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October 1, 2019 at 6:54 am #315323KyleeParticipant
Hello, I am back again lol.. I decided to make a thread rather than continue an old one.
I am truly struggling. I have not felt this way in such a long time and my heart and mind have such conflict. I feel confused, anxious, sad, angry, all the above. I am trying to sit with myself to see how I can control my thoughts and reactions or anything. But I always end up feeling wrong for how I feel or perceive things. I even started to see a therapist but I often find that all I do is let them know whats going on and Im not receiving tools to actually help me.
Anytime a relationship romantically comes into my life, I try so hard to be optimistic about it but often the thoughts of self doubt and doubt on others pops up. I find it hard to know if what i am feeling is reality or just me making it up because I feel insecure or unsure of things.
If you noticed from my last post, I was dating someone for a while and it felt like things were good for some time but red flags came up and what not and i started to feel so doubtful and it has been extremely hard to get over that,even if I talk to the person and they try to reassure me in some way.
The thing is, this person keeps coming back into my life and then hes not there anymore. I often will just not respond to him because I cant tell if its going to go anywhere based on things prior. I try to be clear as possible stating like this is what I need in the relationship and he said ok but then he doesnt really put fourth action. Or he does “sometimes” and the action is usually so minimal. But then i feel so guilty for thinking that or “crazy” because maybe Im not understanding his perspective or thats what he thinks. He keeps saying we are together and then he wont see or talk to me. And i said How am i supposed to trust and connect with you, if I hardly see or speak to you. I said how can i just be normal around you when u litterly said we were together and then didnt speak to me for weeks, and then when he talks to me he says why havent you talked to me??? and it makes me so frustrated and upset. I feel so so confused and hurt. Last night I got upset with him, firstly we went out to dinner, i was trying to just let us enjoy our time but then entire time i felt on verge of tears because I think like oh is this the last time ill see him for two weeks again.. or talk to him.. I didnt say that to him though. But then I asked to spend the night just to spend some time together and he said yes, so we get to his house…(keep in mind we havent spent much time together in the course of a few weeks.) and I saw an empty condemn box which triggered me so hard!! I got extremely upset and I said take me home this isnt going to work out. he simply said ok (he didnt know i saw the box) I asked him if he was seeing anyone else or messing around and he said no. I told him I didnt belive him but so badly I want to trust him and make this work. anyway then he said we werent together but wants to be but then last week he said we were together. So its just a lot of back an fourth and then I feel soooo bad and guilty for how i reacted and i feel like i just mess it all up.
This all leads to such obsessing thoughts on my end and its so hard to proceed forward with or without this person. I constantly feel like there is something wrong with me or that I cant handle a relationship or whatever fills my thoughts. I am noticing a tendency in myself that I just keep allowing these situations to happen to me because I want something to work out so bad even when its obviously not working. I have already tried to let go but then they come back and im back at square one.
I always try to fill my time with other things but I just cant stop thinking about the situation or what I could have done differently or what if I never spoke up maybe everything would be normal and fine. I just feel so upset and consumed and I wanna just block and delete him from everything and never look back but I also dont want to do that. I tried to do that and then i unblock him and I wanna see or talk to him but the situation keeps repeating itself and I keep blaming myself for it. I feel like Ill never have a healthy nice relationship because I just obsess or overthink everything. I just want a peace of mind and to feel whole and happy and when a reltionship does re enter or whatever that i can just trust the process and not be so doubtful.
Thanks everyone for listening I appreciate it, Its just so hard to over come things sometimes and i dont always know what else to do than to reach out to others for advice or help.
-Kylee
October 1, 2019 at 8:57 am #315347InkyParticipantHi Kylee,
It’s not you. You found an empty condom box. Clearly, it’s not you.
The boy is gaslighting you. That’s when his version of reality doesn’t match actual Reality. Then YOU think you’re the one who’s crazy. Clue Phone! He WANTS you to think you’re crazy!
What I, Inky, would do is to date other guys and not notify him. Then when (WHEN!) HE calls YOU and asks if you’re seeing anyone, or if you guys are in a relationship say, “Oh, sure babe!” and carry on being awesome.
Drop the Rope,
Inky
October 1, 2019 at 9:51 am #315363AnonymousGuestDear Kylee:
You wrote in this post Oct 2019: “I always end up feeling wrong for how I feel or perceive things… thoughts of self doubt and doubt on others pop up. I find it hard to know if what I am feeling is reality or just me making it up because I feel insecure or unsure of things”-
– in other words, when you are in a relationship with a man, you don’t know what is happening. You think this or that may be happening, but then you doubt your perception of reality, thinking maybe you are wrong, maybe what you thought was happening is not happening.
