yourself, and the more you need to change accordingly, if it’s to follow that quest.

    When you say “we instinctively withdraw from pain”, that’s so true. But then there are also times where I think that or I should think that “things will work out for its best” or “i’m just being negative”.

    What is painful to see – well, I love my husband and all that, but I feel there’s a connection missing. When I re-evaluate what love is and what I want for love (still not sure what the answer is really), I guess now I have a different viewpoint than before. I thought I wanted someone who just needs to understand me 70% and the rest I keep to myself, so to stay sane in a relationship, I won’t go crazy and lost myself in a relationship. I guess what’s painful to see is to end this.

    You mentioned about childhood – I really need to think hard about this. It’s a new thought I need some more time to investigate on. One of my parents was distressed you are right, but I am not sure whether I believed then that it was my job to fix her. Maybe in subconscious ways I did? She had a distressful childhood and so when I was a child, well, in my memory, she was quite pessimistic all the time.

    What do you think Anita?

    #108638
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear chelle629:

    Will read your post tomorrow morning with a refreshed brain. If you read this before I post again, can you tell me more about your relationships with your parents when you were a child, and now?

    anita

    #108650
    Chelle
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Sure – I was a really shy kid – whom tend to behave well and listen to my parents well. At 12 years old, my parents decided to put me in a boarding school in England which I refused to go, and I did escape the entry exam as a mean of voicing out that I don’t want to go. But it’s all for the best of me. I on the other hand went there feeling abandoned, during the teenage years I had several periods (at age 15 and 17 and 19) where I told my parents I wanted to return home (hong kong) but again, rejected (for better of me). So at that time I learned to be a people pleasing person to feel accepted and loved. Most of the time, I respect and follow what my parents want me to do.

    But then I went into depression 5 years ago and I went to see a therapist to seek help. It was then I had a proper talk, well big conflict discussion with my parents about how things were and how I felt etc. It was also then I started to listen more to my heart. Right now my parents and I are in good terms – we have our boundaries in things, they know mine and I know theirs, but I don’t feel connected to them other than that.

    #108671
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear chelle629:

    It is right there: “I don’t feel connected to them”- to your parents. This is your last line.

    Unfortunately, you were never connected to your parents. There was the strong need in you to be connected to them, unfortunately they did not make that connection possible.

    What you needed as a child was for your parents to allow that connection so that you could learn, for example, you lost a favorite toy. You look sad, you act sad, you cry. Then your parent notices you, hears your crying, sees the sadness and anger in your face and he or she sits down with you, calms you down, hushes you gently. The he or she says to you: You are sad. You lost your toy. You very much liked this toy and now it is gone. And you feel so sad.” And then the parent hugs you, comforts you.

    If something like that happened, you would have learned: oh, this is Sadness. I feel sad when I lose something important to me. And you learn that when you feel sad, you can be comforted. You learn it is okay to feel sad, and that sadness does not snowball into something terrible, too much to endure. There is that sadness and then there is comfort.

    When you don’t have at least one parent to do that and you lose your toy, feel sad, you don’t know what is happening: you make your own conclusions that fit your still forming brain, your age and lack of experience. You figure Sad is a terrible thing. It means there is something wrong with me. It is too much to endure. Etc.

    Just like you needed as a child to be taught words to fit objects: like this is a Table. This is a Chair. You also needed words for what you felt. Without those words and without empathy from a parent, you lived in a vacuum.

    So now you ask “how to listen to my heart”- the title of your thread. How to listen to a heart that grew up in a vacuum, disconnected?

    When you mentioned your marriage, you wrote “this marriage thing” and when you mentioned loving your husband, you wrote: “I love my husband and all that”- this indicates to me a separation, that vacuum I am referring to. Emotional experience/ relationships seem alien, a “thing” and “that”- removed from you.

    Back to your question, the title of your thread: you bring your heart to your experiences, to your interactions, closest to 100%, best you can (not 70%). You gently incorporate your heart and your rational parts, make connections between the two, pathways. Your marriage- discover what is in it, what it is. Approach it as if you see it, as if you experience it for the first time. Start from the beginning.

    Start from your heart and build from there instead of starting from the rational, the dry rational and getting lost in endless thinking and analyzing.

    Start as if you were a five year old.

    anita

    #108705
    Chelle
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    You are absolutely spot on with – “don’t know how to deal with sadness”. Sadness is a terrible thing for me, whether it’s the emotion in me or the emotion in others. I try so hard to numb “sorrow” inside me, and “save” others from being sad.

    And yes – you are also spot on on “emotional experience/relationship seem alien”. In general, I did have relationship issues with people, whether they are friends or love relationships. I had problems setting boundaries (like what sort of boundaries are for friendships, and what sort of boundaries are for love relationships, and how much should I open up to others), and from hearing from you, I think I still do. I still think I have issues or doubt on forming bonds with others, especially what type of bonds.

    “Bring my heart to my experiences, to my interactions, closest to 100%” I think that’s what I’ve been trying to do since 5 years ago. I guess the pathways between heart and rational part is still not strong enough, and not in every aspect of my life. I’m doing it well in career wise, but not in relationships.

    “start as if I was five years old” Would that be irresponsible? I mean – there are things that you can’t really act as a 5 year old?

    Michelle

    #108714
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Michelle:

    By “start as if I was five years old” I didn’t mean act like a child would: that would be irresponsible in professional settings and most social settings. What I meant is to look at things as if you are seeing them for the first time. The concept was introduced to me in psychotherapy as having a “beginner’s mind”-

    The things you were not taught- learn them now, from the beginning, abandoning many assumptions. For example, what you know about sadness. You learned that it is a terrible, terrible experience and needs to be avoided, maybe at any cost. Unlearn this, over time, and examine sadness with a Beginner’s Mind.

    How terrible is sadness? Did it kill you? Made you chronically ill or injured? Did you survive it? When you feel it, does it last forever or does it lessen with time.. is it a permanent thing or passing, like the weather? What to do when sad: obsess on finding a rational solution or switch away from thinking…?

    As far as relationships, how to do relationships, also: unlearn previous learning and examine from a Beginner’s Mind: what is happening? What am I feeing?

    Further therapy can help, one with a strong Mindfulness focus. Practice will help- you can learn only through practice, not through thinking alone. Got to have the practice to provide you the material to work with so to re-learn. (If you try to solve relationships issues without existing relationships/ interactions, you are still in that vacuum I referred to).

    anita

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