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  • #82107
    Brian
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    The title pretty much says it all. I have PTSD, depression, generalized anxiety disorder, and avoidant personality disorder. My formative years were formed by physical and emotional violence, and so I’ve carried around a lot of fear my entire life (I’m 39 now). I have no job, and I’m afraid of a lot of things. So I don’t consider myself terribly marketable (as much as I hate that word).

    I both want a girlfriend and am very afraid of the idea. Haven’t been in a serious per se relationship in 13 years. Dated a little bit, but still had the fear in my head. The thoughts that create the fear are pretty classic ones. They’re a bunch of “what ifs” that can spin around until I go insane. “What if she sees my stuff and runs away? What if we meet and she thinks I’m too fat? What if we hit it off and it crashes and burns and I get hospitalized because I can’t deal with it?” That kind of thing.

    Thing is, I think I have a lot to give. I’m very empathetic. Friends come to me for advice, since I often can see both sides to a situation and offer an honest take on it. I’m a guy who positively loves hugs, and I strongly believe in personality determining a large part of attraction.

    So, basically, I’m conflicted: I’m single and used to being single (though it can be quite lonely, and I don’t get certain needs met), yet I want someone wonderful in my life. But 1) I think I’m “broken”…who wants that? and 2) What would happen to my world if someone wonderful DID come along, my being so used to being alone?

    #82116
    Alex
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    You should keep in mind that these days almost everyone has some sort of diagnosis, whether it be physical or mental, that could get in the way of an ideal relationship, yet people find ways to work around it. I’ve had problems with generalized anxiety and depression myself and I personally am drawn to people, both romantically and for friendship who are sensitive, and consequently often deal with mental health problems as well. People who are sensitive and have dealt with these issues seem to be very understanding and kind when it comes to these issues and might know the best way to help because they’ve gone it themselves. It’s true for me at least; I can’t speak for you. This isn’t to say that you don’t need to have control over your mental health in the long term, because you do need to.

    You absolutely shouldn’t be afraid to try relationship if it’s within your reach. Well, I mean you will be afraid probably as that’s beyond your control, but it’s worth being brave and giving it a try. I’m in the process of getting over the end of my first relationship and even in the worst moments of pain and sorrow I don’t ever regret giving the relationship a try.

    It’s best not to define yourself with these labels if you can help it. To not let yourself get carried away with or convinced with thoughts like “I can’t do that because i’m depressed” or things of that nature. This is easier said than done, but if you can pull it off i’ve personally found it very helpful to try and unthink the things i’ve told myself I can’t do, even if only partially. I’ve been dealing with pretty severe fatigue, brain fog, and other symptoms for over a year now (finally getting to a root cause with my alternative medicine doctor, which seems to be related to my liver, so hopefully i’ll be on the upswing soon) and along the way I gave up doing a lot of things because I was convinced I couldn’t have enough concentration to read, or enough energy to exercise, or whatever, so I stopped doing them, or enough clarity to even hang out with friends. Only in the last month or so have I come to realize that while true, I may be to foggy to read much at all sometimes and even when i’m clearer I can’t read at a level i’d like to or remember it very well, it doesn’t mean that I can’t read. When I have enough clarity i’ll try to read sometimes, even if it means reading a book that’s at a middle school level and being okay with not remembering much. As for hanging out with friends, while it was hard, and I often wouldn’t remember more than 5% of what we could talk about the next day (unlike in the past when I could probably recall at least 75% of a conversation the next day), it didn’t mean that I couldn’t hang out with them, even if for a long time I told myself that I couldn’t. I recently made an effort to reach out to the friends I haven’t seen in a while and had a lot of fun with them and they can’t even tell that i’m dealing with any cognitive symptoms. Ultimately it boils down to try and work on the barriers that are truly within your control, and accept the ones that aren’t. It’s a concept that comes up time and time again on websites like this.

    It would be helpful if you could talk about not having a job if you’re comfortable (what are the barriers? have you had many jobs before? etc) as addressing that would be a great first step in the right direction.

    I hope you find this helpful. I’m new to giving advice.

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 8 months ago by Alex.
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    #82139
    Jodi
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    Congratualtions on being so open ans aware of your own stuff! (And btw, as Alex mentioned, we all have stuff!) You can absolutely have a healthy and successful relationship as long as you continue to work on yourself and are honest and up front about your limitations with whoever you date. Yes, you may have people who reject you for your diagnoses, but rejection is something we all face when dating. And with support from friends, family and professionals you can deal with any rejection as it comes.

    Remember that being open and honest is what most people are looking for and as long as you can do that and continue to actualize your own self, you are ahead of the game!

    Best of luck!
    ~Jodi

    #82150
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Brian:

    Those diagnoses (I have almost a dozen of those in my “resume”) are nothing but clusters of symptoms. What originated these symptoms is trauma, that is injury in your formative years. A serious injury and the hurt and fear are trapped in your brain, causing symptoms. The fear is fear and the hurt is hurt. The thing is that any decent, aware-enough person knows fear and knows hurt and can tell you about it. There is nothing that singles you out as … abnormal. Inside you fear and hurt like anyone else.

    It is your choice to seek a relationship or not but please base it on reality, not on the delusion that your diagnoses are anything more than a few clusters of symptoms meant for therapists to orient therapy with you, or for psychtiatirsts to prescribe drugs to you based on those diagnoses and for insurance companies to recored the correct diagnosis number on each billing item.

    anita

    #82179
    Brian
    Participant

    Alex,

    I too am drawn to others who have mental health conditions similar to mine. People who “get it” are really nice to have around: I can be of help to them, they can be of help to me. But yes, to an extent only; I can’t make someone quit drinking, for example. That has to come from the drinker.