This is congruent with what you shared in previous threads, as long back as September 2017 regarding a previous relationship: “In this relationship that just ended, its really hard for me to identify at times whether its me being anxious or if the person is just not doing that much… I know that I need to try and learn better how to identify what I’m thinking and feeling vs what is actually happening.
Same problem two years apart (see what I italicized). We discussed very little your father coming in and out of your life whenever he pleased. We didn’t talk at all about your relationship with your mother. If you want to (for the purpose of uncovering the origin of your lack of trust in your perception of reality), we can do that, starting with my question: did your mother explain to you the behavior by your father, and if so, what did she say to explain to you why he was in and out of your life as he pleased?
If you don’t want to discuss the above, or in addition to it, let’s look at a behavior or an observation you made most recently (this thread), the perception of reality you had based on that observation and then your doubt: “we get to his house.. I saw an empty condom box”- your perception was that he recently had sex with another woman or other women. Because of that perception, you were “triggered.. so hard!!. got extremely upset” and told him to take you home. But before he did, you “asked him if he was seeing any0ne else or messing around and he said no”.
Question: did you ask him about the empty box of condom and what do you think it means, at this point in time?
anita
October 1, 2019 at 10:36 am #315379KyleeParticipantThanks Inky and Anita.
Well yes as you can see there is a pattern in how i perceive or handle relationships. Its extremely stressful and upsetting to me. I feel so alone and sad because of it and have so much anxiety. I just dont even know how to be myself right now.
My mother doesnt really talk about my dad but from the past she said he does having drinking problems and i remember this and im fully aware that he does have this issue. I know my father not being in my life or coming and going does relate deep down to maybe why im so anxious in a relationship or tolerate things that dont serve me. Yet i dont know why im drawn to keep attracting those these types of relationships. Recently, I decided to go find my dad at his job. I was successful in this and we did have a talk but he doesnt actually talk to me about why he left and this and that. I thought maybe if I try one more time that it would make a difference in how I felt, but it really didnt. It was nice to see him but i already know my relationship with my father will not be more than it is now and it does make me sad but it feels that there isnt much I can do.
Also my mother and me having a pretty good relationship, other than the fact that she doesnt really like to ever hear about my problems with relationships. She doesnt think my dad is related to my problems. I really care about my mom and we have a much better relationship than we did when i was younger. When i was younger we argued a lot and i didnt really listen to her. But since i have grown up and been living on my own our relationship has gotten a lot stronger.
As far as the condemn box i didnt bring it up.. I just asked about other girls and he said no. Because what if it was from us in the past but then its like there is no way that would just be sitting there empty from a month or two ago… It just seems so weird idk. It messes with my head. If he is in fact having sex with other people I cannot be with him, whether he admits to it or not. Its too painful and makes me feel so low about myself. He said that we arent together so we can do what we want but then he says we are together and we need to build our reltionship back up after these issues basically. But i asked him how are we supposed to build it back up if we dont discuss things or spend enough time together? He says things should naturally just happen. Which makes me so frustrated when he says that because it seems so passive. Idk.
October 1, 2019 at 11:02 am #315389ValoraParticipantHi Kylee,
First, I think what you’re feeling is normal, and I think it’s something that will go away with time so you just have to be patient with yourself and by the sounds of things, it’s smart to distance yourself from this guy and keep him at a distance.
I often will just not respond to him because I cant tell if its going to go anywhere based on things prior. I try to be clear as possible stating like this is what I need in the relationship and he said ok but then he doesnt really put fourth action. Or he does “sometimes” and the action is usually so minimal. But then i feel so guilty for thinking that or “crazy” because maybe Im not understanding his perspective or thats what he thinks. He keeps saying we are together and then he wont see or talk to me.
You are doing the right thing by not responding to him. His actions aren’t lining up with his words, so he’s not a good person for you to have in your life, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with you realizing that and deciding to not respond, no matter what his perspective is. Think of it as a healthy boundary. You want people to mean what they say and do what they say they’re going to do, right? So it makes sense that someone who does the opposite should not be allowed into your life.
I saw an empty condemn box which triggered me so hard!! I got extremely upset and I said take me home this isnt going to work out. he simply said ok (he didnt know i saw the box) I asked him if he was seeing anyone else or messing around and he said no. I told him I didnt belive him but so badly I want to trust him and make this work. anyway then he said we werent together but wants to be but then last week he said we were together. So its just a lot of back an fourth and then I feel soooo bad and guilty for how i reacted and i feel like i just mess it all up.
Trust your instincts here. An empty condom box? You reacted exactly how you should in that instance. You aren’t the one messing this up. Do you feel like you deserve better than the treatment this guy is giving you? This guy is showing you who he is. If you don’t like how he’s acting or how he treats you, it’s definitely time to let him go because his behavior isn’t changing, and I wouldn’t expect it to change for the foreseeable future (because he doesn’t see an issue with how he’s treating you so he’s not going to change it), no matter how badly you wish it would.
This all leads to such obsessing thoughts on my end and its so hard to proceed forward with or without this person. I constantly feel like there is something wrong with me or that I cant handle a relationship or whatever fills my thoughts. I am noticing a tendency in myself that I just keep allowing these situations to happen to me because I want something to work out so bad even when its obviously not working. I have already tried to let go but then they come back and im back at square one.
First thing to do is detach from this guy. His behavior is him and who he is as a person, not anything you’re doing or not doing. This isn’t you. But you may want to take some time to try to dive into why you’re attracted to guys like this or why you’re allowing yourself to put up with this behavior and why you continue to go back to it when he keeps doing it. Once you figure that out and change whatever belief you have there, you will attract better guys and won’t settle for less than the treatment you know you deserve. Even if that means you have to be single for a long time.
I always try to fill my time with other things but I just cant stop thinking about the situation or what I could have done differently or what if I never spoke up maybe everything would be normal and fine. I just feel so upset and consumed and I wanna just block and delete him from everything and never look back but I also dont want to do that.
What is the longest length of time that you have blocked him/stopped talking to him for? You’re on the right track with that but it takes time to detach from someone. It’s like an addiction…. you’re going to have cravings but you have to ignore them and work hard to not give in until you don’t have them anymore.
I feel like Ill never have a healthy nice relationship because I just obsess or overthink everything. I just want a peace of mind and to feel whole and happy and when a reltionship does re enter or whatever that i can just trust the process and not be so doubtful.
Overthinking is something you can work on and improve. I’ve had to do this too because I used to be the same way. Spend some time reading about mindfulness, redirecting thoughts to the present, tools to fix thought errors. Read as much as you can on those things until you find some things that really click with you and help you to be able to change that behavior. It can absolutely be done. And you can get yourself to a point where you are happy and whole without a relationship and that’s exactly when you end up with a good guy because you won’t stand for anything less than that because you know you’ll be happy without a guy too.
October 1, 2019 at 12:09 pm #315409AnonymousGuestDear Kylee:
Regarding the empty condom box, you wrote: “what if it was from us in the past but then its like there is no way that would just be sitting there empty from a month or two ago”-
– depends on the context, the bigger picture: is his apartment is orderly, particularly if his bathroom is orderly, no empty toothpaste tubes lying around, no dirty laundry on the floor, everything is at its place, and there is that empty box of condoms- then it is not reasonable to think that he managed to throw away everything that is not in use anymore, but he neglected to throw away just this item: an empty box of condoms, and he neglected to do so for two whole months .
On the other hand, if there is a whole lot of items from long ago laying around, than it is reasonable to think that the empty box of condoms is or can be rom two months before.
Let’s look at the issue of whether you and him are together: “he says we are together and need to build our relationship back up”- look at the bigger context, or the bigger picture, bigger than the words he tells you. If he tells you this and then does not contact you for weeks, well, in the bigger picture or reality, the two of you are not together.
Does this make sense to you?
anita
October 1, 2019 at 1:45 pm #315437KyleeParticipantHi Valora and Anita,
The longest I did not talk to him was about 2-3 weeks. He usually comes back saying he misses me and thinks about me and wants to be with me. But I cant just be with him, like he said we need to build the relationship back up but i cant build it back up when I hardly see him or think that he is just not going to talk to me again. Its a cycle.
I know that we are not truly together even if he says we are and then says we arent. I know that but it messes with me because its back and fourth. If in the process of us trying to build back up a relationship and hes seeing other people. I cannot be with him at all in anyway shape or form.
So his room is pretty messy and unorganized that is what leads me to believe it could have been from us but what also makes me doubt if thats true is… I remember weeks ago when i was over that I did see a box with like 3 condemns in it..now I see the empty box.