    I rarely regret trying (positive) things that are out of my comfort zone. In fact, it is necessary for my treatment that I do such things on a regular basis. I’m very familiar with Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, and DBT skills have been very helpful. One of the parts about extreme emotion, when it’s not justified, is to act opposite to it. In other words, if I’m afraid of dating yet want to do it, I need to do it. I’ve had an almost complete dearth of positive feedback on dating websites. Admittedly, most people look at the pic(s) and judge based mostly on that. Given the format of dating websites, people are supposed to list age, sex, job etc. Since I don’t have a job, that’s another thing that can easily turn women off to the idea of a relationship.

    But, ideally, I’d like to meet in person. Maybe I can go back to the dating site and use that as a springboard to meeting in person. However, I think women see the lack of job and my being overweight (I don’t lie about such things :)), and they move on. If I were to meet a woman solely in person (say, by happenstance at a bar or something), they’d see me and see how I look, but they’d also notice my personality, and I think that’s the best part of me.

    DBT also helps with unwanted, obsessive thoughts. I work a lot to lessen them, though it doesn’t always work out like I want. I sort out what I can control and what I can’t, and the things I can have some level of control over (lessening the occurrence/impact of negative thoughts) I do all sorts of exercises for. The “what ifs”, I think, will always be with me. Logically see most of the “what ifs” as pre-judgments and probably not likely to happen at all; that doesn’t mean that my mind doesn’t believe the “what ifs”.

    Growing up in a household where I had to be hypervigilant and scan for threats, and protect myself by hiding from them, means that I spent my entire childhood “what iffing”. “What if Dad comes home and has a fight with my sister?” This particular “what if” actually happened many, many times. It was the norm rather than the exception. My worries about life at that time were justified, and I protected myself as best I could. Nowadays, I don’t need to protect myself like that, and yet I do anyway. Old coping mechanisms that don’t work for my life now. So I act opposite in a lot of ways, and I have success with that (particularly in the exercise realm), but the idea of relationships scares me though I want it so much.

    The work thing: last job I had was 7 years ago I think. Without going into lots of detail (this post is already very long as it is), I started to have panic symptoms because I wasn’t able to complete the work in a timely and accurate fashion. It was a flood of worry that felt like it it was blinding me. Indeed, I started to dissociate, and the world seems swimmy and dreamlike and ungrounded. Of note also is that prior to this job I would hold onto tons of resentment about every job I had before it. I despise authority figures (makes sense given the Dad stuff), and have told supervisors/managers to eff themselves at least twice.

    But, to distill, I’m afraid because I believe I’m not good enough for any job, because I loathe the meaningless (or so I perceived at the time), mindless nature of jobs I have experience with (retail), and I’m afraid I’ll become emotionally compromised and get mad and get fired again.

    #82180
    Brian
    Participant

    Jodi,

    Thank you for the response. I am indeed honest and up front. Though obviously I’m not going to go into a first (or second) date and say “Hi, my name is Brian, I have PTSD etc” ;). The first step for me would be to put myself in a position where I could meet people. That’s rather difficult for me, but as I explained in the response to Alex I need to act opposite to my unjustified fear.

    Anita,

    Inside I do hurt and fear like everyone else…just on a higher level than most of the population. Sometimes I think I’m alone in my struggle, but rationally I know I’m not. Once I get to know someone, I actually don’t have much problem discussing my stuff. I think I listed the diagnoses in order to state my “stuff” more succinctly. It’s the getting to know someone that is the issue. And also a conflict about what I really want. A good part of me wants to be alone…probably because it’s easier and comfortable. Another part of me wants the closeness that I’m really scared of.

    A real issue, at 39, is that very often I come across women who already have kids, who want kids, or want to get married. I want none of these things. It’s a bit discouraging on dating sites when I see someone who appears to be wonderful, but then has one or all of these listed.

    #82268
    jeena
    Participant

    Hi Brian

    We all have to take a risks in love. Others have mentioned already that we all have “issues”. What is needed is courage. Courage to risk losing. Courage to win. And to know that whether you win or lose in love, you will come out with more experience and knowledge of yourself and what you want. So in essence, you never lose. I don’t want to minimize that fact that you have probably more than your fair share of “issues” but there will always be somebody that can love you regardless. I think men tend to think more like this than women do. And I can tell you have a good personality. That is good to dwell on that! It’s your strength. And it’s good you know that. Good for you! You will be fine. Just keep trying.

    #82366
    Brian
    Participant

    Hey Jeena,

    Thanks for the praise :). That’s the thing: courage. A difficult thing for me, but a necessary thing. I did create another dating profile yesterday. First message I got was spam :P. *shrug* I can only keep trying I suppose. Although I’ve read in many places that, the moment you stop trying to find the relationship of your dreams, is when things happen in that area when you don’t expect them. So I dunno. I do know that I can’t stay in my apartment all the time–I know full well what that leads to: nothing.

    #82424
    jeena
    Participant

    You’re welcome, Brian! And good for you! That’s a step in the right direction. I deleted mine. haha Thanks for your help on my post too. 🙂

    #82517
    Brian
    Participant

    Haha yeah, dating sites can be a minefield…particularly free ones. And you’re welcome 🙂

    #82573
    Mike
    Participant

    Everyone has baggage as long as you aren’t trying to make yourself out to be what you are not like the perfect flaw free person and you aren’t trying to unload your baggage on someone else then you are fine.

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