The thing is too is that the only reason we weren’t really speaking over those weeks is because I decided to not respond to him because he kept blowing off our plans or not taking the time to truly sit and talk with me. And it always appeared to be at his convenience when we would talk or see one another. ( I even expressed this to him.) And when I did try to get him to talk to me he is always all over the place hes like yes I wanna be with you but then hes like we need to let things flow naturally. He always says that and im like we have been seeing each other for a few months now, usually someone knows if they want to be with someone. Therefore I ended it with him and then he comes back and then its the same exact cycle. It just makes me feel like I am waiting around or waiting for him to text or call me or come see me. It feels that way even if thats not his intent. I explained this to him and he tells me not to worry and whatever but it stresses me out because I cant tell if he actually wants to be together or not. Its so all over the place and i have tried to be so clear with him. I dont even no what to say to him at this point. I know he wants to go about it normally and act like everything is good. But thats hard for me to do when Im questioning constantly if he is either committing to me or not.
Last night for instance when he took me home when i asked him too, i felt so horrible about it all thinking im just “crazy” for thinking anything because he told me thats how I was acting. I then blocked him and unblocked him because I just kept feeling so many emotions! He texted me today and called me and asked if I blocked him because he tried to text me at one point. I told him no because I didnt wanna stir any more issues. He then texted me saying his text are going through now and i Just said ok and he said yeah strange..so I think he knows..but I let it go and didnt say anything else. Its hard for me to speak with him as if everything is happy go lucky, its hard to spend time with him now after all of this because i lack the trust of knowing about other girls or knowing where he wants to go with this.
I hope that makes sense? I am just so hurt and exhausted from all of this, I dont really know what to say or think.
Thank you
October 1, 2019 at 1:47 pm #315439KyleeParticipantIt just feels like he wants me there but then he doesnt want to take the time to fully commit.
October 1, 2019 at 2:02 pm #315441AnonymousGuestDear Kylee:
You are welcome. Well, I am back to suggesting to you what I suggested in your previous thread (you didn’t reply there to my suggestion). Restated here: remove the sexual element from the relationship and see what happens. Tell him that you want to date him, meet him for the movies, or a restaurant or a walk in a park, a hike or whatnot, only not in his place and not in your place, not anywhere were sex can take place.
The purpose of this would be to encourage what you need from him: talking, communicating, making things clear between the two of you.
You will also find out this way if his interest in you is strictly sexual.
anita
October 1, 2019 at 5:51 pm #315461KyleeParticipantHi Anita,
Well I dont think sex is what he wants from me actually. He tells me he doesnt want to have sex right now because he doesnt want me to think hes just using me for that. Then that makes me think he is having sex with other girls and doesnt want anything with me in that way I guess. Its just really hard to trust the process because I am scared to put fourth the effort yet again and it turn into the same thing or that he will never want to go further & ill be here sad for wasting my time. This situation just seems so drawn out and everytime he texts me I am nervous to even respond because I dont know what to expect out of this situation. If i find out he is with another girl I will be so so hurt. I just dont know how to let go and trust the process. I feel so consumed and its hard to eat right now or sleep with my anxiety so high. I wish I didnt let this affect me to deeply, I over think every scenario with him.
Thank you
Kylee
October 2, 2019 at 8:34 am #315555AnonymousGuestDear Kylee:
You wrote in your original post: “maybe I’m not understanding his perspective or .. what he thinks”. In your recent post you wrote, “he doesn’t want to have sex right now because he doesn’t want me to think he’s just using me for that”.
Questions:
1. Do you have any idea at all about “his perspective” and what “he thinks”?
2. When you do get together with him, do the two of you have sex each time; did he have sex with you at any time after telling you that he doesn’t want to?
-if he does, how does it come about that he has sex with you even though he doesn’t want to- do you ask him to have sex with you (“I asked to spend the night”, original post)?
anita
October 2, 2019 at 8:40 pm #315677KyleeParticipantHi Anita,
1. Yes I think so.. He said he feels like he has shield up when it comes to taking the next step in a relationship. But sometimes to me that seems like an excuse because someone doesnt want to commit or something.. I try not to doubt things but its so hard.
2. Not everytime we had sex together. Recently he hasnt tried which makes me thinks another girl is involved. But tonight we hung out again and we actually had a nice conversation about our perspectives and it helped alot but the condemn thing was eating me up!! So after I left him I called him and I said I dont mean to keep bringing things up but I saw a condemn wrapper on your floor and it upset me because I dont know what to think. He said No Kylee that was from a while ago I legit havent cleaned my room in so long, i said I know you havent but like it just seems weird I dont feel like u want me to sleep over or have sex with me now. He said that isnt true and he thinks because of a prior incident I have this distorted perception of him and how he is unfaithful. I said well I dont mean to upset you I just think that I rather bring it up than hold it in. He said Im not upset with you im just annoyed that I need to explain myself when you should just believe me.
We then got off the phone and he said have a goodnight and ill talk to you tomorrow, I said okay goodnight. But then i texted him because I felt so guilty and I said thank you for talking to me, goodnight. … Whenever I express myself like that I get so insecure like what Im saying is unreasonable. He told me that its crazy how i am thinking. Because each time we have hung out recently things come up. But i feel like I just need to talk about it and it feels like a cycle and then i think omg i ruined it cuz i talked about things and now he is gonna be fed up with me and not want to talk to me or be with me..
Also I dont ask him to have sex with me the times that we have were naturally that way.
I just feel so crappy about myself for doubting him but then again I have had reasons too. But I dont want to hold it against him. I want to be able to let go and move forward and be happy but sometimes its so difficult because I overthink so deeply. He knows I do this too. Like after our long talk then i called him to bring that up so i feel like i push him away.
Its just so confusing and gives me so much anxiety because Im like well now he prob wont even talk to me because I questioned him…
-Thank you, Kylee
October 3, 2019 at 9:29 am #315799AnonymousGuestDear Kylee:
You are welcome. I think you are too scared to say the wrong thing, too scared to lose him. You are not calm enough to look at the situation as it is. If fear is like fog in your vision, what you see/hear is a collection of small parts of the big picture (a condom box, a messy room, the words he says), but you don’t connect those parts and see the whole picture.
Too much fog/ fear.
I can help you see the whole picture, if you want. Here is my suggestion: make a record of all interactions between you and him from the latest: time and place you met or communicated and a shot summary of what was said and what was discussed (if anything) about the next meeting/ communication.
And keep the record going, every communication, every meeting, a sort of journal, and post it here. I will then give you my input.
anita
October 6, 2019 at 7:53 am #316309KyleeParticipantHi Anita,
I agree I do get scared to speak up sometimes but I usually push myself to do it anyway. At times I feel maybe I come off intense because i am really direct but I feel like I should be right? I always try to be respectful as I do so.
This whole situation brings me a lot of sadness and pain. I dont even feel happy about it anymore. I want to trust him and trust the process by letting go and I am trying to do so. I guess what I feel is that he doesnt want to spend quality time with me, he says he does but usually when we go out its at the bar and he seems to be on his phone alot. I mentioned this before, I try not to let it bother me because I feel that is such a common thing people do these days anyway.
He used to go out of his way for me and it made me feel so happy and appreciated. But once the topic of commitment came up he just withdrew alot. Id leave and he would come back and say he wanted to be with me but then he puts the most minimal effort. ( I feel selfish saying that because I dont want to put him down or overlook good things in him.) Sometimes he will text me in the morning or at night but its scattered. And sometimes he wont talk to me all day or ask me anything. It just feels at his convenience and I explained this to him but he doesn’t agree. I know I could probably reach out and talk to him but I feel like i Have done that so much and not much has changed & now i just have anxiety about talking to him becuase I never know what the next thing is with him.
Ultimately, I think he just doesnt want a commitment. Other wise he would commit to me right? Part of me just feels like I am being played. Like he likes that Im there and will hang with him when he can or talk to him whenever but the small things I want like just laying down and spending time together or watching a movie, he never wants to do.
Last night he called me after hardly talking to me the last few days. He said asked what I was up too and I said i just got home from hanging with friends. He said oh i wish I new because I am on my way to pick up my car, I had to get a cab but I would have asked you. He said Well once I get it do you want to hang out for a little bit? I said No i have plans tonight. and he asked about my day but I honestly kept it very brief and short because I feel he doesnt really care or listen anyway. For ex: he new i had an important interview other day and he didnt even ask me how it went. In fact he didnt talk to me at all that day I had it. I get it, we are all busy and sometimes we want to just be alone but it just makes me sad. anyway I got off phone with him really quick, usually I always say yes to plans with him but for once I didnt.
I hate feeling so skeptical and unsure of this relationship. I need something more committed and consistent. This just feels so hard for me. I keep blaming myself for how things are between us.
Thank you,
Kylee
October 6, 2019 at 7:54 am #316311KyleeParticipantI do feel like I am not fully seeing things as clearly as I could. From outside perspectives my close friends tell me that he doesnt care or that he is just keeping me on the line. But i guess I just dont want to believe that..
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